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URGENT: Here's What Happens If You Don't Sign Up For Obamacare

 
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I thought oboma care would be free.
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Not to sound like a bible tard or anything, but isn't there a scripture that talks about in the end time the most holy will be taxed, but last a short time? Can't remember which book, somewhere in Daniel.

With the body being the temple and all (most holy) I'd say this might just fulfill that. If someone knows the verse I'm referring to, please confirm.
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The Word

Daniel 11:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
 Quoting: TenStar'd


This already happened:

View Wesley's Notes for Daniel 11:20

11:20 A raiser of taxes - Seleucus Philopator, who peeled his subjects, and spared not to rob the temple. Within few days - For he lived not out the third part of his father's reign. Not in battle - Not by open force, but by poison.

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I beg to differ. If you read Daniel 12 (which follows 11 - da!) - there is further clarification of the time of this "raiser of taxes".
 Quoting: TenStar'd


Daniel 11 is a summary of Alexander through Antiochus. All characters and events match up.

Daniel 12 speaks of Michael and endtimes. Totally different, my friend.

Matthew Henry's Daniel Chapter 12 Bible commentary...

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The conclusion of the vision of the Scriptures of truth. (1-4) The times of the continuance of these events. (5-13)1-4. Michael signifies, "Who is like God," and his name, with the title of "the great Prince," points out the Divine Saviour. Christ stood for the children of our people in their stead as a sacrifice, bore the curse for them, to bear it from them. He stands for them in pleading for them at the throne of grace. And after the destruction of antichrist, the Lord Jesus shall stand at the latter day upon the earth; and He shall appear for the complete redemption of all his people. When God works deliverance from persecution for them, it is as life from the dead. When his gospel is preached, many who sleep in the dust, both Jews and Gentiles, shall be awakened by it out of their heathenism of Judaism. And in the end the multitude that sleep in the dust shall awake; many shall arise to life, and many to shame. There is glory reserved for all the saints in the future state, for all that are wise, wise for their souls and eternity. Those who turn many to righteousness, who turn sinners from the errors of their ways, and help to save their souls from death, #Jas 5:20|, will share in the glory of those they have helped to heaven, which will add to their own glory.

5-13 One of the angels asking how long it should be to the end of these wonders, a solemn reply is made, that it would be for a time, times, and a half, the period mentioned ch. #7:25|, and in the Revelation. It signifies 1260 prophetic days or years, beginning from the time when the power of the holy people should be scattered. The imposture of Mohammed, and the papal usurpation, began about the same time; and these were a twofold attack upon the church of God. But all will end well at last. All opposing rule, principality, and power, shall be put down, and holiness and love will triumph, and be in honour, to eternity. The end, this end, shall come. What an amazing prophecy is this, of so many varied events, and extending through so many successive ages, even to the general resurrection! Daniel must comfort himself with the pleasing prospect of his own happiness in death, in judgment, and to eternity. It is good for us all to think much of going away from this world. That must be our way; but it is our comfort that we shall not go till God calls us to another world, and till he has done with us in this world; till he says, Go thou thy way, thou hast done thy work, therefore now, go thy way, and leave it to others to take thy place. It was a comfort to Daniel, and is a comfort to all the saints, that whatever their lot is in the days of their lives, they shall have a happy lot in the end of the days. And it ought to be the great care and concern of every one of us to secure this. Then we may well be content with our present lot, and welcome the will of God. Believers are happy at all times; they rest in God by faith now, and a rest is reserved for them in heaven at last.
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Don't forget it's a tax. If you don't pay you tax on time you interest and penalty. If you still don't pay your yearly tax they come take your car and your house and your tv......then you go to Camp FeMa.....it will be called Debtors Prison....
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Seriously? Maybe I should become an illegal alien...in Canada. Or a refugee in my own country...the ussa.
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*When i mean Daniel 11 is a summary, i mean now. When he wrote it, it was prophecy.
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Maybe if more of you had UNION jobs you would already have the best healthcare and be laughing at the anti-unionists.
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What if you just don't want to enroll?

To make the reform easier to swallow, lawmakers have thrown consumers a couple of bones: For starters, the Jan. 1, 2014 deadline for enrollment is a soft one. You can start signing up when the exchange opens on Oct. 1 and you have until March 31 to enroll.

That gives people a three-month cushion to get their ducks a row. And on April 1, when the penalties begin, they start small and rise on a tiered scale up until 2016:

2014:

Families — $285 or 1% of total household income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $95 or 1% of total household income.

2015:

Families — $975 or 2% of income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $325 or 1% of income.

2016:

Families — $2,085 or 2.5% of income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $695 or 2.5% of income.
 Quoting: ***ClappaGuy***


Is that per year?
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


yes, per year but that is just a penalty---they won't actually get health coverage for this

they will still have to pay out of pocket for their health coverage ON TOP of this penalty

we have a better deal, eh?
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Do we have a better deal, well it depends, I myself don't mind socialized healthcare, even if I don't use it I don't mind helping others that can't afford it(not working), I mean do you even notice the ACC payments from your pay, Its very cheap anyway, but I guess some people hate paying for others, but at the end of the day NZ is a tight community with a small population, socialized healthcare won't work in a country as big as the USA

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According to that calculator we'll be paying 9k/yr for my husband and myself- that is 1/3 of his net pay :O
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According to that calculator we'll be paying over 12K for my wife and myself - that is over 1/3 of our net income.
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What if you just don't want to enroll?

To make the reform easier to swallow, lawmakers have thrown consumers a couple of bones: For starters, the Jan. 1, 2014 deadline for enrollment is a soft one. You can start signing up when the exchange opens on Oct. 1 and you have until March 31 to enroll.

That gives people a three-month cushion to get their ducks a row. And on April 1, when the penalties begin, they start small and rise on a tiered scale up until 2016:

2014:

Families — $285 or 1% of total household income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $95 or 1% of total household income.

2015:

Families — $975 or 2% of income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $325 or 1% of income.

2016:

Families — $2,085 or 2.5% of income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $695 or 2.5% of income.
 Quoting: ***ClappaGuy***


Is that per year?
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


yes, per year but that is just a penalty---they won't actually get health coverage for this

they will still have to pay out of pocket for their health coverage ON TOP of this penalty

we have a better deal, eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42680093


Do we have a better deal, well it depends, I myself don't mind socialized healthcare, even if I don't use it I don't mind helping others that can't afford it(not working), I mean do you even notice the ACC payments from your pay, Its very cheap anyway, but I guess some people hate paying for others, but at the end of the day NZ is a tight community with a small population, socialized healthcare won't work in a country as big as the USA
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Bless you. You are correct in your assessment. This is why i read Daniel and Revelation.
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Don't forget it's a tax. If you don't pay you tax on time you interest and penalty. If you still don't pay your yearly tax they come take your car and your house and your tv......then you go to Camp FeMa.....it will be called Debtors Prison....
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take the tv, lol, and pound it up your ass.
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Don't forget it's a tax. If you don't pay you tax on time you interest and penalty. If you still don't pay your yearly tax they come take your car and your house and your tv......then you go to Camp FeMa.....it will be called Debtors Prison....
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I can just imagine the IRS showing up at your door with shotguns because you can't afford government-forced health insurance. A tax my arse! The supreme court is a joke like the rest of the regime.
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Maybe since I'm so broke...I'll take my last $750 and incorporate myself. Then when they come after me years later (if the US is still around), I'll sue myself in Federal Court, take a bailout, keep the best stuff I have like my cat and my broken grocery cart, go bankrupt, and blame it on political persecution, then apply for refugee status in Aregentina where the ribeyes come 3" thick attached to a 24" rib bone.

I'll tell the locals stories about how good they got it.
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What if you just don't want to enroll?

To make the reform easier to swallow, lawmakers have thrown consumers a couple of bones: For starters, the Jan. 1, 2014 deadline for enrollment is a soft one. You can start signing up when the exchange opens on Oct. 1 and you have until March 31 to enroll.

That gives people a three-month cushion to get their ducks a row. And on April 1, when the penalties begin, they start small and rise on a tiered scale up until 2016:

2014:

Families — $285 or 1% of total household income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $95 or 1% of total household income.

2015:

Families — $975 or 2% of income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $325 or 1% of income.

2016:

Families — $2,085 or 2.5% of income, whichever is greater.
Individual adults — $695 or 2.5% of income.
 Quoting: ***ClappaGuy***



Thank God the world comes to an end soon!
We got a president pushing the gay agenda. Now social health care alongside government motors co.
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According to that calculator we'll be paying 9k/yr for my husband and myself- that is 1/3 of his net pay :O
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According to that calculator we'll be paying over 12K for my wife and myself - that is over 1/3 of our net income.
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I think a good solution is to practice medicine on each other, raise our own food, produce our own energy, and let the system crash and burn. The rich can hide in their panic rooms & drink the water in their swimming pools while we plot to breach their security so we can eat them.
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Again, we should all simply not file our 1040s.
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I get the point. Is driving a car without insurance irresponsible? Yes. Did more people try to get away with it before the laws were passed? Yes. Were there costs to society because of their irresponsibility? Yes.

See the analogy genious?

People who pass on costs to the rest of society because they are cheapskate losers.
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I wish to point out that there is a flaw in your analysis:

* If you do not wish to pay for auto insurance, you can simply choose to not own or operate an automobile.

* If you do not wish to pay for government mandated healthcare, you cannot simply choose to not own or operate your body.

The only exception I can think of is if you were to choose to kill yourself rather than purchase health insurance.

The latter seems rather extreme to me.

NT

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Well, I knew there would be someone here who would say that. Of course technically speaking you r right, driving is a choice, but in reality in the USA...not so much. And still the analogy of an irresponsible person willing to transfer their burden and risk to the rest of us is valid.
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Not really. I wouldn't take any corporate medical insurance for myself if it was FREE. Why? Because the fraud that is 'modern medicine' doesn't cure shit. Obama care of course won't cover my naturopathic doctor.... or alternative medicine The only interest I'd have in this is catastrophic.. again, not an option that I could findon it's own.

It just fucking never stops, does it? Our freedoms, our foods, our air, our pocket books, the lies, the wars, the false flags, the police state, the data gathering, the privacy, the public school brain washing, the propaganda, the manipulated division of the masses.

It's almost over.. just a couple more things, that lie somewhere in the pages of the Obamacare horror... forced vaccinations and the chip.

The increased IRS staff, will now be able to hunt down folks that have chosen not to file taxes because of Obamacare imo
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Hey Building 7, a really great post! Thank you for your observations.

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I wonder if all the Obama supporters saw this coming? If I remember vaguely these supporters said this wouldn't be mandatory... LOL
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Don't forget about the tears running down there face waving hope and change signs!
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so true. and nauseating. What happened to all the "stop the war" signs and bumper stickers libs?
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according to that calculator
i only make 91% of poverty level
that's below poverty level
the state i live in has declined to expand medicaide
my premium for myself will be over 8K a year
i do not qualify for a subsidy, cause i'm poor i guess..lol

that's 84% of my sad little income that they want for insurance
it's not gonna happen
they'll take my tiny lil tax refund the first year for the penalty
the second year....i dunno
this is insane
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Thanks Tesla hf
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Obama and the shit for brains congress that passed the fucking mess without even looking at it need to be tarred and feathered and run out of D.C.

They can take that stupid shit and stuff it square up their ass.

I did medical practice management consulting for 10 years. The problem with the healthcare system is not addressed at all in that dumb ass law. If anything the stupid bastards are making it worse.

How the fuck do these brainless assholes get in charge I will never figure out.
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If you type in "Obamacare sucks" into Google it comes up with 764,000 results.

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The issue is cost. Unemployed people simply can't afford so-called "health insurance". We need to go back to a reasonable pay as you go healthcare system. I cannot believe that I am going to actually be fined next year for not buying something I can't afford. You know that thing called "the singularity"? Well, we haven't reached that yet. But we have reached The Ridiculosity.

I refuse to pay this fine.
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To make this more clear...

If your a SINGLE person

In 2014 if you don't have Health Insurance you will have to pay a 95 dollar penalty.

In 2015 it will increase to a 325 dollar penalty

In 2016 it will jump to $695

What the crap?
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Boiling frogs anyone ?
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Under the new scheme will there still be the same trouble with getting cover?

There are quite a few reports of people being denied cover for silly thing, and in some cases you have to pay more for pre-existing conditions.

In NZ you are covered no questions asked no matter how you got injured and you are covered regardless of any pre existing condition and you don't need to pay extra if so.

Will this address those problems, or is it just a scam to make it compulsory to have insurance, but you are still not guaranteed to get covered as the main goal of the insurance company is profit.

Sorry for the silly questions, but trying to find straight info about the bill online is hard, nearly every site has a different idea on how it works, Just hoping for some GLP input.
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According to that calculator we'll be paying 9k/yr for my husband and myself- that is 1/3 of his net pay :O
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According to that calculator we'll be paying over 12K for my wife and myself - that is over 1/3 of our net income.
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How does all this effect the Vets with there VA System?

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and the scam will go on

becaouse even if buy an insurance the companies will do anything possible to not pay you services.

so you will be practically without an insurance anyway
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*When i mean Daniel 11 is a summary, i mean now. When he wrote it, it was prophecy.
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Well AC 39092863
Thanks for the the sidebar discussion. I am of the open minded set and you may have given me some food for thought....
perhaps Daniel 11 has already happened.
Perhaps also, it is happening again.
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To make this more clear...

If your a SINGLE person

In 2014 if you don't have Health Insurance you will have to pay a 95 dollar penalty.

In 2015 it will increase to a 325 dollar penalty

In 2016 it will jump to $695

What the crap?
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FUCK THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM.

I OPT OUT OF THE MATRIX.

FUCK IT ALL.

I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

TAKE YOUR MARK OF THE BEAST AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS.
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Actually I'm happy about this.

I fought and argued with ignorant ass people who called me a racist and a tea party asshole for not wanting Obama Care.

I told them its going to cost them out of their pockets and they would be paying monthly ...huge amounts.....

The only way to wake these fuckers up is to have it actually happen then tell them "I fucking told you so" And they won't have anybody to blame because Obama will have been in 6 years....Can't blame Bush. Can't blame the republicans because not 1 single republican vote is on the Obama Care bill. Not a single one. This is 100% owned by the Democrats. They cannot get out of this one.

And just wait until 2015 when their electric rates double.

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By the time Obama gets done, we won't have shit left to spend.

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according to that calculator
i only make 91% of poverty level
that's below poverty level
the state i live in has declined to expand medicaide
my premium for myself will be over 8K a year
i do not qualify for a subsidy, cause i'm poor i guess..lol

that's 84% of my sad little income that they want for insurance
it's not gonna happen
they'll take my tiny lil tax refund the first year for the penalty
the second year....i dunno
this is insane
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I found this that may apply in your situation-it seems the hinging point in the bill is if your employer has 50 or more employers.
The law is complicated, but essentially companies with 50 or more full-time workers are required to offer coverage that meets certain basic standards and costs no more than 9.5 percent of an employee’s income. Failure to do so means fines for the employer. (Full-time work is defined as 30 or more hours a week, on average.)

But do the math from the worker’s side: For an employee making $21,000 a year, 9.5 percent of their income could mean premiums as high as $1,995 and the insurance would still be considered affordable.

Even a premium of $1,000 — close to the current average for employee-only coverage — could be unaffordable for someone stretching earnings in the low $20,000′s.

With such a small income, “there is just not any left over for health insurance,” said Shannon Demaree, head of actuarial services for the Lockton Benefit Group. “What the government is requiring employers to do isn’t really something their low-paid employees want.”

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This should mean you would get credits to help also since your still below the poverty line. As long as you don't decline coverage then your on your own.

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This is so completely insane!!!!!! But then again 43% didn't even know it was law! 5 stars , pin requested!
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The Obama supporters will continue to get free healthcare. It won't effect them at all.

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