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'One of the only well preserved dinosaur skin samples ever found is being tested at the Canadian Light Source (CLS) synchrotron to determine skin colour and to explain why the fossilized specimen remained intact after 70-million years.

University of Regina physicist Mauricio Barbi said the hadrosaur, a duck-billed dinosaur from the Late Cretaceous period (100-65 million years ago), was found close to a river bed near Grand Prairie, Alberta.

The area has a robust “bone bed” but Barbi is not yet sure why the fossil preserved so well.

“As we excavated the fossil, I thought that we were looking at a skin impression. Then I noticed a piece came off and I realized this is not ordinary – this is real skin. Everyone involved with the excavation was incredibly excited and we started discussing research projects right away.”

Barbi said this is only the third three-dimensional dinosaur skin specimen ever found worldwide.'
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... and ... how OLD is that skin? ...
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That is tough to tell from radiometric dating and the inherent assumptions involved with each method. If they were to do a C14 test using a AMS (Accelerated Mass Spectrometer) then some people may be surprised.
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As a Young Earth Creationism advocate, I question the veracity of this discovery. I feel the scientific community and evolution agenda planted this to discredit people of faith and piety. Their punishment will be swift and severe when Judgment comes.
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dinosaurs are a hoax, only gullible sheep believe in that shit.
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As a Young Earth Creationism advocate, I question the veracity of this discovery. I feel the scientific community and evolution agenda planted this to discredit people of faith and piety. Their punishment will be swift and severe when Judgment comes.
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You should not look at what the people are saying, rather the results of the find. Dinosaur skin = young earth, my friend.
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'It was big news indeed last year when Schweitzer announced she had discovered blood vessels and structures that looked like whole cells inside that T. rex bone—the first observation of its kind. The finding amazed colleagues, who had never imagined that even a trace of still-soft dinosaur tissue could survive. After all, as any textbook will tell you, when an animal dies, soft tissues such as blood vessels, muscle and skin decay and disappear over time, while hard tissues like bone may gradually acquire minerals from the environment and become fossils.'
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As a Young Earth Creationism advocate, I question the veracity of this discovery. I feel the scientific community and evolution agenda planted this to discredit people of faith and piety. Their punishment will be swift and severe when Judgment comes.
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There is no way earth is 'young.'

Easily discreditable.
Truth is hard to come by...
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As a Young Earth Creationism advocate, I question the veracity of this discovery. I feel the scientific community and evolution agenda planted this to discredit people of faith and piety. Their punishment will be swift and severe when Judgment comes.
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There is no way earth is 'young.'

Easily discreditable.
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We are waiting.
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As a Young Earth Creationism advocate, I question the veracity of this discovery. I feel the scientific community and evolution agenda planted this to discredit people of faith and piety. Their punishment will be swift and severe when Judgment comes.
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There is no way earth is 'young.'

Easily discreditable.
 Quoting: Jon


We are waiting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863


I will, just give me earth's age and your reason for believing it. I will debunk that accordingly.
Truth is hard to come by...
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Bear with this cite please, the references are not biased as you may think the website is.

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'Geophysicist Dr John Baumgardner, part of the RATE research group,6 investigated 14C in a number of diamonds.7 There should be no 14C at all if they really were over a billion years old, yet the radiocarbon lab reported that there was over 10 times the detection limit. Thus they had a radiocarbon ‘age’ far less than a million years! Dr Baumgardner repeated this with six more alluvial diamonds from Namibia, and these had even more radiocarbon.

The presence of radiocarbon in these diamonds where there should be none is thus sparkling evidence for a ‘young’ world, as the Bible records.'
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As a Young Earth Creationism advocate, I question the veracity of this discovery. I feel the scientific community and evolution agenda planted this to discredit people of faith and piety. Their punishment will be swift and severe when Judgment comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41811048


There is no way earth is 'young.'

Easily discreditable.
 Quoting: Jon


We are waiting.
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I will, just give me earth's age and your reason for believing it. I will debunk that accordingly.
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The burden of proof is on you and other evolutionists whose ideas are tax-supported in public schools.
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There is no way earth is 'young.'

Easily discreditable.
 Quoting: Jon


We are waiting.
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I will, just give me earth's age and your reason for believing it. I will debunk that accordingly.
 Quoting: Jon


The burden of proof is on you and other evolutionists whose ideas are tax-supported in public schools.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863


According to the bible, there were six days of creation.
On the first day he created the earth.
On the fourth day he created the sun, moon, and the stars.

Now let's say the earth is 6,000 years old.
This pegs the universes age at 6,000 years old since earth was the first object created in the universe.

For example, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away from earth meaning it has been there for at least 2.5 million light years. If the universe was only 6,000 years old, the light from the Andromeda galaxy wouldn't have reached us yet.

In short, universe is freaking old and earth was not the first thing to happen.

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We are waiting.
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I will, just give me earth's age and your reason for believing it. I will debunk that accordingly.


The burden of proof is on you and other evolutionists whose ideas are tax-supported in public schools.


Acco
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the bible, there were six days of creation.
On the first day he created the earth.
On the fourth day he
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863
the sun, moon, and the stars.

Now let's say the earth is 6,000 years old.
This pegs the universes age at 6,000 years old since earth was the first object created in the universe.

For example, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away from earth meaning it has been there for at least 2.5 million light years. If the universe was only 6,000 years old, the light from the Andromeda galaxy wouldn't have reached us yet.

In short, universe is freaking old and earth was not the first thing to happen.


Light-years are units of distance, not time.

Look up gravitational time dilation.
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*Light-years are units of distance, not time.

Look up gravitational time dilation.
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*Light-years are units of distance, not time.

Look up gravitational time dilation.
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Light year = the distance light has traveled in a (earth) year. It's a measure of both distance and time that light travels.

Point is, if 2.5 million years hadn't passed, we wouldn't see the Andromeda galaxy. If the universe was only 6,000 years old, it would take 2,4994,000 years for observers on earth to see the light from the Andromeda galaxy.
Truth is hard to come by...
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*Light-years are units of distance, not time.

Look up gravitational time dilation.
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Light year = the distance light has traveled in a (earth) year. It's a measure of both distance and time that light travels.

Point is, if 2.5 million years hadn't passed, we wouldn't see the Andromeda galaxy. If the universe was only 6,000 years old, it would take 2,4994,000 years for observers on earth to see the light from the Andromeda galaxy.
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That 5 minute vid answers that. Dr. Jason Lisle will explain it better than me here.
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Not only does gravity affect time, but the speed of light is not constant. There have been several experiments indicating that the speed of light is slowing down (Setterfield, etc).
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'The early measurements typically tracked the eclipses of the moons of Jupiter when the planet was near the Earth and compared it with observations when then planet was farther away. These observations were standard, simple and repeatable, and have been measured by astronomers since the invention of the telescope. These are demonstrated to astronomy students even today. The early astronomers kept meticulous notes and sketches, many of which are still available.

Setterfield expected to see the recorded speeds grouped around the accepted value for light speed, roughly 299,792 kilometers /second. In simple terms, half of the historic measurements should have been higher and half should be lower.

What he found defied belief: The derived light speeds from the early measurements were significantly faster than today. Even more intriguing, the older the observation, the faster the speed of light. A sampling of these values is listed below:

In 1738: 303,320 +/- 310 km/second
In 1861: 300,050 +/- 60 km/second
In 1877: 299,921 +/- 13 km/second
In 2004: 299,792 km/second (accepted constant)
Setterfield teamed with statistician Dr. Trevor Norman and demonstrated that, even allowing for the clumsiness of early experiments, and correcting for the multiple lenses of early telescopes and other factors related to technology, the speed of light was discernibly higher 100 years ago, and as much as 7 percent higher in the 1700s.'
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'One of the only well preserved dinosaur skin samples ever found is being tested at the Canadian Light Source (CLS) synchrotron to determine skin colour and to explain why the fossilized specimen remained intact after 70-million years.

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Answer: Because it is NOT 70 million years old.

Scientists are so attached to the lie of evolution that they cannot even comprehend reality when it is right in front of their face - or in their hand, as it were.
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Not only does gravity affect time, but the speed of light is not constant. There have been several experiments indicating that the speed of light is slowing down (Setterfield, etc).
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I find it comical that you use the theory of relativity to confirm your creationist claims.

I'm not saying your deity isn't real, I'm just saying the six creation days is utter bullshit.

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We are waiting.
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I will, just give me earth's age and your reason for believing it. I will debunk that accordingly.


The burden of proof is on you and other evolutionists whose ideas are tax-supported in public schools.


Acco
 Quoting: Jon
the bible, there were six days of creation.
On the first day he created the earth.
On the fourth day he
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863
the sun, moon, and the stars.

Now let's say the earth is 6,000 years old.
This pegs the universes age at 6,000 years old since earth was the first object created in the universe.

For example, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away from earth meaning it has been there for at least 2.5 million light years. If the universe was only 6,000 years old, the light from the Andromeda galaxy wouldn't have reached us yet.

In short, universe is freaking old and earth was not the first thing to happen.

You made a giant assumption there boy.
You assumed that the light from the Andromeda galaxy started at the earths creati
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hat it traveled at a known constant rate.
None of that is in evidence. It is an assumption, just like there could be no tissue left in fossilized bones.
Yet assumptions are not facts.
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Bear with this cite please, the references are not biased as you may think the website is.

[link to creation.com]

'Geophysicist Dr John Baumgardner, part of the RATE research group,6 investigated 14C in a number of diamonds.7 There should be no 14C at all if they really were over a billion years old, yet the radiocarbon lab reported that there was over 10 times the detection limit. Thus they had a radiocarbon ‘age’ far less than a million years! Dr Baumgardner repeated this with six more alluvial diamonds from Namibia, and these had even more radiocarbon.

The presence of radiocarbon in these diamonds where there should be none is thus sparkling evidence for a ‘young’ world, as the Bible records.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863


radiocarbon dating is baloney anyway.
it is based on ASSUMPTIONS that aren't true.
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dinosaurs are a hoax, only gullible sheep believe in that shit.
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and the earth is flat and the tooth fairy is my bi-sister...
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'The early measurements typically tracked the eclipses of the moons of Jupiter when the planet was near the Earth and compared it with observations when then planet was farther away. These observations were standard, simple and repeatable, and have been measured by astronomers since the invention of the telescope. These are demonstrated to astronomy students even today. The early astronomers kept meticulous notes and sketches, many of which are still available.

Setterfield expected to see the recorded speeds grouped around the accepted value for light speed, roughly 299,792 kilometers /second. In simple terms, half of the historic measurements should have been higher and half should be lower.

What he found defied belief: The derived light speeds from the early measurements were significantly faster than today. Even more intriguing, the older the observation, the faster the speed of light. A sampling of these values is listed below:

In 1738: 303,320 +/- 310 km/second
In 1861: 300,050 +/- 60 km/second
In 1877: 299,921 +/- 13 km/second
In 2004: 299,792 km/second (accepted constant)
Setterfield teamed with statistician Dr. Trevor Norman and demonstrated that, even allowing for the clumsiness of early experiments, and correcting for the multiple lenses of early telescopes and other factors related to technology, the speed of light was discernibly higher 100 years ago, and as much as 7 percent higher in the 1700s.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863


I would tend to disbelieve that particular scientist's findings that the speed of light has slowed down, because it would be safe to assume that if it had it still is, and modern science having instrumentation capable of measuring the speed of light to within .0000001% accuracy, they would have observed a difference in results over the last few years.

7% over 300 years equals 0.7% over 30 years. they would have seen that and it would be in all the textbooks.
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Not only does gravity affect time, but the speed of light is not constant. There have been several experiments indicating that the speed of light is slowing down (Setterfield, etc).
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I find it comical that you use the theory of relativity to confirm your creationist claims.

I'm not saying your deity isn't real, I'm just saying the six creation days is utter bullshit.
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Is that how you explain gravitational time dilation?

How do you explain obligate symbiotic relationships?
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I will, just give me earth's age and your reason for believing it. I will debunk that accordingly.
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The burden of proof is on you and other evolutionists whose ideas are tax-supported in public schools.
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According to the bible, there were six days of creation.
On the first day he created the earth.
On the fourth day he created the sun, moon, and the stars.

Now let's say the earth is 6,000 years old.
This pegs the universes age at 6,000 years old since earth was the first object created in the universe.

For example, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away from earth meaning it has been there for at least 2.5 million light years. If the universe was only 6,000 years old, the light from the Andromeda galaxy wouldn't have reached us yet.

In short, universe is freaking old and earth was not the first thing to happen.
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You made a giant assumption there boy.
You assumed that the light from the Andromeda galaxy started at the earths creation and that it traveled at a known constant rate.
None of that is in evidence. It is an assumption, just like there could be no tissue left in fossilized bones.
Yet assumptions are not facts.
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Please provide some facts, thank you.
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Bear with this cite please, the references are not biased as you may think the website is.

[link to creation.com]

'Geophysicist Dr John Baumgardner, part of the RATE research group,6 investigated 14C in a number of diamonds.7 There should be no 14C at all if they really were over a billion years old, yet the radiocarbon lab reported that there was over 10 times the detection limit. Thus they had a radiocarbon ‘age’ far less than a million years! Dr Baumgardner repeated this with six more alluvial diamonds from Namibia, and these had even more radiocarbon.

The presence of radiocarbon in these diamonds where there should be none is thus sparkling evidence for a ‘young’ world, as the Bible records.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863


radiocarbon dating is baloney anyway.
it is based on ASSUMPTIONS that aren't true.
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I admit C14 dating has assumptions like every other method, especially regarding a constant decay rate. However, the fact that we find C14 in fossils tells us those objects are NOT millions or billions of years old. Yet evolutionists always turn a blind eye to this data.
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'The early measurements typically tracked the eclipses of the moons of Jupiter when the planet was near the Earth and compared it with observations when then planet was farther away. These observations were standard, simple and repeatable, and have been measured by astronomers since the invention of the telescope. These are demonstrated to astronomy students even today. The early astronomers kept meticulous notes and sketches, many of which are still available.

Setterfield expected to see the recorded speeds grouped around the accepted value for light speed, roughly 299,792 kilometers /second. In simple terms, half of the historic measurements should have been higher and half should be lower.

What he found defied belief: The derived light speeds from the early measurements were significantly faster than today. Even more intriguing, the older the observation, the faster the speed of light. A sampling of these values is listed below:

In 1738: 303,320 +/- 310 km/second
In 1861: 300,050 +/- 60 km/second
In 1877: 299,921 +/- 13 km/second
In 2004: 299,792 km/second (accepted constant)
Setterfield teamed with statistician Dr. Trevor Norman and demonstrated that, even allowing for the clumsiness of early experiments, and correcting for the multiple lenses of early telescopes and other factors related to technology, the speed of light was discernibly higher 100 years ago, and as much as 7 percent higher in the 1700s.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39092863


I would tend to disbelieve that particular scientist's findings that the speed of light has slowed down, because it would be safe to assume that if it had it still is, and modern science having instrumentation capable of measuring the speed of light to within .0000001% accuracy, they would have observed a difference in results over the last few years.

7% over 300 years equals 0.7% over 30 years. they would have seen that and it would be in all the textbooks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24702889


This data is an example of us noticing that difference. Please provide some other examples if you can, thanks.

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