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Kai D Kravit (VALIS) User ID: 5894344 United States 07/02/2013 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | - New evidence suggests that carbon-based DNA (OUR DNA) actually dates back to over 8 billion years old. - The Earth is only around 4.7 billion years old. - Science's general consensus is that the first unicellular prokaryotic carbon-based forms got to this planet by way of space travel (whether that be planet hopping on asteroids, space floating like "water bears," or wormholes All this information leads us to several close-to-certain conclusions: 1. Our predecessors almost DEFINITELY did NOT start on Earth 2. The prokaryotic carbon-based cells are suited for space travel 3. They either happened randomly upon this planet or we were "seeded" With these safe assumptions, it is logical to assume that these prokaryotic cells are and have been (FOR A LONG TIME) floating around space and landing anywhere that is suited to carbon-based evolution. It happened TWICE just on this planet. One evolution chain on the surface, spawning from photosynthetic unicellular life and one at the bottom of the oceans, spawned from chemosynthetic unicellular things. It is likely that (and this is excluding all the other potential unknown types of life out there, not to mention things that may exist outside of this dimensional plane) there are literally BILLIONS of planets out there supporting chains of life from the same DNA strands that found their way here. Remember, we're talking about a space that (so far as we know) is infinitely expansive. Of course there are unlimited planets that could support extraterrestrial life. In the end it would only be illogical to assume otherwise. Kai D Kravit (VALIS) |
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curry nosher User ID: 42672147 Nepal 07/02/2013 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know from what i have seen with my own eyes that most of you are wrong and that life exists beyond earth and we are being visited all the time. I dont have to xplain those that know will know im not bsing. We are unique but only in the same way other civilisations are unique.life is everywhere. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42579942 United Kingdom 07/02/2013 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It life but not as we know it. What makes people think it is life as WE know it, life could be something completely different, existing in conditions which we wouldn't survive. Yet these conditions are natural just as life on the bottom of the oceans living under pressures which would crush us. |
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Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 07/02/2013 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 60 billion seems to me to be a tiny number considering that there are hundred of billions of galaxies with hundred of billions of stars each. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25050963 yep. it's far higher than that Read the link before commenting about it being "low." "The Milky Way alone may host 60 billion such planets around faint red dwarf stars, a new estimate suggests." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 38124277 United States 07/02/2013 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No it isn't. Every known scientific fact tells us life only exists on Earth, and supports the law of biogenesis: that life only comes from other life. It doesn't spontaneously generate all over space like Star Trek pseudo-science would have you believe. The simple act of a comet impact releasing amino acids is enough for me to determine that. Quoting: Waterbug Life requires an intelligent designer. That designer is God, who created the universe to support the Earth. Earth is the only place with life. Deal with it. There's no God you fruitcake. Life DOES NOT REQUIRE an intelligent designer unless you're a tool who doesn't understand science. Go learn some science and stop acting like a mindless jugfuck. So you have sources that, through scientific method, have produced results such as spontaneous life happening? Please share..: You of course won't get an answer. Abiogenesis is completely unproven, and the ones leading the anti-religious charge know it. There have been computer simulations of course that supposedly had positive results but its near impossible to get all of the variables right for an accurate simulation. You will however get a long string of ad hominem attacks and a not even cleverly constructed association fallacy based on aligning even the mere mention of an "intelligent" design with stupidity, mindlessness and emotional neediness. In the end "they" simply want the freedom to be a d-bag without repercussion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38116888 United States 07/02/2013 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No it isn't. Every known scientific fact tells us life only exists on Earth, and supports the law of biogenesis: that life only comes from other life. It doesn't spontaneously generate all over space like Star Trek pseudo-science would have you believe. The simple act of a comet impact releasing amino acids is enough for me to determine that. Quoting: Waterbug Life requires an intelligent designer. That designer is God, who created the universe to support the Earth. Earth is the only place with life. Deal with it. People are still arguing about this shit? come on dude, if all that space is just for earth, i don't know but it seems like a lot of wasted space, I would think a God would be more efficient than that, no disrespect to you, or your beliefs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25618393 United States 07/02/2013 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42364242 No it isn't. Every known scientific fact tells us life only exists on Earth, and supports the law of biogenesis: that life only comes from other life. It doesn't spontaneously generate all over space like Star Trek pseudo-science would have you believe. ... Life requires an intelligent designer. That designer is God, who created the universe to support the Earth. Earth is the only place with life. Deal with it. There's no God you fruitcake. Life DOES NOT REQUIRE an intelligent designer unless you're a tool who doesn't understand science. Go learn some science and stop acting like a mindless jugfuck. So you have sources that, through scientific method, have produced results such as spontaneous life happening? Please share..: You of course won't get an answer. Abiogenesis is completely unproven, and the ones leading the anti-religious charge know it. There have been computer simulations of course that supposedly had positive results but its near impossible to get all of the variables right for an accurate simulation. You will however get a long string of ad hominem attacks and a not even cleverly constructed association fallacy based on aligning even the mere mention of an "intelligent" design with stupidity, mindlessness and emotional neediness. In the end "they" simply want the freedom to be a d-bag without repercussion. Love this post! Thanks. There is some intelligence on this forum. |
AgnosticDeity User ID: 11130939 United States 07/02/2013 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No it isn't. Every known scientific fact tells us life only exists on Earth, and supports the law of biogenesis: that life only comes from other life. It doesn't spontaneously generate all over space like Star Trek pseudo-science would have you believe. The simple act of a comet impact releasing amino acids is enough for me to determine that. Quoting: Waterbug Life requires an intelligent designer. That designer is God, who created the universe to support the Earth. Earth is the only place with life. Deal with it. There's no God you fruitcake. Life DOES NOT REQUIRE an intelligent designer unless you're a tool who doesn't understand science. Go learn some science and stop acting like a mindless jugfuck. So you have sources that, through scientific method, have produced results such as spontaneous life happening? Please share..: [link to newscenter.berkeley.edu] Granted it you can't do this in a lab. But the numbers work. Now for your proof of an intelligent designer. There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18242403 United States 07/02/2013 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42364242 No it isn't. Every known scientific fact tells us life only exists on Earth, and supports the law of biogenesis: that life only comes from other life. It doesn't spontaneously generate all over space like Star Trek pseudo-science would have you believe. ... Life requires an intelligent designer. That designer is God, who created the universe to support the Earth. Earth is the only place with life. Deal with it. There's no God you fruitcake. Life DOES NOT REQUIRE an intelligent designer unless you're a tool who doesn't understand science. Go learn some science and stop acting like a mindless jugfuck. So you have sources that, through scientific method, have produced results such as spontaneous life happening? Please share..: You of course won't get an answer. Abiogenesis is completely unproven, and the ones leading the anti-religious charge know it. There have been computer simulations of course that supposedly had positive results but its near impossible to get all of the variables right for an accurate simulation. You will however get a long string of ad hominem attacks and a not even cleverly constructed association fallacy based on aligning even the mere mention of an "intelligent" design with stupidity, mindlessness and emotional neediness. In the end "they" simply want the freedom to be a d-bag without repercussion. If the conditions for life to exist are present, life will exist. If the conditions for life to exist are not present, life will not exist. Simple as that. There is life on Earth because the proper conditions exist. There is no life on the moon because the proper conditions do not exist. Savvy? I like the idea of Panspermia although it will be difficult to prove (as of now). It has been shown that life (or the building blocks of life) existed long before Earth. So if those building blocks that exist on an asteroid strike a planet or moon that is newly forming or formed, life will begin in some way. Understand that everything needed to create life came from the Big Bang, which although we don't fully understand yet, doesn't mean that given enough time we won't. We are infants in scientific knowledge and evolution. I can't even begin to fathom the answers we'll have 5,000 years from now. You are not special. Humans were probably an accident grown and developed by a huge amount of luck. There are most likely MILLIONS of other civilizations in the universe. And there should be; life is not special. Even if you consider it rare, cosmological rarities and quite common in a universe the size of ours. But I'll let somebody who knows better than me explain this to you idiots: |
Kai D Kravit (VALIS) User ID: 5894344 United States 07/02/2013 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Very simply, the invention of the word, "synergy" is proof that things are being created all the time. Before the concept of synergy there was no concept. One can argue that it was out there and we simply discovered it. That may be true, however, the fact remains that the English word for it, again "synergy" most certainly DID NOT exist before it was invented. 2. Through this same process, the word itself must be a literal NEW thing. Information (so far as we know) must be encoded in electrons. Therefor when a new word is created it encodes in NEW electrons that previously were nonexistent. 3. Through synergistic principles (again), new things are synthesized all the time. I.e. when two organisms engage in sexual intercourse there is a certain probability that from the initial matter involved (sperm and egg) a new organism is created. This process ALWAYS creates more than the sum of the initial parts involved. These concepts PROVE that actually the first law of thermodynamics is incorrect. We now see that actually "Nothing is destroyed. New things are created all the time." This is going on all over the universe all the time. If it wasn't then none of us (including those arguing that there is no life elsewhere) would ever have been born or could exist to argue now. It comes down to a simple question. Do we represent infinity by 0 or 1? To suggest that infinity is 0 is to suggest that there is and always has been NOTHING. This is quite obviously untrue and goes all the way back to the "I think therefor I am" argument. Whether or not I am real or a figment of your imagination, YOU must exist because if you didn't you would be unable to comprehen yourself. I win. Kai D Kravit (VALIS) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30854874 United Kingdom 07/02/2013 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow think about it... if there is no such thing as alien life and we were capable of getting around the galaxy easily than that's enough for every person on earth to have ten planets all to themselves ;P i'll take the nymphomaniac planet, the gold planet, the bacon sandwich planet and the lager planet that'll do me someone else can have my other 6 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18242403 United States 07/02/2013 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Consider: Quoting: Kai D Kravit (VALIS) - New evidence suggests that carbon-based DNA (OUR DNA) actually dates back to over 8 billion years old. - The Earth is only around 4.7 billion years old. - Science's general consensus is that the first unicellular prokaryotic carbon-based forms got to this planet by way of space travel (whether that be planet hopping on asteroids, space floating like "water bears," or wormholes All this information leads us to several close-to-certain conclusions: 1. Our predecessors almost DEFINITELY did NOT start on Earth 2. The prokaryotic carbon-based cells are suited for space travel 3. They either happened randomly upon this planet or we were "seeded" With these safe assumptions, it is logical to assume that these prokaryotic cells are and have been (FOR A LONG TIME) floating around space and landing anywhere that is suited to carbon-based evolution. It happened TWICE just on this planet. One evolution chain on the surface, spawning from photosynthetic unicellular life and one at the bottom of the oceans, spawned from chemosynthetic unicellular things. It is likely that (and this is excluding all the other potential unknown types of life out there, not to mention things that may exist outside of this dimensional plane) there are literally BILLIONS of planets out there supporting chains of life from the same DNA strands that found their way here. Remember, we're talking about a space that (so far as we know) is infinitely expansive. Of course there are unlimited planets that could support extraterrestrial life. In the end it would only be illogical to assume otherwise. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25618393 United States 07/02/2013 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42364242 No it isn't. Every known scientific fact tells us life only exists on Earth, and supports the law of biogenesis: that life only comes from other life. It doesn't spontaneously generate all over space like Star Trek pseudo-science would have you believe. ... Life requires an intelligent designer. That designer is God, who created the universe to support the Earth. Earth is the only place with life. Deal with it. There's no God you fruitcake. Life DOES NOT REQUIRE an intelligent designer unless you're a tool who doesn't understand science. Go learn some science and stop acting like a mindless jugfuck. So you have sources that, through scientific method, have produced results such as spontaneous life happening? Please share..: [link to newscenter.berkeley.edu] Granted it you can't do this in a lab. But the numbers work. Now for your proof of an intelligent designer. No. That's not proof of anything. Try again... |
BananaMeltdown User ID: 1265507 United States 07/02/2013 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And not ONE SINGLE SIGNAL from ANYWHERE in the universe, except from us. haha this is why I know aliens UFOs are real, visiting, and being covered up Clearly life is everywhere, and the fact that we don't know about it is the same reason we used to think the earth was flat - we're being lied to, knowledge is kept from us |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42609587 United Kingdom 07/02/2013 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And not ONE SINGLE SIGNAL from ANYWHERE in the universe, except from us. It's because they use scalar technology to communicate. Tesla figured it out then got shutdown when TPB cottoned on to it..... [link to www.youtube.com] |
superflyscot User ID: 14217823 United Kingdom 07/02/2013 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Don't hate the black, don't hate the white, if you get bitten, just hate the bite" Sly Stone 'We’re the middle children of history. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives.' 'The world is a drama, staged in a dream' |
Pyractomena borealis User ID: 20793638 United States 07/02/2013 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And not ONE SINGLE SIGNAL from ANYWHERE in the universe, except from us. That we can recognize. Save your money and go get a degree in Electrical Engineering. Learn what signals are. Highereducationtard. There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster Omnia Vincit Amor ~ Virgil The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton |
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Kai D Kravit (VALIS) User ID: 5894344 United States 07/02/2013 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | to assume that radio frequencies will be received/transmitted by any other intelligent community is: a. Egocentric - Another intelligence may receive our transmissions and thus assume we are too under-advanced for contact. Alternately, another civilization MAY NOT AND PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE EARS to even recognize these frequencies. b. Silly - Assuming someone or something did give a shit about or COULD receive our transmissions, why one would assume that in the vast uncharted reaches of space, a civilization would perchance to receive such frequencies is beyond the basic logic of science. Further, the time it would take to receive and the chances of a receiver being in the right place at the right time are ASTRONOMICALLY SMALL. Go look up the "Wow! signal" This argument has been going on for a long time already. Kai D Kravit (VALIS) |
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