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Fresh intelligence row over US 'bugging' of EU offices - Snowden intel

 
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This info didn't come from Snowden.

It's on drudge as we speak. Upper left. It's from a man named Madsen, also a former NSA employee.
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The Guardian Revealed A Major NSA 'Scoop' Then Deleted It From Their Website

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The article that was pulled from the guardian, drudge had a link to it : [link to www.salon.com]
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The Guardian Revealed A Major NSA 'Scoop' Then Deleted It From Their Website

[link to www.sfgate.com] hiding
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The article that was pulled from the guardian, drudge had a link to it : [link to www.salon.com]
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Not HAD....HAS
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The Guardian Revealed A Major NSA 'Scoop' Then Deleted It From Their Website

[link to www.sfgate.com] hiding
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The article that was pulled from the guardian, drudge had a link to it : [link to www.salon.com]
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Not HAD....HAS
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


Sorry, that was my broken way of saying that I had found a link to it there, English is not my first language, apologies! hf
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The Guardian Revealed A Major NSA 'Scoop' Then Deleted It From Their Website

[link to www.sfgate.com] hiding
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The article that was pulled from the guardian, drudge had a link to it : [link to www.salon.com]
 Quoting: mmmhmmm


Not HAD....HAS
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


Sorry, that was my broken way of saying that I had found a link to it there, English is not my first language, apologies! hf
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I understand, but this thread is not correct because the whole premise of it is that it's Snowden info.

It's not.

Just looking for truth not trying to be critical
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Same in latin America

Thread: Ecuador snubs US trade ‘blackmail’ over Snowden, offers human rights training. HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!
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The article that was pulled from the guardian, drudge had a link to it : [link to www.salon.com]
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Not HAD....HAS
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


Sorry, that was my broken way of saying that I had found a link to it there, English is not my first language, apologies! hf
 Quoting: mmmhmmm


I understand, but this thread is not correct because the whole premise of it is that it's Snowden info.

It's not.

Just looking for truth not trying to be critical
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It was the headline of the article, and the article states that there were earlier suspicions, but states that it had been verified by new intel from Snowden.
So, feel free not to shoot the messenger for the original article not mentioning other whistle-blowers then Snowden.
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No these are two different situations. The news that this thread references is on drudge. It's from another whistleblower named Madsen.
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No these are two different situations. The news that this thread references is on drudge. It's from another whistleblower named Madsen.
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Actually, we are talking about two different situations as well, the article on drudge, from Madsen, is about various European countries working with the NSA to trade data on civilians.

The article in the opening post is about it coming to light that the NSA has also collected a lot of intel on European officials.
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Not HAD....HAS
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


Sorry, that was my broken way of saying that I had found a link to it there, English is not my first language, apologies! hf
 Quoting: mmmhmmm


I understand, but this thread is not correct because the whole premise of it is that it's Snowden info.

It's not.

Just looking for truth not trying to be critical
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It was the headline of the article, and the article states that there were earlier suspicions, but states that it had been verified by new intel from Snowden.
So, feel free not to shoot the messenger for the original article not mentioning other whistle-blowers then Snowden.
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No it very clearly states it from Madsen. I get up early to work. I read it at 3am this morning before it was scrubbed. I at first thought it was new info from Snowden too. As I read the whole article it was not from Snowden.

Just trying to help. I wouldn't want people to think you are a disinformation shill. I know it was an innocent mistake.
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06/30/2013 09:21 AM
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Some response here: [link to edition.cnn.com]

It also guite disturbing to find out this:

[link to www.thedrum.com]
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Sorry, that was my broken way of saying that I had found a link to it there, English is not my first language, apologies! hf
 Quoting: mmmhmmm


I understand, but this thread is not correct because the whole premise of it is that it's Snowden info.

It's not.

Just looking for truth not trying to be critical
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


It was the headline of the article, and the article states that there were earlier suspicions, but states that it had been verified by new intel from Snowden.
So, feel free not to shoot the messenger for the original article not mentioning other whistle-blowers then Snowden.
 Quoting: mmmhmmm

No it very clearly states it from Madsen. I get up early to work. I read it at 3am this morning before it was scrubbed. I at first thought it was new info from Snowden too. As I read the whole article it was not from Snowden.

Just trying to help. I wouldn't want people to think you are a disinformation shill. I know it was an innocent mistake.
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Ok So just so we dont get our wires crossed, because both articles are important:

Article from my opening post :
BERLIN: Washington targeted European Union offices in Brussels and the United States, German weekly Der Spiegel reported on Sunday, in fresh spying allegations attributed to US fugitive Edward Snowden.
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The article with the intel of Madsen:

[link to www.salon.com]

The NSA has been working with at least seven European other countries to collect personal communications data, according to Wayne Madsen, a former NSA contractor who has come forward because he does not think the public should not be “kept in the dark.” According to Madsen, Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy all have formed secret agreements with the US to submit sensitive data.
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I'd edit that into opening post too so both articles are mentioned, but I posted it as anonymous still so I can't.

Last Edited by mmmhmmm on 06/30/2013 09:26 AM
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According to Der Speigel, the documents to them (that NSA bugged EU institutions) were provided by Snowden.
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The name of the game with this OBummer administration is confusion. They did it with Benghazi. They did it with the IRS.

To the best of my knowledge Snowden has not uttered a word since he hit Russia . There is a lot of stuff coming out about Snowden now to discredit him and confuse people.

The other day we saw a pic supposedly Snowden. It turned out to be a guy in Germany. If enough stuff comes out people will be so confused that the truth will be lost and misconstrued.
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According to Der Speigel, the documents to them (that NSA bugged EU institutions) were provided by Snowden.
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Yes, we are talking bout two different articles, with different whistle blowers, both very important and part of the same NSA debacle.
Edited the second post of this threa, added a link and a quote of the article Curiosity is referring to because that one i could edit, just for clarification.
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According to Der Speigel, the documents to them (that NSA bugged EU institutions) were provided by Snowden.
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Yes, we are talking bout two different articles, with different whistle blowers, both very important and part of the same NSA debacle.
Edited the second post of this threa, added a link and a quote of the article Curiosity is referring to because that one i could edit, just for clarification.
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You are right, thanks fot the clarification. And cheers to Denmark
hf
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According to Der Speigel, the documents to them (that NSA bugged EU institutions) were provided by Snowden.
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Yes, we are talking bout two different articles, with different whistle blowers, both very important and part of the same NSA debacle.
Edited the second post of this threa, added a link and a quote of the article Curiosity is referring to because that one i could edit, just for clarification.
 Quoting: mmmhmmm


You are right, thanks fot the clarification. And cheers to Denmark
hf
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Snowden has not uttered a word since he arrived in Russia. PERIOD
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According to Der Speigel, the documents to them (that NSA bugged EU institutions) were provided by Snowden.
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Yes, we are talking bout two different articles, with different whistle blowers, both very important and part of the same NSA debacle.
Edited the second post of this threa, added a link and a quote of the article Curiosity is referring to because that one i could edit, just for clarification.
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You are right, thanks fot the clarification. And cheers to Denmark
hf
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Thank Curiosity for sparking me to look in debt on the differences between articles :D
Cheers to Finland too! hf

Does seem more whistle-blowers are popping up, indeed creating confusion, part of me wishes there wont be any more so we dont have to sift through a whole flock of them to see what info is valuable,lol tomato
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Imagine you have a 'good friend' and then you realize that he has lied to you, cheated and snooped you. How would you react?

The 'damage' that Snowden has done, Americans can not even really understand properly.
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LOL a good friend?

have you ever seen victims of bullying blackmailing terroristic attacks economic wars etc consider their attackers as friends?
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According to Der Speigel, the documents to them (that NSA bugged EU institutions) were provided by Snowden.
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Yes, we are talking bout two different articles, with different whistle blowers, both very important and part of the same NSA debacle.
Edited the second post of this threa, added a link and a quote of the article Curiosity is referring to because that one i could edit, just for clarification.
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You are right, thanks fot the clarification. And cheers to Denmark
hf
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Snowden has not uttered a word since he arrived in Russia. PERIOD
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He does not need to, this Spiegel article is based on documents handed for them.

"According to SPIEGEL information, the monitoring of Germany by the U.S. NSA is much more extensive than previously thought. secret NSA documents reveal that the agency systematically controls a large part of the telephone and internet connection and data stores. According to an internal statistics of the intelligence around 500 million monthly communication connections are monitored in the Federal Republic. The NSA classifies Germany as an attack target."
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Wow, even MSN is carrying it.
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According to Der Speigel, the documents to them (that NSA bugged EU institutions) were provided by Snowden.
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Yes, we are talking bout two different articles, with different whistle blowers, both very important and part of the same NSA debacle.
Edited the second post of this threa, added a link and a quote of the article Curiosity is referring to because that one i could edit, just for clarification.
 Quoting: mmmhmmm


You are right, thanks fot the clarification. And cheers to Denmark
hf
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Snowden has not uttered a word since he arrived in Russia. PERIOD
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You are right here, but according the Spiegel, it has seen documents taken from the NSA by Snowden. Now there lies a question: Would Spiegel write a story without proven evidence? For my understanding it is a quite respected media,and would not take risk providing a story like this without backing it up.

Peace...
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all this spying is not about terrorism. its economic warfair ankle_bite
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it's a CORPORATE WAR MACHINE, has been since 1815 when the London Stock Exchange was conned into believing Napoleon had won, c/o Rothschild counter-espionage guild?

PROFIT is the only aspect of their game worth playing for.

Well, FUCK THEIR GAME.

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Germany compares reported U.S. bugging to 'Cold War'. chillyTank

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Let us help you. Just like the USSR building the road to Afghanistan and then using it to invade.
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BERLIN: Washington targeted European Union offices in Brussels and the United States, German weekly Der Spiegel reported on Sunday, in fresh spying allegations attributed to US fugitive Edward Snowden.

The story, the latest in a series of allegations about US intelligence activity, is likely to further strain relations with its European partners.

European Parliament President Martin Schulz said in a statement he was shocked at the allegations and demanded full clarification from Washington.
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This is the only english written link I could find, it aired in danish newspapers and this article refers to an article published in der Spiegel, germany

[link to gulftoday.ae]

"If the allegations prove to be true, it would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-US relations." He demanded full and speedy clarification from the US authorities.

US spying was "out of control," said Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn.

"The US would do better to monitor its intelligence services instead of its allies," he added.

Even before the latest allegations, the EU's Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding wrote to US attorney general Eric Holder earlier this month calling for answers about its Internet spy programme.
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WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK what Europe thinks? They have no rights whatsoever. They should be THANKING the US for mercifully only listening to their boring phone conversations instead of wiping them out wholesale.
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The good thing is that at least european media is now discussing about the real issue here, and not whereabouts of Snowden.


"Snowden leaks 'an extremely serious matter' says President of European Parliament amid reports America's NSA bugged EU premises"

[link to www.independent.co.uk]
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Imagine you have a 'good friend' and then you realize that he has lied to you, cheated and snooped you. How would you react?

The 'damage' that Snowden has done, Americans can not even really understand properly.
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I don't see it as being "damage" at all.

Mr. Snowden has exposed criminal activity on the part of US "government" employees.

The criminals did the damage, not Snowden.
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Some of you here may never learn. Snowden is a psyop and like I have told you from day one that the justification for PRISM is coming in the form of a False Flag.

Now that they are making the lie bigger, you can only expect the justification that will make the US look like its been right all along, to be much bigger than expected. Expect a mega false flag of epic proportions.......one after the other that just won't stop.

Thread: US on PRISM: "Sorry, we are spying on you! Outraged? Wonder why all this is necessary? Dont worry, we'll justify this soon!"

You all need to wake up before its too late!
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Imagine you have a 'good friend' and then you realize that he has lied to you, cheated and snooped you. How would you react?

The 'damage' that Snowden has done, Americans can not even really understand properly.
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Here is a question you may need to think upon.

If it was correct and completely legal for the US NSA to basically spy on every man, woman, child in the world that they could, then why would it have to remain a secret? If it really is totally legal, why was it purposely withheld from most of the US ghovernment, and the world?

If they had nothing to hide, then why were they hiding it?
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I think something very good can come out of this. Since the NSA has made record of everything, no more crimes need to remain unsolved. Innocent wrongly convicted people could find themselves exonerated and serial killers and child kidnappers could be found and brought to justice. Every police investigator, prosecutor and defense lawyer should demand to see what the NSA can contribute as evidence in their cases.
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Just a joke. This type of thing (if it's real at all) is commonplace, expected, and is the normal state of affairs.

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