Fresh intelligence row over US 'bugging' of EU offices - Snowden intel

this is the der spiegel link, if my german serves me well enough. [link to www.spiegel.de]

and the danish one [link to www.avisen.dk]

The above are both about NSA gathering data on EU officials.

Brought up by CuriosityCat1, also very important article from another whistle blower:
[link to www.salon.com]



Last Edited by mmmhmmm on 06/30/2013 09:30 AM

When all this is said and done, the entire World is going to be looking directly at the UNITED STATES.

Some of the world is already starting to I think. While I think its good some of this info comes out, and surveillance/blackmail of officials could explain a lot, I feel for Americans and the way political decisions may tarnish their good reputation.

Dont pity US. All Nations get the leaders they deserve.

all this spying is not about terrorism. its economic warfair :ankle_bite:

Yea, pretty much just an extended version of corporate espionage...

Thread: NSA 'Spied On European Parliament', Der Spiegel Claims

USA! Numba #1 in criminal activity!

Do you blame the rape victims too?

The Guardian Revealed A Major NSA 'Scoop' Then Deleted It From Their Website

[link to www.sfgate.com]

We´ve known this for years, like Echelon etc.
Finally some politicians open their eyes.

And holy cow, i registered just to post this and first pin ever! Thanx guys!

Imagine you have a 'good friend' and then you realize that he has lied to you, cheated and snooped you. How would you react?

The 'damage' that Snowden has done, Americans can not even really understand properly.

I don't see it as being "damage" at all.

Mr. Snowden has exposed criminal activity on the part of US "government" employees.

The criminals did the damage, not Snowden.

Wasn't really the damage Snowden has done though, sure, he put it all out in the open, and he wont be winning any popularity contests with some people for that, but ultimately, the actions he blew the whistle on are someone else s responsibility altogether.

I think you mean the damage the illegal spying policies and procedures have done.

Interesting, did not realize US saw European allies as targets.

Here is a question you may need to think upon.

If it was correct and completely legal for the US NSA to basically spy on every man, woman, child in the world that they could, then why would it have to remain a secret? If it really is totally legal, why was it purposely withheld from most of the US ghovernment, and the world?

If they had nothing to hide, then why were they hiding it?

Thats why I said 'damage' in 'quote signs'.

I'd expect nothing less from a global power.

I'm pretty sure that the major powers within the EU are playing similar games with each other as well. What was the Russian saying? Trust but verify?

It just shows technology has moved on, USA doesn't need to hire hookers to do the job anymore.

So true !

But do not change the fact. The damage has done! The reactions to it will follow due to our legal system. No convenient times for Mr. Obama!

Whatever legal actions from governments may follow remains to be seen, really. There is really no way to tell what dirt on who has been gathered, and how much they want it to remain hidden.
It could just end in a big fizzle with some 'stop this now or face dire consequences'- letters.

(These letters are another 'conspiracy' altogether, I believe they are being used as politicians version of baseball cards, they come together *one leader to another 'hey, do you happen to have a 'grave consequences' letter from Obama? If so ill trade you for one of Merkel, I got two of those!')

The NSA is spying in Germany on a much larger scale as we first thought. It is said that 500 million German phonecalls, e-mails and text messages are being tapped in looked at by the NSA.

According to Der Spiegel Germany is being watched just as much as the VS is watching China, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

[link to www.spiegel.de]

Snowden was the bigger man to stand up and say this isn't right. If you are a coward and think he should have stayed quiet then go back in your hole and shut up. What he did was uncover corruption that has taken us where we are. How about someone coming forward with truth about 911, we know you are out there and the time is running out, the world is now on your side. The truth will set you free

I would love to see Finland offering asylum for Snowden. But since out politiacans are such pussies, hard to believe that to happen...

Military industrial complex is one hell of a money maker!
Besides the perpetual wars and hardware, it includes Monsanto, DuPont, pharmaceutical companies, psy-ops, the usual lovelies... And tons of intellectual property patented by these private companies working 'under a contract' for the government...
Say whaaaaaat???!

This info didn't come from Snowden.

It's on drudge as we speak. Upper left. It's from a man named Madsen, also a former NSA employee.

But by elements who are not even American.