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Shocking Plane Radiation on Flight from Chile to US (with pics)

 
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Just like the epa came in and told all the now dead 911 rescuers the air was safe.
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Don' worry 'bout it...radiation is good for you
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why japon is so retarded and cant fix that fukushit
you killing whole world
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You are not in the position to call Japan out,
your process of burning the Jungle is much more harmful
than the release of Radioactivity in F'Shima!

But all this is stupid, it is up to us to change
all this bad things, Nuclear Energy, burning the
last Jungle, Uranium Mining in Oz and Canada,
Fracking und Fluoridation of the Water Supply in the US
all this need to change!

Realization, Analyzation and Education is needed!

There is no massive increased Radioactivity in the Global Scale
because of Fukushima, the problem is relative Local!

Please educate yourself and stop to listen to the Fearmongols
and Shiteheadz, this are the real Shills who do not want
that you, you and you waking up!
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Yes you are right, i aplogize my inmaturity lashing out at you. and yes, it's really the money trails from the GE owners of TEPCO, and the YEN trails, to a dark cabal, and the corruption, and of course, just HOW, was the the (DOUBLE 9.2 EARTHQUAKE) INITIATED)? what do you believe? peace
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Was already provided,
but us, the Shills, are nice People and give it to you
one more Time, now it is up to Uuuuuuuu:
[link to cordis.europa.eu]

This is Pre-Fukushima!
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whateverwtf Yep, RAMEN NOODLES STUCK IN "PRE FUKUSHIMA PRE SCHOOL"..IDIOT...GET YOUR ASS ON THE INTERNET, SHRIMP-FUCK!babystarwars
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C'mon, discuss at least on a Level which is normal for the Kindergarten
and not that cheap, Fluoride-Victim!
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Ok, i never did state, that 'Cosmic radiation" is not existent, or that it is similar to the reading offered, on that meter pictured, onset of thread. my issue is this: TEPCO OWNERS, MONEY TRAILS, AND ELITE CABAL, BLEW SOMETHING UP, UNDER YOUR COUNTRY, OFF SHORE. AND THE RESULT IS: 10,000'S OF DEATHS, IN JAPAN, disablement and radiation sickness to your neighbors BABIES, CHILDREN,...and polluted PACIFIC WATERS. salmon, crab, and other fishing, shrimp, radioactive at levels that sicken the uneducated consumers. and a corporate led, fascist led, TEPCO SCANDAL, that merely attempts, to cover it all up. AND IT IS ALREADY PROVEN, that numerous airlines personnel, have been sickened, have had to be fired, and now have radiation illness, of all kinds. Your document, has MERIT, but what the initial concept here is, the reality, of hot particles, STUCK, in airline filtration systems, lack of maintenance, ignorance of testing for it, and a evil global cabal, that is hell bent, on attempting any kind of disaster that kills human life!burnitpeace
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Provide Sources for your Claims,
i will look into it and may change my Opinion,
i can't offer you more!

(for the Issue of the Air-Traffic Personal)
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Government studies on cumulative radiation exposure on unknowing exposed civilian lab rats on passenger planes. I think they probably are doing something to all the schmucks that go on these cruise ships as well. Probably viral dispersion modalities and the long term effects of said viruses.
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1,200 CPM on the meter (for Cs137) is about 1 mR/hr (milliRad per hour).

Days to receive dose for increase cancer risk of 1 in a 1,000
432 (at 100 CPM)
86 (at 500 CPM)
28 (at 1,500 CPM)
4 (at 10,000 CPM)


Days compared with the avg. annual human exposure (U.S.)
207 (at 100 CPM)
42 (at 500 CPM)
14 (at 1,500 CPM)
2 (at 10,000 CPM)



So not so shocking afterall?
 Quoting: AlterEgo


This is due to increased cosmic radiation due to flying high into the atmosphere of the Earth with less atmospheric shielding in place. This is not new knowledge; you can equate ~1000 cpm to ~ 1 mR/hr (very roughly) -- the average person on Earth receives 600 mR/year (pre Fukushima data of course) which equates to .07 mR/hr - so this particular flight was experiencing 10x background.

For clarity's sake: say one flies 15 times in a year at 3 hrs a flight at 10x background radiation levels seen here. Their total flight exposure for the year would be 1 mR/hr x 45 hrs = 45 mR/hr + 610.7 mR average background for the remainder of the year for a total of 656 mR , an increase of 9% for the course of the year - negligible results.

I believe that pilots and flight attendants wear radiation film badges so that their exposures can be monitored by FAA Radiation Safety Officers -- in this case if they were in the air 50% of the year (which of course they are not)they would have a result of ~4000 mR/yr = 4.0 REM/year which is still under the allowed exposure set by the NRC for workers - which in itself has an embeded safety factor.

DOT allows radiation transport measurements up to 2 mR/hr in the cab of the carrier vehicle.

Also, Id like to see if this instrument is properly calibrated....

Not shilling just stating the facts.

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Thanks for your answer.
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Just like the epa came in and told all the now dead 911 rescuers the air was safe.
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Yes they did. History repeats.

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Another alarmist thread from an OP that knows bugger all about radiation that occurs in the natural world.
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How many mR/hr (alpha,beta,gamma,or x ray) could be considered unsafe for continuous exposure?
A
First of all, the units, mR/hr apply only to gamma or x radiation. However, the same question could be posed in terms of dose equivalent rate, mrem/hr, which is applicable to all types of ionizing radiation. As a matter of reference, an exposure of 1 mR gamma or x radiation results in a dose equivalent of approximately 1 mrem (with a small variation depending upon the energy and irradiation conditions). The current regulatory occupational exposure limit in the United States is 5000 mrem per year. If continuous exposure is interpreted as 2000 working hours per year, this translates into 2.5 mrem/hr for radiation workers. However, occupational exposures should be kept as low as reasonably achievable with 5000 mrem/yr as a regulatory upper limit. This does not necessarily mean that radiation does in excess of 5000 mrm/yr are unsafe for radiation workers, but this is the limit applied for regulatory purposes. Because of factors such as the general population being more heterogeneous and containing individuals of all ages and conditions of health, the regulatory limit is lower than for occupational exposure. The limit for radiation delivered in addition to the natural background radiation to individuals of the general public is 500 mrem in any one year and 100 mrem/yr on a prolonged basis. If we interpret continuous exposure as 8766 hours per year (24 hrs/day x 365.25 days/yr), 100 mrem/yr translates to 0.011 mrem/hr or 11 microrem/hr. This would be in addition to the natural background radiation which is quite variable but which averages about 300 mrem/yr or 34 microrem/hr. This does not necessarily mean that radiation doses in excess of 500 mrem in a single year of 100 mrem on a prolonged basis are unsafe when added to the pre-existing natural background but rather these are the limits accepted for regulatory purposes. Charles E. Roessler, CHP, PhD
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Thank-you Dr. Roessler!
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okay i'm just putting this out here cause some of you are starting to freak out because you are too stupid to operate a piece of specialized equipment...

Geiger Counters need a lot of maintenance...They need to be thoroughly calibrated and then checked against a control source then calibrated again...then they need to be maintained constantly...Most counters are old and/or super cheap...if its made anywhere but here it probably will never work right anyway...

I learned all this from a former Navy Officer from nuclear class destroyer who answered my questions over a beer
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The RadAlert Inspector is an expensive piece of equipment. I know the people who developed this equipment, and have several of the "cheaper version". Each of those cost over $500 each.
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1,200 CPM on the meter (for Cs137) is about 1 mR/hr (milliRad per hour).

Days to receive dose for increase cancer risk of 1 in a 1,000
432 (at 100 CPM)
86 (at 500 CPM)
28 (at 1,500 CPM)
4 (at 10,000 CPM)


Days compared with the avg. annual human exposure (U.S.)
207 (at 100 CPM)
42 (at 500 CPM)
14 (at 1,500 CPM)
2 (at 10,000 CPM)



So not so shocking afterall?
 Quoting: AlterEgo


Not shocking at all, in fact, those photos in your OP actually confirm what the EPA says about it.

"The amount of cosmic radiation you are exposed to while flying depends on your altitude and latitude (distance from the Earth’s equator) and solar activity. For a typical cross-country flight in a commercial airplane, you are likely to receive 2 to 5 millirem (mrem) of radiation, less than half the radiation dose you receive from a chest x-ray. "

What that Geiger counter can not tell you is what source of the radiation is.

**Edit:
Of course, I still don't fly. 1/2 a chest x-ray per flight is more than I am willing to do.

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. double post

Last Edited by Rabid Wolf on 07/02/2013 02:33 PM
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1,200 CPM on the meter (for Cs137) is about 1 mR/hr (milliRad per hour).

Days to receive dose for increase cancer risk of 1 in a 1,000
432 (at 100 CPM)
86 (at 500 CPM)
28 (at 1,500 CPM)
4 (at 10,000 CPM)


Days compared with the avg. annual human exposure (U.S.)
207 (at 100 CPM)
42 (at 500 CPM)
14 (at 1,500 CPM)
2 (at 10,000 CPM)



So not so shocking afterall?
 Quoting: AlterEgo


Not shocking at all, in fact, those photos in your OP actually confirm what the EPA says about it.

"The amount of cosmic radiation you are exposed to while flying depends on your altitude and latitude (distance from the Earth’s equator) and solar activity. For a typical cross-country flight in a commercial airplane, you are likely to receive 2 to 5 millirem (mrem) of radiation, less than half the radiation dose you receive from a chest x-ray. "

What that Geiger counter can not tell you is what source of the radiation is.
 Quoting: Rabid Wolf


Tokyo Seattle, Honolulu, Anchorage, Portland, all of these hubs and more, have had both,; private, and state and federal testing performed. i will believe, cite the "responsible, private, and nuclear physics professional personnel", results. many luggage objects, composite and metal surfaces have been tested around airports. meanwhile, the Obummer admin, continues, to ALLOW, raising the safety levels in food, water, and testing parameters. EPA, just go to [link to naturalnews.com,] and look up the Fukushima nuclear accident, archives/ articles. simple.bump
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okay i'm just putting this out here cause some of you are starting to freak out because you are too stupid to operate a piece of specialized equipment...

Geiger Counters need a lot of maintenance...They need to be thoroughly calibrated and then checked against a control source then calibrated again...then they need to be maintained constantly...Most counters are old and/or super cheap...if its made anywhere but here it probably will never work right anyway...

I learned all this from a former Navy Officer from nuclear class destroyer who answered my questions over a beer
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The RadAlert Inspector is an expensive piece of equipment. I know the people who developed this equipment, and have several of the "cheaper version". Each of those cost over $500 each.
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Good point. !
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Part 2 of the vid posted earlier:

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The fucks just don't want people to have radiation detectors so they know they are being poisoned.
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. double post
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[link to www.wilderutopia.com] This professional, has done more than most to prove, what has actually happened, please consider his work! Aloha!hf
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[link to fairewinds.org] Hope this helps.....yoda
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[link to fairewinds.org] Hope this helps.....yoda
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My wifes just suggested we have a panic shag before my old man drops off !!!!!!!!!!sideways
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1,200 CPM on the meter (for Cs137) is about 1 mR/hr (milliRad per hour).

Days to receive dose for increase cancer risk of 1 in a 1,000
432 (at 100 CPM)
86 (at 500 CPM)
28 (at 1,500 CPM)
4 (at 10,000 CPM)


Days compared with the avg. annual human exposure (U.S.)
207 (at 100 CPM)
42 (at 500 CPM)
14 (at 1,500 CPM)
2 (at 10,000 CPM)



So not so shocking afterall?
 Quoting: AlterEgo


For interest:

[link to www.hps.org]

•Average annual cosmic ray dose for long-distance flight captains was 219 mrem.
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OK, if that were the case, would we not be seeing airline crews getting lethal doses and becoming ill?

Is his geiger counter been calibrated? Was it calibrated properly?

What goes up, must come down. If this is true, we are all dead
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CPM readings alone are not a good way to measure.
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Another alarmist thread from an OP that knows bugger all about radiation that occurs in the natural world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7093074


okay i'm just putting this out here cause some of you are starting to freak out because you are too stupid to operate a piece of specialized equipment...

Geiger Counters need a lot of maintenance...They need to be thoroughly calibrated and then checked against a control source then calibrated again...then they need to be maintained constantly...Most counters are old and/or super cheap...if its made anywhere but here it probably will never work right anyway...

I learned all this from a former Navy Officer from nuclear class destroyer who answered my questions over a beer
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4 dollars for u..and u..and u..!!

great job today shills..TEPCO IS PROUD OF U!!

what do think Madden took buses to all the games he announcedyeahsure?
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1,200 CPM on the meter (for Cs137) is about 1 mR/hr (milliRad per hour).

Days to receive dose for increase cancer risk of 1 in a 1,000
432 (at 100 CPM)
86 (at 500 CPM)
28 (at 1,500 CPM)
4 (at 10,000 CPM)


Days compared with the avg. annual human exposure (U.S.)
207 (at 100 CPM)
42 (at 500 CPM)
14 (at 1,500 CPM)
2 (at 10,000 CPM)



So not so shocking afterall?
 Quoting: AlterEgo


For interest:

[link to www.hps.org]

•Average annual cosmic ray dose for long-distance flight captains was 219 mrem.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9744765


More of that Source:

Bottollier-Depois JF et al. Assessing exposure to cosmic radiation during long-haul flights. Radiat Res 153(5 Pt. 1):526-32; 2000.

The lowest dose rate measured was 0.3 mrem per hour during a Paris-Buenos Aires flight.

The highest rates were 0.66 mrem per hour during a Paris-Tokyo flight and 0.97 mrem per hour on the Concorde in 1996-1997.

The corresponding annual effective dose, based on 700 hours of flight for subsonic aircraft and 300 hours for the Concorde, can be estimated at between 200 mrem for the least exposed routes and 500 mrem for the more exposed routes.

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Wait a minute. Aren't airplane cabins pressurized with self contained oxygen? So the radiation penetrates the aircraft?
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I have not been in a jet in years... and dont ever plan on it
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Wait a minute. Aren't airplane cabins pressurized with self contained oxygen? So the radiation penetrates the aircraft?
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Ping Pong, Ping Pong

and only Gamma-Radiation is able to do so!
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Wait a minute. Aren't airplane cabins pressurized with self contained oxygen? So the radiation penetrates the aircraft?
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No, and cosmic radiation is not some airborne substance that you breathe in. It will penetrate the skin of the aircraft directly. Our thick atmosphere normally attenuates it (and technically so does the aircraft's skin), but much of the atmospheric attenuation is lost when you're flying at altitude.
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[link to fairewinds.org] Hope this helps.....yoda
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Is not All adult citizens, TEPCO, FUCKING GENERAL ELECTRIC, and everyone responsible, for the misery we have placed on little children, babes, and there future? what about when the children fly, and there health after the flight? does anyone care?hf





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