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The Ten commandments,...do they opress freedom or safegard it?

 
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TPTB have used the Commandments to enslave us - they make it so that we break every single one of them.

If we actually lived by the Commandments, we would be free.
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The 10 commandments are really about how to treat each other
Suppose you were starting a new society of people - what rules would make up as basic rules for them to live by in a group? Would you make up rules or just have rule by jungle?
I think people would like other people to live by rules but they don't want their desires infringed upon - which sounds like most children I know.
How would you model a starting over group?
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The 10 commandments are really about how to treat each other
Suppose you were starting a new society of people - what rules would make up as basic rules for them to live by in a group? Would you make up rules or just have rule by jungle?
I think people would like other people to live by rules but they don't want their desires infringed upon - which sounds like most children I know.
How would you model a starting over group?
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Like this;
"After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength [be] to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
13 And in response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” Rv7:9
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TPTB have used the Commandments to enslave us - they make it so that we break every single one of them.

If we actually lived by the Commandments, we would be free.
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Who do you mean by TPTB?
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Wouldn't it be great if only everybody else had to keep the code.... but not self?
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Is murdering of other human beings a right for some, I tell you women and muslims believe it is. Is it oppression, to force them to stop murdering other humans?
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TPTB have used the Commandments to enslave us - they make it so that we break every single one of them.

If we actually lived by the Commandments, we would be free.
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Who do you mean by TPTB?
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You know, the boogy men, dark secret forces, who everyone blames for everything.
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Definitely a protection for us and a guide on how to live properly.

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the ten commandments are split in two parts
it is basic logic to see
which pertain to religious worship - these opress freedom
and which pertain to Universal Human Rights (you shall not kill etc.) - these safeguard freedom

guess what the mix does :)
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the ten commandments are split in two parts
it is basic logic to see
which pertain to religious worship - these opress freedom
and which pertain to Universal Human Rights (you shall not kill etc.) - these safeguard freedom

guess what the mix does :)
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The mix protects those who apply it from socially destructive entrapment by Satan, and the rival godship he established in Eden;
" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols." 1Jo5:18
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The mix protects those who apply it from socially destructive entrapment by Satan, and the rival godship he established in Eden;
" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols." 1Jo5:18
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True.
And as long One knows which is the True God referred in the spirit there, it is a great safe-guard.
But at those times there were Men of God which guided and showed to the people what the One True God means.
They were Living Examples of what it means to follow the One True God.

TOday is a little more complicated. For only the text of a book is not enough to show the way.
And precisely because of this the rival godship can lead many astray by impersonating the 'one true god' in the letter of the law, but never in Its Spirit.

And if one learns to see the Spirit in things, behind the letter, then one shall know the One True GOd
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Very simple: The 10 commandments are a great guide for life. We as a species are prone to mistakes, failures and violence through are tough processes.
Whether a person believes in God or not it is there choice, with that being said, as humans we should not group people nor prematurely judge people by looks, race or their life choices.
If we all treated each other as we would like to be treated we would not be were the world is today.
Tolerance and acceptance vs judgement and hate.
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The mix protects those who apply it from socially destructive entrapment by Satan, and the rival godship he established in Eden;
" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols." 1Jo5:18
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True.
And as long One knows which is the True God referred in the spirit there, it is a great safe-guard.
But at those times there were Men of God which guided and showed to the people what the One True God means.
They were Living Examples of what it means to follow the One True God.

TOday is a little more complicated. For only the text of a book is not enough to show the way.
And precisely because of this the rival godship can lead many astray by impersonating the 'one true god' in the letter of the law, but never in Its Spirit.

And if one learns to see the Spirit in things, behind the letter, then one shall know the One True GOd
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Only one has spoken to all mankind, identifying himself as creator, providing our history back to the beginning, revealing the cause of our failure to achieve global Eden, his requirements of all who he invites to a second chance, and the final outcome. No other 'god', meaning demonic rivals offer anything;
"YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
12 “I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among YOU no strange [god]. So YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I am God. 13 Also, all the time I am the same One; and there is no one effecting deliverance out of my own hand." Isa43;10
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The 10 Commandments are a stop gap from the law that existed before them and will exist again after the 1,000 year reign begins. The people will be under the law given in Re:21, one that is applicable to an immortal and sinless people.

They did give Jesus a standard to go by (as well as the 600 other laws) so the cross was a death of a sinless man.

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Safeguard,, Living by Gods law is a choice and a way of life. Laws were written in such away to bring us through generations of life under Gods laws. Our exsistance, depends in them.
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Only one has spoken to all mankind, identifying himself as creator, providing our history back to the beginning, revealing the cause of our failure to achieve global Eden, his requirements of all who he invites to a second chance, and the final outcome. No other 'god', meaning demonic rivals offer anything;
"YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
12 “I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among YOU no strange [god]. So YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I am God. 13 Also, all the time I am the same One; and there is no one effecting deliverance out of my own hand." Isa43;10
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and you base this on what exactly?
many has spoken to mankind
and many still do
obama when he received the nobel for peace addressed de facto all humankind

and as the Original Creator has his ways to address mankind
so has the rival godhead.
look around to how the world is now
and you know very well which voice whispers stronger in the minds and hearts of most humans

and you will gonna tell me that you Know to make the difference between the One which IS True, and the one which only pretends to be, but is not

by blindly following the letter of the book?
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Common sense/sage advice. The path to living a full life.

Take Zimmerman for example... thou shall not kill.... justified or not Zimmerman is going through hell right now. If he just would have shot Travon in the dick or something his situation wouldnt be as bad.
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Only one has spoken to all mankind, identifying himself as creator, providing our history back to the beginning, revealing the cause of our failure to achieve global Eden, his requirements of all who he invites to a second chance, and the final outcome. No other 'god', meaning demonic rivals offer anything;
"YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
12 “I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among YOU no strange [god]. So YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I am God. 13 Also, all the time I am the same One; and there is no one effecting deliverance out of my own hand." Isa43;10
 Quoting: DGN


and you base this on what exactly?
many has spoken to mankind
and many still do
obama when he received the nobel for peace addressed de facto all humankind

and as the Original Creator has his ways to address mankind
so has the rival godhead.
look around to how the world is now
and you know very well which voice whispers stronger in the minds and hearts of most humans

and you will gonna tell me that you Know to make the difference between the One which IS True, and the one which only pretends to be, but is not

by blindly following the letter of the book?
 Quoting: andreidita


No, by the unity of Jehovah's international spiritual nation which has already overcome the political/religious/racial rivalries that become the death stroke of this feuding world;
"After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength [be] to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
13 And in response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” "Rv7:9
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Only one has spoken to all mankind, identifying himself as creator, providing our history back to the beginning, revealing the cause of our failure to achieve global Eden, his requirements of all who he invites to a second chance, and the final outcome. No other 'god', meaning demonic rivals offer anything;
"YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
12 “I myself have told forth and have saved and have caused [it] to be heard, when there was among YOU no strange [god]. So YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I am God. 13 Also, all the time I am the same One; and there is no one effecting deliverance out of my own hand." Isa43;10
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and you base this on what exactly?
many has spoken to mankind
and many still do
obama when he received the nobel for peace addressed de facto all humankind

and as the Original Creator has his ways to address mankind
so has the rival godhead.
look around to how the world is now
and you know very well which voice whispers stronger in the minds and hearts of most humans

and you will gonna tell me that you Know to make the difference between the One which IS True, and the one which only pretends to be, but is not

by blindly following the letter of the book?
 Quoting: andreidita


No, by the unity of Jehovah's international spiritual nation which has already overcome the political/religious/racial rivalries that become the death stroke of this feuding world;
"After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength [be] to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
13 And in response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.” "Rv7:9
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