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Why Snowden Asked Visitors in Hong Kong to Refrigerate Their Phones

 
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Before a dinner of pizza and fried chicken late Sunday in Hong Kong, Edward J. Snowden insisted that a group of lawyers advising him in the Chinese territory “hide their cellphones in the refrigerator of the home where he was staying, to block any eavesdropping,” as my colleague Keith Bradsher reported.

Why a refrigerator? The answer does not, as some might assume, have anything to do with temperature. In fact, it does not matter particularly if the refrigerator was plugged in. It is the materials that make up refrigerator walls that could potentially turn them into anti-eavesdropping devices.

“What you want to do is block the radio signals which could be used to transmit voice data, and block the audio altogether,” Adam Harvey, a designer specializing in countersurveillance products explained. Refrigerators made from metal with thick insulation could potentially do both, he says, regardless of whether it is mild or icy within.

On the data-transmission front, thick metal walls can create a sort of electromagnetic barrier, which enables the device to function as something known as a Faraday cage. A true Faraday cage is a space where radio waves cannot pass and therefore data cannot be transmitted. Although not all fridges function this way, those constructed with more metal have the potential to serve this purpose.

Another household object that functions similarly, Mr. Harvey has learned through his research into cellphone data transmission, is a stainless steel martini shaker.

“It’s a perfect Faraday cage – it will block all radio signals unless you decide you need to pour yourself a martini,” he said. Although this sounds like a plot point in a James Bond movie, Mr. Harvey has actually done extensive tests on the shaker in the process of developing a surveillance-blocking cellphone case called the OFF Pocket.

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Wrapping the phone in aluminum foil stops it from ringing; not sure if it's fully isolated or not.
Can't seem to find people who care enough to experiment; except this forum.
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He just needs to switch to Vodafone, no need for a faraday cage
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gee I wonder what houshold device is designed inherently to prevent the transmission of microwaves through its walls..

faraday cage effect my fucking arse

an refrigerator is an imperfect container and piss poor as a faraday cage, don't believe me? put your mobile in the fridge and ring it.

what a fridge is good for is deadening/attenuating sounds due to the thick thermal lagging. not by any means perfect but better than nothing.

as for wrapping a mobile in tinfoil to block the signal, don't be a daft cunt
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wrap your refrigerator in foil after you put your phone in....only works if you have frozen peas next to it though
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Someone test out the microwave idea please. I haven't had one for years.
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Anyone Know Where I Can Buy A Fridge I Can Wear On My Head?
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metal blocks microwaves, any metal box should block the signal. Keep in mind that the microwaves will bounce around inside and can even reflect off of a metal surface like a mirror, any exit hole will allow the signal through.
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Wrapping the phone in aluminum foil stops it from ringing; not sure if it's fully isolated or not.
Can't seem to find people who care enough to experiment; except this forum.
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KILLS the signal and that is what you want

I keep my iphone in a foil pouch....however you must wrinkle up the foil first....seems to scatter the signal enough to keep you safe.....IMHO

Then MY PHONE is there when I want to use it....not when someone else wants control

peace

There are no cell phones.....only government tracking devices with a telephone added on to distract you!!
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wrap your refrigerator in foil after you put your phone in....only works if you have frozen peas next to it though
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He just needs to switch to Vodafone, no need for a faraday cage
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Get a small metal safe.
Research as to what kind of inner lining is best.
Keep phone in, shut the door.
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wrap your refrigerator in foil after you put your phone in....only works if you have frozen peas next to it though
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lol
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He just needs to switch to Vodafone, no need for a faraday cage
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Wrapping the phone in aluminum foil stops it from ringing; not sure if it's fully isolated or not.
Can't seem to find people who care enough to experiment; except this forum.
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If it doesn't ring it is off the system. Removing the battery works guaranteed.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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gee I wonder what houshold device is designed inherently to prevent the transmission of microwaves through its walls..

faraday cage effect my fucking arse

an refrigerator is an imperfect container and piss poor as a faraday cage, don't believe me? put your mobile in the fridge and ring it.

what a fridge is good for is deadening/attenuating sounds due to the thick thermal lagging. not by any means perfect but better than nothing.

as for wrapping a mobile in tinfoil to block the signal, don't be a daft cunt
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cruise
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Wrapping the phone in aluminum foil stops it from ringing; not sure if it's fully isolated or not.
Can't seem to find people who care enough to experiment; except this forum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34853598


If it doesn't ring it is off the system. Removing the battery works guaranteed.
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Shill? We all know they only stop working if they are smashed with a sledge hammer and then melted down.
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gee I wonder what houshold device is designed inherently to prevent the transmission of microwaves through its walls..

faraday cage effect my fucking arse

an refrigerator is an imperfect container and piss poor as a faraday cage, don't believe me? put your mobile in the fridge and ring it.

what a fridge is good for is deadening/attenuating sounds due to the thick thermal lagging. not by any means perfect but better than nothing.

as for wrapping a mobile in tinfoil to block the signal, don't be a daft cunt
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42544662


completely wrapping in foil works. I am telling you this as an engineer.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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et phones knew this would happen back...
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SNOWden. REFRIGERATOR.

they're laughing at you.
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as for wrapping a mobile in tinfoil to block the signal, don't be a daft cunt
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LMAO.

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He just needs to switch to Vodafone, no need for a faraday cage
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OUCH !

sad but true , though ...

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Seems like good information to know!
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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gee I wonder what houshold device is designed inherently to prevent the transmission of microwaves through its walls..
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THAT'S EASY!! ALUMINIUM FOIL DEFLECTOR BEANIE OF COURSE!!11

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Wow. real idiots here huh?


The microchip in a cellphone is always running regardless if the phone is on or off.

If the microchip is running, the cell phone can be hacked.


Cooling it might aide in faster data but putting a warm cell phone into a fridge will cause condensation and water refracts radio waves meaning no WIFI connection TO THAT PHONE.
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NOT TO MENTION THE LEAD CASING ALL REFRIGERATORS HAVE.
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Or just take the battery out ????? Maybr
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Or just take the battery out ????? Maybr
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No. The cellphone would still hold enough power for the microchips to work.
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Cold also drains power.
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Re: Why Snowden Asked Visitors in Hong Kong to Refrigerate Their Phones
To isolate the phones so that the conversation and participants would not be seen or heard.

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