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Germans Loved Obama - Now We Donít Trust Him

 
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In Germany, whenever the government begins to infringe on individual freedom, society stands up. Given our history, we Germans are not willing to trade in our liberty for potentially better security. Germans have experienced firsthand what happens when the government knows too much about someone. In the past 80 years, Germans have felt the betrayal of neighbors who informed for the Gestapo and the fear that best friends might be potential informants for the Stasi. Homes were tapped. Millions were monitored.

Although these two dictatorships, Nazi and Communist, are gone and we now live in a unified and stable democracy, we have not forgotten what happens when secret police or intelligence agencies disregard privacy. It is an integral part of our history and gives young and old alike a critical perspective on state surveillance systems.

[link to www.nytimes.com]

Cover Story: How the NSA Targets Germany and Europe


[link to www.spiegel.de]

Guardian Report: US Engaged in Vast Spying Operation on Europe

[link to www.spiegel.de]

Spying 'Out of Control': EU Official Questions Trade Negotiations


[link to www.spiegel.de]

Growing Alarm: German Prosecutors to Review Allegations of US Spying

[link to www.spiegel.de]

Transatlantic Ice Age - Important American Voices calling: Obama must explain

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Welcome to the club ! It just takes a little more time for some to figure him out. He can be an eloquent speaker but if you really listen you begin to realize he's nothing but a lying sack of shit ! He really has no clue what he's talking about. All he does is read someone else's shit off his teleprompter and most of the time he makes no sense. Americans really got suckered electing this asshole ! However with a little bit of subterfuge and voter fraud and he's in. Not once but twice ! Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Please don't blame Americans for the things he does because most hard working people don't agree with his agenda. Most of us just hope we survive his second term !Odickhead
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The older Germans remember I'm sure but the younger generation doesn't relate to the old folks fears.
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Welcome to the club ! It just takes a little more time for some to figure him out. He can be an eloquent speaker but if you really listen you begin to realize he's nothing but a lying sack of shit ! He really has no clue what he's talking about. All he does is read someone else's shit off his teleprompter and most of the time he makes no sense. Americans really got suckered electing this asshole ! However with a little bit of subterfuge and voter fraud and he's in. Not once but twice ! Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Please don't blame Americans for the things he does because most hard working people don't agree with his agenda. Most of us just hope we survive his second term !Odickhead
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Nobody blames the Americans! ;-)

I know the Americans are in the absolute majority good and hard working people, enjoying life as we do here. I know, because I have some relatives overseas.

The worse must be now, the masses wake up in a world of which only the crazy and conspiracy theorists talked about.

Maybe that's why a black became president, because they will pass the buck and stamp him as responsible for this surveillance apparatus.

If you want to understand the Germans a little, you have to read the comment - and then who, if not the Germans had to get up the duty in this case?

And all Americans, which basically says "Who cares?", no problem - continue to live in your nutshell. Exactly what they expect from you!
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The older Germans remember I'm sure but the younger generation doesn't relate to the old folks fears.
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They do. This is actually one of the things they care about.
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The older Germans remember I'm sure but the younger generation doesn't relate to the old folks fears.
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They do. This is actually one of the things they care about.
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I've said this before in another thread, the Germans have not forgotten anything, they have internalized.

Why the Germans are monitored most and why the outcry from Germany is the largest?

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We hate Negros.
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tried to 5* this thread niemand, but i am all out (i did 5 star some other threads of yours today though :)

it's great to read this. i am so happy to hear die deutsche leute are against obama now! awesomeness.

perhaps i should look into german citizenship. at least i speak german (VERY rusty), i don't know hebrew. but, better ways to ship my pets to israel exist than germany. not sure i can stay here in the USA, we'll see. a friend is encouraging me to come back to germany. i just don't know. i have read anti-jewish sentiment is on the rise again (muslims no doubt), so this gives me pause. the winters are so dreary, but the summers soooo fantastic!

thanks again - this is great news!
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We hate Negros.
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We hate them too - and mixed race brownies.

And we hate being spied on. I think it is time for the Right Wing to take control in Europe.
It is the only way to protect peoples privacy.
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I didn't trust Obama when he held his first speech in Germany and was sure after he got elected in the United States when he kept whispering Ďyes we caní in a hypnotics way and watched the masses repeating his mantra.
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In Germany, whenever the government begins to infringe on individual freedom, society stands up. Given our history, we Germans are not willing to trade in our liberty for potentially better security. Germans have experienced firsthand what happens when the government knows too much about someone. In the past 80 years, Germans have felt the betrayal of neighbors who informed for the Gestapo and the fear that best friends might be potential informants for the Stasi. Homes were tapped. Millions were monitored.

Although these two dictatorships, Nazi and Communist, are gone and we now live in a unified and stable democracy, we have not forgotten what happens when secret police or intelligence agencies disregard privacy. It is an integral part of our history and gives young and old alike a critical perspective on state surveillance systems.

[link to www.nytimes.com]

Cover Story: How the NSA Targets Germany and Europe


[link to www.spiegel.de]

Guardian Report: US Engaged in Vast Spying Operation on Europe

[link to www.spiegel.de]

Spying 'Out of Control': EU Official Questions Trade Negotiations


[link to www.spiegel.de]

Growing Alarm: German Prosecutors to Review Allegations of US Spying

[link to www.spiegel.de]

Transatlantic Ice Age - Important American Voices calling: Obama must explain

[link to translate.google.de]
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Yes. They are the Nazis that escaped and came to the USA to continue the war they never ended. Your problem became ours.
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I have warned if all of this and saw all the drama coming from afar of. See this Thread: US on PRISM: "Sorry, we are spying on you! Outraged? Wonder why all this is necessary? Dont worry, we'll justify this soon!"

Snowden didn't release anything those awake didint know already. The only thing new is the publicity this is getting and being pushed by the same media that covered up 9/11. You must wonder why?

The why is that this psyop will be justified soon and it is what kickstarts WW3. They only need the world to be on the same page.

I have also been updating this thread with the build up to the FF.

Thread: SNOWDEN Wild Goose Chase & Propaganda is A build up to a False Flag! UPDATED: 08/02/2013. You will be given advanced notice of the next FF event!
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The older Germans remember I'm sure but the younger generation doesn't relate to the old folks fears.
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They do. This is actually one of the things they care about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42628674


I've said this before in another thread, the Germans have not forgotten anything, they have internalized.

Why the Germans are monitored most and why the outcry from Germany is the largest?
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True.

I also suppose there is some collecting of 'useful' material involved when it comes to spying on politicians or influential people. Useful material to blackmail money or a deecsion on favour of something or someone or a secret 'delivery' of something.

Btw, numerous Bundeswehr drones have 'disappered'.;)
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The older Germans remember I'm sure but the younger generation doesn't relate to the old folks fears.
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They do. This is actually one of the things they care about.
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I've said this before in another thread, the Germans have not forgotten anything, they have internalized.

Why the Germans are monitored most and why the outcry from Germany is the largest?
 Quoting: Niemand


True.

I also suppose there is some collecting of 'useful' material involved when it comes to spying on politicians or influential people. Useful material to blackmail money or a deecsion in favour of something or someone or a secret 'delivery' of something.

Btw, numerous Bundeswehr drones have 'disappered'.;)
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Well, if the placid Germans are anything to go by, Kiwis are really really PISSED OFF!

The Americans have essentially declared war on everyone by spying on them.
They have subverted democratic nations, screwed with the financial system to bring about its collapse, and now think that every person in the world comes under their laws.

Fuck em!

America couldn't even invade Iraq properly (the English did it in 6 weeks and built schools and hospitals) the Americans brought genocide and destruction - and lost.
They've lost in Afghanistan.

What's going to happen when the fuck everyone off??

They are going to get their balls slice off.
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I didn't trust Obama when he held his first speech in Germany and was sure after he got elected in the United States when he kept whispering Ďyes we caní in a hypnotics way and watched the masses repeating his mantra.
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yeah, i know. i recognized the NLP but i stupidly voted for him in 2008 bc he was on the dem ticket and at the time (tho not now) sarah palin worried me....she was also doing NLP stuff (imho) tho to a lesser degree in the VP debate. i was wrong, but mccain has no stones either. he proved that on his trips to libya and syria and on immigration. what a fucking hosebag.
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tried to 5* this thread niemand, but i am all out (i did 5 star some other threads of yours today though :)

it's great to read this. i am so happy to hear die deutsche leute are against obama now! awesomeness.

perhaps i should look into german citizenship. at least i speak german (VERY rusty), i don't know hebrew. but, better ways to ship my pets to israel exist than germany. not sure i can stay here in the USA, we'll see. a friend is encouraging me to come back to germany. i just don't know. i have read anti-jewish sentiment is on the rise again (muslims no doubt), so this gives me pause. the winters are so dreary, but the summers soooo fantastic!

thanks again - this is great news!
 Quoting: m&m's


I would never claim that Germany is a better country than the U.S., so better stay over there. ;-) But please come for vacations, drink beer and have a fun time!

Anti-semitism you can find throughout Europe, of course even in Germany. Jews have to fear here, certainly much less than Muslims. Basically Germany is no racist society.
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You can take John Key - our Austrian Jewish American Prime Minister ...
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we have numerous traitors - as in muslim / saudi / etc. in the govt. all of them and the career politicians who vote based on fake pols and what the MSM says ALL need to be HUNG out to dry.

traitors get executed.

bradley manning is a traitor

snowden is a whistleblower

BIG DIFF

truth prevails and justice follows accordingly! thank you God!
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Niemand is a communist!
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Niemand is a communist!
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cruise

Never was, never will be!
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we have numerous traitors - as in muslim / saudi / etc. in the govt. all of them and the career politicians who vote based on fake pols and what the MSM says ALL need to be HUNG out to dry.

traitors get executed.

bradley manning is a traitor

snowden is a whistleblower

BIG DIFF

truth prevails and justice follows accordingly! thank you God!
 Quoting: m&m's


May well be that some think they are traitors, to the WORLD they are heroes anyway!
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Bradley Manning is not a traitor.
His actions saved the lives of at least 20,000 American citizens.

He upheld his Allegiance to the Constitution and People of American!

He exposed horrendous genocide and WAR CRIMES carried out by the US government.

Manning deserved a Nobel Peace Prize - not Obama!

Americans need to REVOLT and uphold their CONSTITUTION!!!
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Bradley Manning is not a traitor.
His actions saved the lives of at least 20,000 American citizens.

He upheld his Allegiance to the Constitution and People of American!

He exposed horrendous genocide and WAR CRIMES carried out by the US government.

Manning deserved a Nobel Peace Prize - not Obama!

Americans need to REVOLT and uphold their CONSTITUTION!!!
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+1
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The traitors are sitting in the Capitol. They are providing enemies (al qaeda, taliban) with weapons.
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We hate Negros.
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We hate them too - and mixed race brownies.

And we hate being spied on. I think it is time for the Right Wing to take control in Europe.
It is the only way to protect peoples privacy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1483106


When white liberals troll, people despise them even more. Get an education please, morans.

The only thing that will wake these turds is complete economic collapse. Its coming fools.
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President." - Vaclav Klaus
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The traitors are sitting in the Capitol. They are providing enemies (al qaeda, taliban) with weapons.
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Look at all the Dead Americans murdered by their own government for whistle blowing?

Michael Hastings ?

Terrible Americans!

Perhaps the Free World should start supplying weapons and logistics to US citizens to fight their Evil Regime?
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You just have to assume every countries leader is a psychopathic piece of shit, once you achieve such understanding you'll never love one again, Germany.
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My German visitor a few years back - someone I have known since the early 1970s - told me in no uncertain terms:

"Obama is the best president America has ever had, and Reagan was the worst!"


Now, this particular person tends to be dogmatic and still probably LOVES obamma.


So I am really glad to see that my beloved Germans as a group are having doubts.


Thanks for posting this, Niemand.
Now is the time.
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AC - no, i do not think niemand is a communist!

Niemand, even tho i love the summers i have usually come in time for the christmas markets. i love them! brought home an artifical christmas tree from that christmas store in the walled city. schiesse - not getting any sleep plus this infection is messing with my head....rothenburg ob den tauber....been there many times but forgot the name!
anyway...i love how beautiful germany is during this time...even in the bleak winter....gluhwein will take that all away! :)

i make traditional german food (learned to cook and bake from my german Mom), but since i am vegetarian i limited it a bit....still make spaetzle, but the gravy is vegetarian and no flesh roast! or kasespaetzle. yum. dampnudeln. i am getting hungry and homesick for heidelberg (my birthplace).

Niemand - it is not good here. this homo shit and illegal aliens and guest workers. you'd think germany would be an example of what NOT to do here in the USA re: immigration (turks, etc. in germany non-assimilation, etc.) i do not even feel at home here anymore.

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