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License Plate Reader Jammers

 
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License Plate Reader Jammers
Would License Plate Reader Jammers Work And Be Legal?

The news that the police departments in California routinely scan and record license plates to create a database that can be used to retroactively track any driver’s motions and activities broke at political and civil liberty websites and is now percolating through the autoblogosphere. Jack Baruth wrote about it here at TTAC yesterday. Jalopnik has picked up the story today. Like the current issue over NSA monitoring of electronic communication involves balancing national security with Americans’ privacy from government intrusion, recording and tracking license plates can be a useful tool in solving crime but it also seems contrary to American values and rights like freedom of motion and freedom from random surveillance without probable cause. Still, if I had a vote on the matter, since law enforcement in this country hasn’t exactly had a sterling record in protecting civil liberties, I wouldn’t trust them with this technology. Who knows how the political system will eventually deal with this news, but in the meantime remember that for every technology there is some way to defeat it. In this case, it might even be legal.

[link to www.thetruthaboutcars.com]


Also see this (maybe already posted here):

License Plate Readers Are Photographing You Everywhere

[link to www.popsci.com]
Bill in Brasil (OP)
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They are interesting articles. I met a guy a few years ago that said he never goes to Mill Valley to have cocktails anymore. He claimed that the city bought a hardware/software program for its police cars that scans the license plates of parked cars, say near a bar, does a lookup, and alerts the officer when one of the vehicles has had a DUI in the past couple years or so. The cop can then watch that car more carefully.
Land of the free?
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06/30/2013 06:12 PM
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pretty much illegal, interfering with the police is a crime...you might not agree or like it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a crime.
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Bill in Brasil (OP)
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Iowa City to ban red-light cameras, drones, and license plate readers too

[link to arstechnica.com]

If Iowa City can do it so can we!!!
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Down here in Brasil people mostly just care about the soccer game (Brasil vs Spain)...It will be a long time before I will need to worry about this issue here.

But when back stateside it is very disconcerting...the gubbermint is completely out of control between digital and phone monitoring and now this...something needs to be done. National ID cards with chips could be right around the corner...the next step is chip implants - sounds crazy but probably not that far off.
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I accidentally allowed a small rug to accidentally fall over top of my license plate, when I closed the tail gate to my truck.
Then, I got onto a toll road, and when I got off, I corrected the accident.
I still got a fee notice in the mail.
So this means that -either the rug flapped up and allowed detection, or the detector detected through the rug.
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They would probably be legal to buy legal to sell, but illegal to use.

Thats the usual ploy.

ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) is used all over the UK it sets off an alarm in a police car equipped with anpr if someone isnt taxed insured or mot'd, or if the car is stolen stuff like that.


A jammer would be pretty cool, but cant see what purpose it would serve other then to let those who already dont have insurance road tax and mot's cause more havoc on the roads.

If it was a speed camera jammer then im all for that, those things are a pain in the arse and are always in places where they dont serve any other purpose then to collect revenue.
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06/30/2013 06:45 PM
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I can't quite figure out how to design one. If you obfuscated your plate, the car would show as no plate, or another number. The other number would have to be clean and a similar vehicle. If they take a picture, it could conceivably identify you without the plate number.

Probably the only way to really jam such a thing would be with HPM, and that might permanently take out half the electronics in the cop car. Good for a laugh, but the cop may not get the joke, and may still take your picture.

Any other ideas?
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What about that spray paint the law banned a few years ago?

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in this article the guy says just use a very bright light on your license plate to fuck with the camera, its legal becaus ethe law says you need a white light shining on your plate and it needs to be read from at least 50 feet away. human eye can see the plate no problem but the cameras will have problems.

[link to www.thetruthaboutcars.com]
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I can't quite figure out how to design one. If you obfuscated your plate, the car would show as no plate, or another number. The other number would have to be clean and a similar vehicle. If they take a picture, it could conceivably identify you without the plate number.

Probably the only way to really jam such a thing would be with HPM, and that might permanently take out half the electronics in the cop car. Good for a laugh, but the cop may not get the joke, and may still take your picture.

Any other ideas?
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Most cameras are CCD or CMOS image sensors... Overload invisible IR light on too you plate that it will over saturate the camera's image sensor... Granted this going to take alot...

put your phone in real time camera and flash a remote... you will get the concept
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pretty much illegal, interfering with the police is a crime...you might not agree or like it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a crime.
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Nope

There needs to be a change in the law in order for it to be illegal.

If you follow the letter of the law there is no law broken.
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pretty much illegal, interfering with the police is a crime...you might not agree or like it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a crime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


Nope

There needs to be a change in the law in order for it to be illegal.

If you follow the letter of the law there is no law broken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Please do try that defense in court and see how far it get's ya


Bottom line: DON'T BREAK THE LAW, then ya won't have a problem.
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06/30/2013 07:07 PM
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a license plate must be able to be read from 500 feet away.

1.

put on blinders like what's on stop signs that are only to be seen from one street but not another street that's at a close angle.

you could then see the license plate from 500 feet away when you are directly behind the car, and that's all the government requires so they get what they asked for.

2.

a holographerizer that only allows your license plate to be read when you are exactly 500 feet away. I believe that meets the requirements.

3.

motorized license plate mountings that you can retract when the car is parked. who says they have to be visible when you are parked? does it say in the statutes? I don't think it does. or if you're on the cheap, use velcro.

4.

attach your plates upside down.
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I accidentally allowed a small rug to accidentally fall over top of my license plate, when I closed the tail gate to my truck.
Then, I got onto a toll road, and when I got off, I corrected the accident.
I still got a fee notice in the mail.
So this means that -either the rug flapped up and allowed detection, or the detector detected through the rug.
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Did you have a front plate at the time?
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pretty much illegal, interfering with the police is a crime...you might not agree or like it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a crime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


Nope

There needs to be a change in the law in order for it to be illegal.

If you follow the letter of the law there is no law broken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Please do try that defense in court and see how far it get's ya


Bottom line: DON'T BREAK THE LAW, then ya won't have a problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


If you follow the letter of the law you aren't breaking the law.

Are you that brain addled?
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Don't nearly all vehicles have Onstar based GPS and diagnostics built in?

Even in the old days, you had the same wiring harness in all cars, they just capped certain plugs if you did not have a feature like air conditioning.

I can not imagine it is cheaper to ommit tracking capability from some autos than it is to put it in all of them.
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pretty much illegal, interfering with the police is a crime...you might not agree or like it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a crime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


Nope

There needs to be a change in the law in order for it to be illegal.

If you follow the letter of the law there is no law broken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Please do try that defense in court and see how far it get's ya


Bottom line: DON'T BREAK THE LAW, then ya won't have a problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


If you follow the letter of the law you aren't breaking the law.

Are you that brain addled?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Nope, just smarter than you Einstein
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Nope

There needs to be a change in the law in order for it to be illegal.

If you follow the letter of the law there is no law broken.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Please do try that defense in court and see how far it get's ya


Bottom line: DON'T BREAK THE LAW, then ya won't have a problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


If you follow the letter of the law you aren't breaking the law.

Are you that brain addled?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Nope, just smarter than you Einstein
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You are insanely stupid.

What would you be charged with genius?
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I accidentally allowed a small rug to accidentally fall over top of my license plate, when I closed the tail gate to my truck.
Then, I got onto a toll road, and when I got off, I corrected the accident.
I still got a fee notice in the mail.
So this means that -either the rug flapped up and allowed detection, or the detector detected through the rug.
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Does your truck have a front license plate? They get that one too :)
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Even if you put your license plate(s) in the trunk, the readers will still read your license plate.
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Please do try that defense in court and see how far it get's ya


Bottom line: DON'T BREAK THE LAW, then ya won't have a problem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


If you follow the letter of the law you aren't breaking the law.

Are you that brain addled?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Nope, just smarter than you Einstein
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


You are insanely stupid.

What would you be charged with genius?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



depends on your state, so look that up for yourself....

bottom line: Every state has some form of motor vehicle law covering the readability of License plates....check your local and state LEA for what applies to you....

or

take dipshit here's advice and roll the dice in court.
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If you follow the letter of the law you aren't breaking the law.

Are you that brain addled?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



Nope, just smarter than you Einstein
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


You are insanely stupid.

What would you be charged with genius?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



depends on your state, so look that up for yourself....

bottom line: Every state has some form of motor vehicle law covering the readability of License plates....check your local and state LEA for what applies to you....

or

take dipshit here's advice and roll the dice in court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


That's right there genius

Had you read the links you would see the laws he was adhering to.

ALL states at present state visible at a certain distance and require lighting.

NONE of them state visible to the requirements of a camera.

Capish?

God you are a sheep

I say again FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW and you will be FINE

Which is the same thing you said.

tool
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Nope, just smarter than you Einstein
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


You are insanely stupid.

What would you be charged with genius?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



depends on your state, so look that up for yourself....

bottom line: Every state has some form of motor vehicle law covering the readability of License plates....check your local and state LEA for what applies to you....

or

take dipshit here's advice and roll the dice in court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


That's right there genius

Had you read the links you would see the laws he was adhering to.

ALL states at present state visible at a certain distance and require lighting.

NONE of them state visible to the requirements of a camera.

Capish?

God you are a sheep

I say again FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW and you will be FINE

Which is the same thing you said.

tool
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Please do try that defense in court....we can use the "Extra" revenue!!!!
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You are insanely stupid.

What would you be charged with genius?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42448212



depends on your state, so look that up for yourself....

bottom line: Every state has some form of motor vehicle law covering the readability of License plates....check your local and state LEA for what applies to you....

or

take dipshit here's advice and roll the dice in court.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


That's right there genius

Had you read the links you would see the laws he was adhering to.

ALL states at present state visible at a certain distance and require lighting.

NONE of them state visible to the requirements of a camera.

Capish?

God you are a sheep

I say again FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW and you will be FINE

Which is the same thing you said.

tool
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Please do try that defense in court....we can use the "Extra" revenue!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42578460


In court on what charge?


There would be no court date without charges filed
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I accidentally allowed a small rug to accidentally fall over top of my license plate, when I closed the tail gate to my truck.
Then, I got onto a toll road, and when I got off, I corrected the accident.
I still got a fee notice in the mail.
So this means that -either the rug flapped up and allowed detection, or the detector detected through the rug.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34853598


was there a front plate on your truck?

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