Pope calls gnosticism dangerous

LOL, did you know Pentecost is an Old Testament feast, not Christian?

Sorry, can't read it that way, how the Sadducees interpret scripture is the whole point of the story, they interpret it wrongly, in saying there is no resurrection of the flesh, and Jesus point this out.
The very first sentence that begins the story says it -
"23 The same day the Sadducees, who say that there is no resurrection, came to Him and asked Him.."

The whole point of their question is to ridicule the resurrection.

There are four separate stories in the chapter, four attempts to trap Jesus, the last one which ends with the silence is about Christ's son-hood.

What was your vision about Michael?

What is "the resurrection"?

That is the whole issue here.



The translation I prefer is "Then came the Sadducees, who deny "the resurrection".

Question:

When was this passage written?

Answer:

It was written AFTER the Sadducees presented the question to Jesus and AFTER Jesus provided an explanation of "the resurrection" (to his closest followers).

In other words, the writer of the Gospel of Matthew knew the answer that Jesus gave to the question, and how Jesus explained that in more detail in an oral teaching, before he wrote these passages.

What difference does that make?

What it means is that, when Matthew used the term "the resurrection", he was referring to how JESUS explained "the resurrection" NOT how the Sadducees and Pharisees MISunderstood "the resurrection".

And what that means is that, when Matthew wrote "Then came the Sadducees, who denied the resurrection.."...

What he meant, in the context of the reply of Jesus, was: "Then came the Sadducees who deny the revelation of the memories of previous lives."

Of course, as a Christian, you can NEVER believe that.

As a Christian, you are fully prepared to exterminate human civilization itself rather than to doubt the Satanic doctrines you have been taught by the IDIOT Christian religious 'authorities'.

And, in the not-too-distant future, Insh'allah, you will see with your own eyes the consequences of following the doctrines of demons.

Michael

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I'd say it was common knowledge what the Sadducees thought about the resurrection, so Jesus would have known too,
and correctly judged the purpose of their question.

The Jewish rabbis taught resurrection of the flesh at the end days, it was only the Sadducees (a sect) who denied it.

Jesus upheld the belief, to me it is very clear.

I would like to hear about your vision...?

Yes i knew it but the Spirit of Truth has been given at pentecost day. You knew it?

Hello K.Kool and all.

The resurrection isn't here on Earth it's on an other planet (From the more recent revelation of truth that we have)

Sleeping Survivors. All mortals of survival status, in the custody of personal guardians of destiny, pass through the portals of natural death and, on the third period, personalize on the mansion worlds. Those accredited beings who have, for any reason, been unable to attain that level of intelligence mastery and endowment of spirituality which would entitle them to personal guardians, cannot thus immediately and directly go to the mansion worlds. Such surviving souls must rest in unconscious sleep until the judgment day of a new epoch, a new dispensation, the coming of a Son of God to call the rolls of the age and adjudicate the realm, and this is the general practice throughout all Nebadon. It was said of Christ Michael that, when he ascended on high at the conclusion of his work on earth, “He led a great multitude of captives.” And these captives were the sleeping survivors from the days of Adam to the day of the Master’s resurrection on Urantia.

The passing of time is of no moment to sleeping mortals; they are wholly unconscious and oblivious to the length of their rest. On reassembly of personality at the end of an age, those who have slept five thousand years will react no differently than those who have rested five days. Aside from this time delay these survivors pass on through the ascension regime identically with those who avoid the longer or shorter sleep of death.

[link to www.urantia.org]

The Old Testament is just as much Christian as is the new one.
Pentecost is both Judaic and Christian.

You think you're sorry now?

You ain't seen nothing yet.

You don't know the meaning of the word "sorry".

But, Insh'allah, you will.



And who are you?

An honorary member of the 1984 THOUGHT POLICE?



And, because of that, they ask a NONSENSICAL question.

But Jesus takes that up AFTER saying "You are wrong..."

Something which you completely IGNORE in terms of its conversational context.



But Jesus HIMSELF ridicules their misunderstanding of "the resurrection", saying it demonstrates a belief in the (Egyptian)'god of the dead'.



Are you KIDDING me?

You are an idolator.

People like you were slaughtered by the Levites after Moses came down from Mt. Sinai.

You worship the Egyptian 'god of the dead'.

You hate the Truth that Jesus taught about "the resurrection" with every fiber of your being.

And if you were alive at the time, you would have been one of the Pharisees screaming for his blood.

You are utterly unrepentant of the doctrines of demons you have been taught. You accept them unquestioningly and catatonically.

You fulfill in spades Daniel's definition of "the wicked" who "will NEVER understand."

And you have the CHUTZPAH to ask me what my Vision was about?

None of your DAMNED business.

Michael

Hello Orange



This book of Urantia that gnostics love so much, to me is like Grimms fairy tales.
Mixed with some science fiction.

breaking: Pope now comes out and says that OP's vagina is dangerous.

It's ok Michael, you don't have to tell me, lol.

I'll continue to believe in the resurrection of the body, and you can continue to believe whatever you want,
free will is a glorious thing.

I respect your actual perception about it. Then you believe that the old testament is the Word of God, The absolute truth? And the new testament too is the Word of God and the avbsolute truth? Read what said Jesus to Nathaniel about the old testament:


4. The Talk with Nathaniel

(1767.3) 159:4.1 And then went Jesus over to Abila, where Nathaniel and his associates labored. Nathaniel was much bothered by some of Jesus’ pronouncements which seemed to detract from the authority of the recognized Hebrew scriptures. Accordingly, on this night, after the usual period of questions and answers, Nathaniel took Jesus away from the others and asked: “Master, could you trust me to know the truth about the Scriptures? I observe that you teach us only a portion of the sacred writings — the best as I view it — and I infer that you reject the teachings of the rabbis to the effect that the words of the law are the very words of God, having been with God in heaven even before the times of Abraham and Moses. What is the truth about the Scriptures?” When Jesus heard the question of his bewildered apostle, he answered:

(1767.4) 159:4.2 “Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham. Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them. While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom.

(1767.5) 159:4.3 “These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.

(1767.6) 159:4.4 “Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.

(1768.1) 159:4.5 “Nathaniel, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies — men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.

You don't agree whit this?

We are all brothers and sisters because God is our Father and He is a pure spirit. You know this.

You Catholics are delusional: no Truth or Spirit before Pentecost of Jesus´s disciples? Just remember all the prophets, patriarchs, Moses etc. before them.

organized religion is the worst
plague ever bestowed upon mankind.

what you know as Christianity started
200 yrs before Yashua (Jesus) was born.

a group called the Essenes were
practicing Baptism, Communion Meals,
vegetarians, 200 BCE.

Of course it was not called Christianity
at that time, it was called Gnosticism.
Essenes were Gnostics.

Christianity is what Rome and the Vatican
turned gnosticism into by fraud some
250 yrs later by creating the canon.

John the Baptist was an Essene member
at Qumran and studied beside cousin
Yashua at the Mt. Carmel School of
Prophets.

Yashua was an Essene prophet.

Upon Yashua's travels to Iran
after his Roman hoaxed resurrection,
he adopted a new name of Yousa Asouph
and is buried under that name in Srinagar
India where he married and had a son at age
54 named Eli Kim. Yashua's wife was named
Marjan, however this is not Mary of Magdalena.

both Christianity and Islam were both hoaxes
and were created by Rome for agendas of that era.

Christianity was created to quell the Jewish
Wars between Rome and the Jews.

And later Islam was created to fight the
Christians who took over Jerusalem.

Both of their lineages to Abraham were faked
by the Vatican to give them purpose for existence.

Christianity is an extemporized religion, and therefore must it operate in low gear. High-gear spiritual performances must await the new revelation and the more general acceptance of the real religion of Jesus. But Christianity is a mighty religion, seeing that the commonplace disciples of a crucified carpenter set in motion those teachings which conquered the Roman world in three hundred years and then went on to triumph over the barbarians who overthrew Rome. This same Christianity conquered — absorbed and exalted — the whole stream of Hebrew theology and Greek philosophy. And then, when this Christian religion became comatose for more than a thousand years as a result of an overdose of mysteries and paganism, it resurrected itself and virtually reconquered the whole Western world. Christianity contains enough of Jesus’ teachings to immortalize it.



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"I respect your actual perception about it. Then you believe that the old testament is the Word of God, The absolute truth? And the new testament too is the Word of God and the avbsolute truth? Read what said Jesus to Nathaniel about the old testament:


4. The Talk with Nathaniel

(1767.3) 159:4.1 And then went Jesus over to Abila, where Nathaniel and his associates labored. Nathaniel was much bothered by some of Jesus’ pronouncements which seemed to detract from the authority of the recognized Hebrew scriptures. Accordingly, on this night, after the usual period of questions and answers, Nathaniel took Jesus away from the others and asked: “Master, could you trust me to know the truth about the Scriptures? I observe that you teach us only a portion of the sacred writings — the best as I view it — and I infer that you reject the teachings of the rabbis to the effect that the words of the law are the very words of God, having been with God in heaven even before the times of Abraham and Moses. What is the truth about the Scriptures?” When Jesus heard the question of his bewildered apostle, he answered:

(1767.4) 159:4.2 “Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham. Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them. While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom.

(1767.5) 159:4.3 “These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.

(1767.6) 159:4.4 “Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.

(1768.1) 159:4.5 “Nathaniel, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies — men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.

You don't agree whit this?

We are all brothers and sisters because God is our Father and He is a pure spirit. You know this.

"



Yes bro, I believe the Old and the New testaments are true and the word of God.

I can't believe Jesus ever spoke those words to someone called Nathaniel, as interesting as they are.

The events recorded in the Bible really happened, but it is of course much more than a book of history or philosophy.
The Holy Spirit breathed on the men who wrote it, making it the word of God.

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the hierarchy model of the Essene community
later became the forerunner of today's
CORPORATION.

the Essenes were the first to introduce
multiple owners of property and business
to wit all members of a sect contributed
land, finances, food, etc to join the
community for life and became owners.

This later became the business model
for what is know as a CORPORATION.
Communal ownership of property.

"



Yes bro, I believe the Old and the New testaments are true and the word of God.

I can't believe Jesus ever spoke those words to someone called Nathaniel, as interesting as they are.

The events recorded in the Bible really happened, but it is of course much more than a book of history or philosophy.
The Holy Spirit breathed on the men who wrote it, making it the word of God.


Do you know what is a fetish book? The Kuran is one too.

Words eventually became fetishes, more especially those which were regarded as God’s words; in this way the sacred books of many religions have become fetishistic prisons incarcerating the spiritual imagination of man. Moses’ very effort against fetishes became a supreme fetish; his commandment was later used to stultify art and to retard the enjoyment and adoration of the beautiful.

(969.5) 88:2.7 In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round.

(969.6) 88:2.8 The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism.

[link to www.urantia.org]

Truth, Beauty, and Goodness everywhere.

then you are a fool.

Univ of Tel-Aviv Theology Dept
research using computer algorithms
shows that the Old Testament Torah
had 4 different writers over a span
of centuries. It was not one man
named Moses who wrote it.

Se peer review article
Ghostwriting the Torah

[link to phys.org]

if man wrote it and changed it 4 times,
then it did NOT come from God.

It is NOT God's word any longer.

It now becomes a slave doctrine
for a worldly agenda.

Amen to this.

LOL, the fools coming together. Shabbath days and years with the Jubilee years are definitelly about enslavement.

so if Jesus in the NT says he approves
of the Torah,

then which version is he approving ??
the original version as God gave it ??
or the version that was changed by man
4 times ???

you just got owned by Rome

the largest fraud in the history
of mankind.

you need to take your next vacation
to Srinagar India and see the real
tomb of Jesus, errr I mean Yousa Asouph.
He died at age 80, not 33.
And he did have scars on his feet
from Roman Cruxifiction. He also
walked with a cane due to this.

there is also evidence that Jesus survived
and later became a spiritual adviser to
an Indian King in the first century.
He listed Yousa Asouph by name in his
personal diary which is on display
at the public Library in Srinagar.
He also describes Yousa as claiming to
be from Israel and having survived
cruxifiction and born from an unwed
mother. He wore a white robe, had red flowing
long hair and scars on his feet.
He walked with a cane. And at that time
was in his 40's in age.

mama papa baby mixed in, you can«t be more pagan than this

but you can keep illuding yourself, heck you can go along and imprint all of the aesop fables into "god's word"..

as you are implying now btw.. but aesop goes long before christ or old/new testament, and guess what: you can take all those "values" from the morals of it.

Well, you just testify His body got resurrected and he lived further to the fullness of His years on Earth, as prophecied in the Bible you assert being rigged by Romans.

did I also happen to mention that Yousa Asouph
was Jewish and settled down in a Jewish tribe
in Srinagar India. This tribe is called Buni-Israel
and is said to be one of the lost tribes of Israel.
This tribe is where Yousa found Marjan, who later
became his wife and bore his son Eli Kim.

the Temple of Solomon in India also has an inscription
on the wall of the dedication of Yousa's son.
It was etched in the wall 54 AD. 21 yrs after
supposed resurrection.

gnostics doesn't believe in that book

stop spreading lies

it was rigged by Romans.

there was no Trinity in Christianity
until the 2nd Ecumenical Council in 381 AD.

This is when the Holy Spirit was declared divine.

Before 381 AD,
there was only the father and son as divine.



[link to orthodoxwiki.org]

did you read that part about altering the canon
to include the Holy Spirit as divine ???

they also altered the original Nicean Creed
to adopt the Holy Spirit.

The church altered scripture to suit their agenda.

It was done in secret, no different than things
are done in secret with the Bildeburgers today.

So if you were a Christian in 380 AD,
you didn't believe in a Trinity.

This is exactly how Christianity got changed
over many centuries and became a slave
religion for a world agenda of the elites.

There is no Holy Trinity of God in the whole Bible, I know for sure. So no, it was not rigged the way you imply.

Matthew 28: 19

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit

The Trinity was introduced in the first
book of the NT.