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Serious Question. Is the French language worth learning? I don't think it is, my wife however does. I think it is because of the way it sounds

 
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Serious Question. Is the French language worth learning? I don't think it is, my wife however does. I think it is because of the way it sounds
Serious question, some french people might get pissed at me for saying I don't think their language is worth learning, but they will have to deal with it.

Have 3 kids, one is 3 and is going to be starting kindergarten not this year but the next. There is an option where to leave to send her to an elementary school, within the same school district where they will be taught completely in french. They don't start English lessons until the third grade. The schools advises parents to read to, and have the children read in English EVERYDAY however so they obviously will not be stunted in their native language development (If I am going to go through with this I will be hiring an english language tutor for private lessons)

Then in middle school they are integrated with the other elementary schools but they are able to take advanced french classes as part of their program. And then obviously in high school they have the AP french classes and what not.

I love this idea, this is a called a total immersion program. I think it is great for children's development to be coursed so well in a second language. It will literally be like having two native languages, not just able to speak or listen but have a full grasp of the entire language.

The ONLY problem I have with the program is that it is for French... outside of Francophile culture loving and literature, I absolutely see no use for this language.

If this were a Spanish, Mandarin, or even a German program I would fully support it. Actually probably even Portuguese because of Brazil or even Angola on the rise.

I just don't see how the sacrifice of literally learning in a foreign language for the first 6 years of your education is worth it if the language is not worth learning from a economic and geopolitical stand point.

So my children will speak and write in French perfectly, wow, so what are they goign to do with that being American? Move to france and have 75% of their wages taxed by the government? No thanks..

French is even dying in Canada. Immigrants don't learn French, they learn English. And Quebec's attempts at saving it are going to fail.

Any help with this? My wife is in love with the idea, but I suspect it is more of a romantic notion than a practical one...
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this is within the same public school system, same curriculum as the rest but just taught in French. It is not a charter school or private.

Was just proof reading what I wrote, should have done that before I posted... but hey, this is GLP.
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^^^ This ^^^
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If this were a Spanish, Mandarin, or even a German program I would fully support it. Actually probably even Portuguese because of Brazil or even Angola on the rise.

^^^ This ^^^
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If this were a Spanish, Mandarin, or even a German program I would fully support it. Actually probably even Portuguese because of Brazil or even Angola on the rise.

^^^ This ^^^
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Oh, thanks bud! Yea, those seem to be the important languages to me. But I am open to suggestions. If we ever get a unified Korea again by diplomatic means and not a major war, then maybe I would add Korean to the list.

Can't think of another language that is of that much use.

I tried explaining this to my wife, but she just keeps bringing up Paris, French history, French classics, French food etc. Not thinking practically, just romantically.
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What state do you live in ?
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What state do you live in ?
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I tried posting stuff in French on GLP once but it got me banned. This was viewed as ''subversive''.

I promise I will never do that again.
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What state do you live in ?
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Minnesota. Edina public school system.

Normandale is their immersion elementary school. Otherwise they would go to Concord.
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What state do you live in ?
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I tried posting stuff in French on GLP once but it got me banned. This was viewed as ''subversive''.

I promise I will never do that again.
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Are you a Québécois?

Sucks they banned you for that. Might have just gotten caught up in an IP ban that happens. But I don't know.

How is French doing in Canada? I heard it is declining... and every article I read on it mentions that "Quebec's draconian laws will not be able to save it".

But I don't know. Vacationing, moving to, or working for a company that does work in Quebec is the only use I can think of as an American learning French like this. And maybe not even if it really is on the decline.
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What state do you live in ?
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Minnesota. Edina public school system.

Normandale is their immersion elementary school. Otherwise they would go to Concord.
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I think the official motto of Minnesota is in French. You can see it on the state seal.

That might be an argument for you.
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What state do you live in ?
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Minnesota. Edina public school system.

Normandale is their immersion elementary school. Otherwise they would go to Concord.
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I think the official motto of Minnesota is in French. You can see it on the state seal.

That might be an argument for you.
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OMG, I am so ignorant. I did NOT know that!

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Are you a Québécois?

Sucks they banned you for that. Might have just gotten caught up in an IP ban that happens. But I don't know.

How is French doing in Canada? I heard it is declining... and every article I read on it mentions that "Quebec's draconian laws will not be able to save it".

But I don't know. Vacationing, moving to, or working for a company that does work in Quebec is the only use I can think of as an American learning French like this. And maybe not even if it really is on the decline.
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French is doing ok in Québec ...

There are less white people because of the immigrants though.

I think some people are confusing the decline of white French people with the decline of French as a language.
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Re: Serious Question. Is the French language worth learning? I don't think it is, my wife however does. I think it is because of the way it sounds
Well, it depends on where your interests lie. If you like philosophy or literature or cinema for instance, reading/watching some of the French greats in their native tongue is priceless (I LOVE PHILOSOPHY!). But maybe your kid has different interests, you should ask them what makes them passionate about learning and choose a language accordingly IMO. There is more to life than learning something only for economic or geopolitical purposes. Not trying to be a dick, just giving a counterpoint. There is a lot of hating on France on this website, but they have produced some of the western world's greatest minds.
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The Minnesota state motto, "L'Etoil du Nord" (the Star of the North) shows the strong influence of the French explorers and voyageurs that lived and worked in the Western Great Lakes region and vast prairie lands spreading to the Rocky Mountains.

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Well, it depends on where your interests lie. If you like philosophy or literature or cinema for instance, reading/watching some of the French greats in their native tongue is priceless (I LOVE PHILOSOPHY!). But maybe your kid has different interests, you should ask them what makes them passionate about learning and choose a language accordingly IMO. There is more to life than learning something only for economic or geopolitical purposes. Not trying to be a dick, just giving a counterpoint. There is a lot of hating on France on this website, but they have produced some of the western world's greatest minds.
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I actually completely agree with you and you are not being a dick.

I don't hate French, I am just trying to be more practical while my wife thinks exactly like you.

The problem is I can't ask the kids because my oldest one is just 3, although soon to be 4, so this would be more of a parental decision on whether to have the child be raised bilingually or not.

Not sure if it is worth the sacrifice, I would really hate myself if my child has problem with English because she was taught French for her first 6 school years.

You know what I mean? I just don't know if my children will love me or hate me. If there was a more "practical" option I would have an easier time investing in the immersion program and explaining why I chose to do it when they get older. And even now...
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thanks for everyone's input btw, i appreciate it.
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But I don't know. Vacationing, moving to, or working for a company that does work in Quebec is the only use I can think of as an American learning French like this. And maybe not even if it really is on the decline.
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It depends if you like to travel.

Belgium, Swizerland, New Brunswick, Haiti, Congo, Lebanon, Algeria, Morocco, Romania, Monaco, Andorra all have sizable French-speaking populations.
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I hate the French language.
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Some important American politicians can speak French.



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Re: Serious Question. Is the French language worth learning? I don't think it is, my wife however does. I think it is because of the way it sounds
Well, it depends on where your interests lie. If you like philosophy or literature or cinema for instance, reading/watching some of the French greats in their native tongue is priceless (I LOVE PHILOSOPHY!). But maybe your kid has different interests, you should ask them what makes them passionate about learning and choose a language accordingly IMO. There is more to life than learning something only for economic or geopolitical purposes. Not trying to be a dick, just giving a counterpoint. There is a lot of hating on France on this website, but they have produced some of the western world's greatest minds.
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I actually completely agree with you and you are not being a dick.

I don't hate French, I am just trying to be more practical while my wife thinks exactly like you.

The problem is I can't ask the kids because my oldest one is just 3, although soon to be 4, so this would be more of a parental decision on whether to have the child be raised bilingually or not.

Not sure if it is worth the sacrifice, I would really hate myself if my child has problem with English because she was taught French for her first 6 school years.

You know what I mean? I just don't know if my children will love me or hate me. If there was a more "practical" option I would have an easier time investing in the immersion program and explaining why I chose to do it when they get older. And even now...
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I should have read your opening post more carefully. My AP classes were in history and calculus, but my sister took AP french and literature and claimed it really helped her when she needed to learn spanish in her mid twenties to communicate with patients and their families at the hospital where she was employed. That is about the only practical thing it could be good for off the top of my head. You are right...in the modern world the languages of choice for business are spanish, mandarin, korean, english, and so on. Times have changed, and french is a language of culture rather than commerce in most of the world.
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French? How useful is French in the United States? I'm all for learning foreign languages, I know quite a bit of Chinese. French wouldn't make my top 5 of useful second languages to learn while living in the US.
1. Spanish (obvious considering how many Hispanics are here)
2. Chinese (probably the most popular language globally in the next 10 years)
3. Portuguese (debatable but still more useful than French)
4. German
5. Korean or Japanese (toss up here, still both more useful than French, especially in the IT field which is where most of the job growth will be over the next 10 years)

Unless you live in Quebec or plan on moving to Quebec or France I think it's a waste of time better spent learning a language you will actually be able to use later in life.
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French? How useful is French in the United States? I'm all for learning foreign languages, I know quite a bit of Chinese. French wouldn't make my top 5 of useful second languages to learn while living in the US.
1. Spanish (obvious considering how many Hispanics are here)
2. Chinese (probably the most popular language globally in the next 10 years)
3. Portuguese (debatable but still more useful than French)
4. German
5. Korean or Japanese (toss up here, still both more useful than French, especially in the IT field which is where most of the job growth will be over the next 10 years)

Unless you live in Quebec or plan on moving to Quebec or France I think it's a waste of time better spent learning a language you will actually be able to use later in life.
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I think you would be better off teaching them Russian or Chinese. After all, they will be the invading forces in America soon and it would help if someone in your family could communicate with them...maybe broker a deal for your loved ones.
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French? How useful is French in the United States? I'm all for learning foreign languages, I know quite a bit of Chinese. French wouldn't make my top 5 of useful second languages to learn while living in the US.
1. Spanish (obvious considering how many Hispanics are here)
2. Chinese (probably the most popular language globally in the next 10 years)
3. Portuguese (debatable but still more useful than French)
4. German
5. Korean or Japanese (toss up here, still both more useful than French, especially in the IT field which is where most of the job growth will be over the next 10 years)

Unless you live in Quebec or plan on moving to Quebec or France I think it's a waste of time better spent learning a language you will actually be able to use later in life.
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I think along the same lines as you. If you notice we have the same top 5 minus the Japanese alt. I am not big on Japanese, despite Japan having the world's third largest economy, because the population decline along with Japan's unwillingness to take in immigrants.
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I think you would be better off teaching them Russian or Chinese. After all, they will be the invading forces in America soon and it would help if someone in your family could communicate with them...maybe broker a deal for your loved ones.
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The Russian economy is dying and Putin is making sure it will be a dead country for probably the next century. Despite Putin's popularity on GLP.

The Russians, nor the Chinese will be invading this country.
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Should really learn Arabic or FARC
Then we would know what they were saying besides
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Should really learn Arabic or FARC
Then we would know what they were saying besides
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Arabic is a good one.
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Reading this thread makes me glad I can speak french...and italian for that matter.

The more languages you know...the better.

Knowing french makes a lot of the other latin based languages, easy to understand.
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Q: What do you call someone who speaks three languages?
A: Trilingual.

Q: What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
A: Bilingual.

Q: What do you call someone who speaks one language?
A: American.

I speak English (native), Spanish, French, and Arabic. Because I learned Spanish and French, I can muddle through written Italian and Portuguese. Put her in the school.

Once she learns a second language, others will come easily.
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Should really learn Arabic or FARC
Then we would know what they were saying besides
Death to america
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You are totally right..Spanish will be my first choice and then mandarin.

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