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Anonymous Coward User ID: 41453006 United States 07/01/2013 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Health insurance calculator tells you what you will have to pay based on income and age: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9830530 [link to kff.org] $2100 a month! Oh yeah, and that is for the "bronze package" and we're in our THIRTIES!!!! OMFG! That calculator seriously asked me how many of my children smoked lololololl |
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jpop User ID: 32408217 United States 07/01/2013 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To make this more clear... Quoting: ***ClappaGuy*** If your a SINGLE person In 2014 if you don't have Health Insurance you will have to pay a 95 dollar penalty. In 2015 it will increase to a 325 dollar penalty In 2016 it will jump to $695 What the crap? Or 1% of your income which ever is GREATER. For a $95.00 penalty, you would only make $9500.00 a year; otherwise you pay more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1044117 United States 07/01/2013 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is so completely insane!!!!!! But then again 43% didn't even know it was law! 5 stars , pin requested! Quoting: GT500 100% of congress probably didn't know what was in the bill before they passed it! /crusty pelosi Yes, "We have to pass it to know what's in it. " M.Pelosi Sounds like a stool sample. |
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The Norwalk Avenger User ID: 2079719 United States 07/01/2013 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is so completely insane!!!!!! But then again 43% didn't even know it was law! 5 stars , pin requested! Quoting: GT500 100% of congress probably didn't know what was in the bill before they passed it! /crusty pelosi Wrong... they DID know. That's what makes this so egregious. -N- Reclaim the Present from Apathy and Despair Care without Hope, Hope without Care |
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Phenomenon User ID: 8361466 United States 07/01/2013 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You idiots think it's more responsible for uninsured to pay nothing, take their chances then stick the rest of us with the bill when they show up in the emergency room? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42326624 I thought all u red staters believed in personal responsibility, individuals paying their own way. So now they are required by law to pay for their own health care insurance. Confused on your way of thinking. I have no insurance but had to bring my baby to the doctor. I don't see you having to pay my bill, just as when I was insured I don't recall paying anyone elses doctor bill. I will have to pay it when I get it, and I guarantee it will be cheaper than insurance charges me a month. I can't afford insurance, so I will never be insured again. I do believe me working to support my children and going without insurance is a lot better than sitting at home on my butt and having the govt pay to feed us and pay our insurance. |
Nikola Tesla User ID: 32247584 United States 07/01/2013 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ^^^ This!!! "One person with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson "You’ve heard that we are what we eat. But we also are what we think". “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -William F. Buckley Jr. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41952968 United States 07/01/2013 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How the eff is this going to help uninsured Americans??? If they can't afford the Zerocare premiums they will still have to pay the retarded fine and they STILL won't have health insurance. Will the IRS keep the penalties in an account for each family and then allow them to use it as a type of health savings account for medical care down the road as needed? I don't think so. This whole cluseterfuck was designed to further screw the middle class. The leeches of society qualify for the dole aka medicaid and the wealthy can afford to pay whatever for insurance premiums. And I am tired of stupid bastards saying "well Europe has socialized medicine, look how great it works there." This is NOT European style socialized medicine. In Europe everyone, regardless of income, can use the socialized system. In this country under this clusterfuck only the leeches get to use the system for "free." Everyone else has to pay out the ass or get fucked with a penalty in the form of a tax and they STILL won't health insurance at the end of the day. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32552423 United States 07/01/2013 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where is the ObamaCARE ? All I see is a law. I don't see any care , it is just a mandate of enforced insurance coverage as some states have enforced auto insurance. And where is the money going from the penalties ? And where is the help for people who couldn't afford health insurance in the first place. ObaMANDATE |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1696419 United States 07/01/2013 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget it's a tax. If you don't pay you tax on time you interest and penalty. If you still don't pay your yearly tax they come take your car and your house and your tv......then you go to Camp FeMa.....it will be called Debtors Prison.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34264763 I can just imagine the IRS showing up at your door with shotguns because you can't afford government-forced health insurance. A tax my arse! The supreme court is a joke like the rest of the regime. The word is that Just-Us Roberts was blackmailed by the Goobermint using NSA data, with threats to his family unless he saw things the way that the PTB wanted the decision to go. So the message was do as we wish or we will destroy you and your family. Nice isn't it? NT Yup I heard about that. It has Valerie Jarrett written all over it. I suppose he had no choice. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 41952968 United States 07/01/2013 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To make this more clear... Quoting: ***ClappaGuy*** If your a SINGLE person In 2014 if you don't have Health Insurance you will have to pay a 95 dollar penalty. In 2015 it will increase to a 325 dollar penalty In 2016 it will jump to $695 What the crap? Actually is $95 OR 1% of household income, whichever is GREATER. It's $95, $325 and $695 or 1%, 2% or 2.5% of household income, whichever is GREATER. If you make $40,000 a year you will owe $400 the first year, $800 the next and $1000 the next. The article does not say if the % jumps again after year 3. Even if it does not jump based on the way this clusterfuck is written today you can bet your ass it will since this is an easy way for the gov to extort more tax money from the public. |
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Ghost Avatar User ID: 42643339 United States 07/01/2013 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a question here.. Wouldn't it be a in-direct if the people pay different amounts per their income?.. Quoting: Ghost Avatar 42643339 Can you help me out on that.. Thanks Although I believe all income tax is illegal and as you say corporate tax is legal which is how I see it myself.----- The principle to keep your eye on is not the cost itself, but the authority upon which the tax rests. All indirect taxes, specifically were on market goods coming into the country, or specific goods/items in commerce which like booze pass over state lines. Indirect literally means--- if you do mot purchase the item-- no tax liability can arise--- the merchant collects the tax on sold items--- no sell no tax--- what money you have or earn makes no difference on the tax so added. People need to avoid calling money from wages income, it is easy to fall into the trap of language, the IRS reg.'s are written to make that mistake even easier. Agreed with the tax on sales and, no sale no tax thing. so your saying I have the two backwards form direct and indirect taxes.. or, the gov't is forcing an indirect tax on us? People have been taught that a direct tax is a power of Congress, on people[capitation]--- if this was true from the beginning no 16th amendment was ever needed. The incomes tax is on corporation privileges, where the Income is the measure not the tax itself. The government has no authority to levy an indirect tax on people as IF it was Direct--- unconstitutional--- which is why it is wrapped language-wise around the word Taxpayer, to purposely confuse the actual taxing power itself. The tax is not enforceable as written on any NONtaxpayer-- Congress has no authority to write any law which violates the unalienable Rights, but they can write policy... which people then need to distinguish from Law. The gov. hates people who do this, but too bad. A genuine Direct tax authority ON People does not exist, unless applied by Census and apportionment and only then as a measure to be sent to the States. The income tax is a special excise on corporate privileges, buying insurance is not a privilege. Having good health is not exactly a Right, or a privilege and either way is not subject to any authority of Congress--- which does not control peoples health. This is an absurdity. Do they push a magic button which makes people suddenly more healthy? Congress, only has authority over what it creates. A mans health is not in any taxing category, but insurance is a service which crosses state lines. This is just more manipulation by language not any desire to help people, or they would have tackled the real cause of rising costs... drug companies for instance and their monopolies of pricing control. That is the other factor which is odious, they want money for nothing and there is no provision which is going to stop the inflation of costs, thus higher medical costs to the insured will just go up. There are better ways to make health care more affordable, but that is not the goal here... it is just another scam to make people pay more in taxes and get very little of anything in return. Uniform taxes like sales tax are fixed per item, and uniform by application. They cannot charge you a higher tax for smokes than the guy before you and cannot change the rules to give tax breaks to create privileges. Or so it is intended by principle. Crooked governments are of course notorious for not giving a damn for distinctions. |
Ghost Avatar User ID: 42643339 United States 07/01/2013 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a question here.. Wouldn't it be a in-direct if the people pay different amounts per their income?.. Quoting: Ghost Avatar 42643339 Can you help me out on that.. Thanks Although I believe all income tax is illegal and as you say corporate tax is legal which is how I see it myself.----- The principle to keep your eye on is not the cost itself, but the authority upon which the tax rests. All indirect taxes, specifically were on market goods coming into the country, or specific goods/items in commerce which like booze pass over state lines. Indirect literally means--- if you do mot purchase the item-- no tax liability can arise--- the merchant collects the tax on sold items--- no sell no tax--- what money you have or earn makes no difference on the tax so added. People need to avoid calling money from wages income, it is easy to fall into the trap of language, the IRS reg.'s are written to make that mistake even easier. Agreed with the tax on sales and, no sale no tax thing. so your saying I have the two backwards form direct and indirect taxes.. or, the gov't is forcing an indirect tax on us? People have been taught that a direct tax is a power of Congress, on people[capitation]--- if this was true from the beginning no 16th amendment was ever needed. The incomes tax is on corporation privileges, where the Income is the measure not the tax itself. The government has no authority to levy an indirect tax on people as IF it was Direct--- unconstitutional--- which is why it is wrapped language-wise around the word Taxpayer, to purposely confuse the actual taxing power itself. The tax is not enforceable as written on any NONtaxpayer-- Congress has no authority to write any law which violates the unalienable Rights, but they can write policy... which people then need to distinguish from Law. The gov. hates people who do this, but too bad. A genuine Direct tax authority ON People does not exist, unless applied by Census and apportionment and only then as a measure to be sent to the States. The income tax is a special excise on corporate privileges, buying insurance is not a privilege. Having good health is not exactly a Right, or a privilege and either way is not subject to any authority of Congress--- which does not control peoples health. This is an absurdity. Do they push a magic button which makes people suddenly more healthy? Congress, only has authority over what it creates. A mans health is not in any taxing category, but insurance is a service which crosses state lines. This is just more manipulation by language not any desire to help people, or they would have tackled the real cause of rising costs... drug companies for instance and their monopolies of pricing control. That is the other factor which is odious, they want money for nothing and there is no provision which is going to stop the inflation of costs, thus higher medical costs to the insured will just go up. There are better ways to make health care more affordable, but that is not the goal here... it is just another scam to make people pay more in taxes and get very little of anything in return. Uniform taxes like sales tax are fixed per item, and uniform by application. They cannot charge you a higher tax for smokes than the guy before you and cannot change the rules to give tax breaks to create privileges. Or so it is intended by principle. Crooked governments are of course notorious for not giving a damn for distinctions. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42624243 United States 07/01/2013 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget it's a tax. If you don't pay you tax on time you interest and penalty. If you still don't pay your yearly tax they come take your car and your house and your tv......then you go to Camp FeMa.....it will be called Debtors Prison.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34264763 I have no intention of having anything to do with this obamascare crap. No, I WILL NOT PAY. I don't believe in medical insurance, and I don't believe in care by organized medicine. That's MY CHOICE as a free American. Read the fine print, and read it carefully. There are NO options to collect the "penalty" other than intercepting any "refund". If you arrange your income(if any) and withholding properly, you will owe the IRS, not the other way around. Interest and penalties on an unpaid "penalty" are specifically prohibited in the law. This means that as long as you don't allow any of your payment to go to the "penalty"(do this in writing), then they are SOL. Eventually this bunch of DC losers will have to capitulate to those who ignore them. Until then, stay smart and keep your own counsel. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1044117 United States 07/01/2013 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who planned this have to know what we are thinking, (and they probably do) so you would think they already have a contingency in place, just in case things don't work out the way they wanted. Our discussions here and on other sites provide good insight into the minds of those who oppose this regime. We can only guess how far they will take this. |
davvi User ID: 3677166 United States 07/01/2013 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget it's a tax. If you don't pay you tax on time you interest and penalty. If you still don't pay your yearly tax they come take your car and your house and your tv......then you go to Camp FeMa.....it will be called Debtors Prison.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34264763 I can just imagine the IRS showing up at your door with shotguns because you can't afford government-forced health insurance. A tax my arse! The supreme court is a joke like the rest of the regime. The word is that Just-Us Roberts was blackmailed by the Goobermint using NSA data, with threats to his family unless he saw things the way that the PTB wanted the decision to go. So the message was do as we wish or we will destroy you and your family. Nice isn't it? NT Yup I heard about that. It has Valerie Jarrett written all over it. I suppose he had no choice. Also the interest rate on student loans just doubled today and I hear that dems want it to help fund Obamacare. “Rates are going up, and the tuition is going up so [students] have to pay back more at a higher rate … all because of something young people had nothing to do with — and that’s the passage of ObamaCare,” McConnell said on the Senate floor. McConnell said that part of the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare “abolished the student loan program.” As part of the healthcare law, Congress stopped allowing private banks to provide student loans. All student loans are now federal loans, which McConnell argues has led to higher rates." Read more: [link to thehill.com] Democraps want the issue to blame on republicans right before 2014... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42624243 United States 07/01/2013 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget it's a tax. If you don't pay you tax on time you interest and penalty. If you still don't pay your yearly tax they come take your car and your house and your tv......then you go to Camp FeMa.....it will be called Debtors Prison.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34264763 I have no intention of having anything to do with this obamascare crap. No, I WILL NOT PAY. I don't believe in medical insurance, and I don't believe in care by organized medicine. That's MY CHOICE as a free American. Read the fine print, and read it carefully. There are NO options to collect the "penalty" other than intercepting any "refund". If you arrange your income(if any) and withholding properly, you will owe the IRS, not the other way around. Interest and penalties on an unpaid "penalty" are specifically prohibited in the law. This means that as long as you don't allow any of your payment to go to the "penalty"(do this in writing), then they are SOL. Eventually this bunch of DC losers will have to capitulate to those who ignore them. Until then, stay smart and keep your own counsel. Clarification: Interest and penalties are specifically prohibited on an unpaid OBAMASCARE penalty. Other penalties are another story. |
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