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BREAKING NEWS: Plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales forced to land in Vienna after denied entry into Spain/Portugal

 
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If they did that they would be seen as evil, so they should think long and hard about doing something like that.
 Quoting: Heavenly Alchemy


Do you really think that they care about being seen as evil. Some countries do much worse. How many countries these days do care.
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Yes, they should. Perception is important in that game they are playing. Do they really want Snowden and the people on the plane to become martyrs and spark more support of him?
 Quoting: Heavenly Alchemy


I think they should care too, but I am fairly sure that those who currently hold power feel as if they can squash any opposition with a combination of propaganda and fear.
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The thing is this is already out, from all that has been shown he has not complied with foreign governments to divulge Intel.

To many it looks like what Snowden said last is true, they are acting fearful, like cornered animals over surveillance information. This does not look good for the government at all, it reinforces his last statement.
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I pinned this topic.

They think Snowden is in this plane. This is big.
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Doesn't matter if he is! The plane has diplomatic immunity! No one can board it without permission - PERIOD!
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True, although of course they could just keep the plane there until everyone needs to eat or whatever and then arrest Snowden when he gets off.
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Not quite. Diplomatic protocol requires that Morales be given all necessary assistance to enable him to continue on his way. Diplomatic immunity is one protocol...assistance is another...and so forth.
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I fed this story to Drudge, minutes later, first column red text. Here it is in actual English.

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[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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This could just be a decoy & is own his way to Havana.
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Would be a clever one.
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It is the kind of thing Putin would think up. I think he is a very clever expert at misdirection.
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I was just contemplating the exact same thing
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or CARACAS
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I pinned this topic.

They think Snowden is in this plane. This is big.
 Quoting: NEWSMAN


Doesn't matter if he is! The plane has diplomatic immunity! No one can board it without permission - PERIOD!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30075865


True, although of course they could just keep the plane there until everyone needs to eat or whatever and then arrest Snowden when he gets off.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


Not quite. Diplomatic protocol requires that Morales be given all necessary assistance to enable him to continue on his way. Diplomatic immunity is one protocol...assistance is another...and so forth.
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Then they let Morales and anyone else with diplomatic status off the plane first.
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RT @AdrianBono: Ecuador has requested an extraordinary UNASUR session to discuss the incident involving Evo Morales' plane.
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RT @AdrianBono: Ecuador has requested an extraordinary UNASUR session to discuss the incident involving Evo Morales' plane.
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Not surprising.
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Somehow the OBummer group got to these countries. Even Equador changed it's mind after Joe "BS" Biden called.

Dirty deals done dirt cheap!!!!!
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It doesn't matter now anyway, all the information Snowden still has was given to dozens of other people to include Julian Assange. He could be deported, tried, jailed, and executed and the information will still be made public.

The damage has been done, now the entire world despises this country.
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SNOWDEN NOT IN VIENNA, AUSTRIAN FOREIGN OFFICE SAYS -- DPA
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france and portugal will pay dearly for this. what were they thinking? snowden has a lot more juicy stories for us. keep em coming edward.
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It doesn't matter now anyway, all the information Snowden still has was given to dozens of other people to include Julian Assange. He could be deported, tried, jailed, and executed and the information will still be made public.

The damage has been done, now the entire world despises this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17218268


Agreed... and it goes to what others have said, that it is not about Snowden anymore, it is about stopping future leaks. Implying that there is a lot more damaging information that what the rather low level Snowden was able to obtain.

This is all spy-games until we get something tangible -- such as some documentation on a Supreme Court Justice that implies, or explicitly states, that they were blackmailed.
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It doesn't matter now anyway, all the information Snowden still has was given to dozens of other people to include Julian Assange. He could be deported, tried, jailed, and executed and the information will still be made public.

The damage has been done, now the entire world despises this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17218268


Agreed... and it goes to what others have said, that it is not about Snowden anymore, it is about stopping future leaks. Implying that there is a lot more damaging information that what the rather low level Snowden was able to obtain.

This is all spy-games until we get something tangible -- such as some documentation on a Supreme Court Justice that implies, or explicitly states, that they were blackmailed.
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THIS
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Uh-oh.

Associated Press has published extracts from a statement issued by the Bolivian defence minister, Ruben Saavedra, who was also on the redirected plane.

It says the plane was allowed to land in Spain for refueling before flying on to Austria.

It describes the rerouting as a "hostile act" by the US goverment:


"This is a hostile act by the United States State Department which has used various European governments"

CNN has interviewed the Bolivian defence minister, Ruben Saavedra, who has expressed outrage at the decision to reroute the president's plane. He said the US government was behind the rumours that Snowden was on board.

"This is a lie, a falsehood," he said. "It was generated by the US government."

He added:

"It is an outrage. It is an abuse. It is a violation of the conventions and agreements of international air transportation"

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Doesn't matter if he is! The plane has diplomatic immunity! No one can board it without permission - PERIOD!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30075865


True, although of course they could just keep the plane there until everyone needs to eat or whatever and then arrest Snowden when he gets off.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


Not quite. Diplomatic protocol requires that Morales be given all necessary assistance to enable him to continue on his way. Diplomatic immunity is one protocol...assistance is another...and so forth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4387382


Then they let Morales and anyone else with diplomatic status off the plane first.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux


No. The primary protocol is that the diplomat, being on his territory, cannot be forced to vacate it. Instead he must be given all the assistance he requires and requests.

Having said that, Bush has made such a mockery of international law by opening up Guantanamo, it is only fair to say that much of it, including the rules on diplomacy are likely to be degraded over the coming decades.

If that were to occur, say hello to the law of the jungle, both internationally and at home.
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This is huge. The international system of cooperation is getting closer to breaking down.
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This is huge. The international system of cooperation is getting closer to breaking down.
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Yup.

See video here on MSNBC with Greenwald.

Please embed!

*SHOCKING* Glenn Greenwald: Countries Like France & Portugal & The US No Longer Recognize Amnesty

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This is huge...I fully believe the west just showed its collective ass to the world. Curious to see how they sweep the fallout under the rug, might take some serious smoke and mirrors.
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Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca denied that Snowden was on the plane, which landed in Vienna, and said France and Portugal would have to explain why they canceled authorization for the plane.
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How do you pronounce that guy's surname???
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Probably a test run by Putin or snowden to see what would happen if word leaked out he was on an outbound plane
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This is huge...I fully believe the west just showed its collective ass to the world. Curious to see how they sweep the fallout under the rug, might take some serious smoke and mirrors.
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The world is starting to see and understand the USA. Do as I say not as I do.
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Whoa!!! Gives me goose-bumps!!!! Go,Edward!!!
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This is huge...I fully believe the west just showed its collective ass to the world. Curious to see how they sweep the fallout under the rug, might take some serious smoke and mirrors.
 Quoting: palehorse450R


The world is starting to see and understand the USA. Do as I say not as I do.
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Somebody's about to get a kick-in-the-ass wake-up call. And I don't mean you.


Where will YOU be?
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Act Of WAR.
Bolivia should expel ALL Americans.
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This is huge...I fully believe the west just showed its collective ass to the world. Curious to see how they sweep the fallout under the rug, might take some serious smoke and mirrors.
 Quoting: palehorse450R


The world is starting to see and understand the USA. Do as I say not as I do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30075865


Somebody's about to get a kick-in-the-ass wake-up call. And I don't mean you.


Where will YOU be?
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Watching the fireworks from a front row seat!

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Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca denied that Snowden was on the plane, which landed in Vienna, and said France and Portugal would have to explain why they canceled authorization for the plane.
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How do you pronounce that guy's surname???
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Choquehuanca... don't know... but I bet he would make a good chain saw.
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This is huge...I fully believe the west just showed its collective ass to the world. Curious to see how they sweep the fallout under the rug, might take some serious smoke and mirrors.
 Quoting: palehorse450R


The world is starting to see and understand the USA. Do as I say not as I do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30075865


Somebody's about to get a kick-in-the-ass wake-up call. And I don't mean you.


Where will YOU be?
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Watching the fireworks from a front row seat!

coffee4
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Now then, one good turn deserves another. Where will YOU be?
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Damn, this is getting good.
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So much for America knowing fuckanything.
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