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Comet ISON changes course: headed straight for Earth

 
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argument, the tail points away from the sun regardless of the direction the comet is traveling. This video only shows the orientation of the sun and direction the comet actually travels in relation to the sun.

strange, ison is supposed to be heading towards the sun, it's a sungrazer, if you look at the direction of the tail it shows that Ison is not moving towards the sun.

Am I wrong here?

Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:


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argument, the tail points away from the sun regardless of the direction the comet is traveling. This video only shows the orientation of the sun and direction the comet actually travels in relation to the sun.

strange, ison is supposed to be heading towards the sun, it's a sungrazer, if you look at the direction of the tail it shows that Ison is not moving towards the sun.

Am I wrong here?

Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:


 Quoting: FreakObserver

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Since you can't tell exactly where the Sun is in this video it would be impossible to tell.
I am sure if Comet Ison had changed direction every amateur astronomer in the world would have noticed and would be screaming at the top of their lungs to the world about it..
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argument, the tail points away from the sun regardless of the direction the comet is traveling. This video only shows the orientation of the sun and direction the comet actually travels in relation to the sun.

strange, ison is supposed to be heading towards the sun, it's a sungrazer, if you look at the direction of the tail it shows that Ison is not moving towards the sun.

Am I wrong here?

Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:


 Quoting: FreakObserver

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Since you can't tell exactly where the Sun is in this video it would be impossible to tell.
I am sure if Comet Ison had changed direction every amateur astronomer in the world would have noticed and would be screaming at the top of their lungs to the world about it..
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you can tell where the sun is by looking at the tail.
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argument, the tail points away from the sun regardless of the direction the comet is traveling. This video only shows the orientation of the sun and direction the comet actually travels in relation to the sun.

strange, ison is supposed to be heading towards the sun, it's a sungrazer, if you look at the direction of the tail it shows that Ison is not moving towards the sun.

Am I wrong here?

Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:


 Quoting: FreakObserver

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35599578


Since you can't tell exactly where the Sun is in this video it would be impossible to tell.
I am sure if Comet Ison had changed direction every amateur astronomer in the world would have noticed and would be screaming at the top of their lungs to the world about it..
 Quoting: PolarPrecursor


There is an eerie silence out there.

The silence of disbelief that ISON has changed course and is heading straight for Earth.
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WHAT HAPPENED IN THE END? COURSE CHANGE OR NO?
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^^ that vid looks fake as fuck
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Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:
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Please explain to me how this shows it "changing course?"
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
For reference, those are the raw frames that make up your movie.

Oh, you mean because you see the stars moving in a sine wave motion relative to the comet? Well there's this cool thing called "parallax" which is especially evident here because the Hubble Space Telescope which shot these images is orbiting earth. It's constantly moving around earth in low earth orbit, and it does so fairly quickly. On May 8th, when the images in your video were shot, ISON was about 4.34 AUs from earth. That's about 649,254,759 km. Given that Hubble's orbit is about 550 km high, and given the diameter of the earth, the maximum baseline Hubble's orbit can form for parallax is about 13,842 km (earth's diameter + Hubble orbital altitude x 2). That works out to a maximum parallax angle of about 4.4 arcseconds. By comparison, Hubble's WFC3 resolution is .04 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.spacetelescope.org (secure)]
4.4 arcseconds is the maximum amplitude of the sine wave we would therefore expect the stars to form. Naturally the observed parallax can be less than that depending on the inclination of Hubble's orbit relative to the path of ISON's motion in the sky at that time, but the maximum is 4.4. That works out to about 110 pixels at the native resolution of the CCD. The raw images appear to have been 2x2 binned for this acquisition, the measured amplitude at the half resolution size is 14 pixels, so the amplitude of the sine wave at the native resolution would have been about 28 pixels in this case by my measurement, well within the expected amount of parallax.

So no, the video does NOT show ISON "changing course," but you did give me some brilliant ideas for my own response video.

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Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:
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Please explain to me how this shows it "changing course?"
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
For reference, those are the raw frames that make up your movie.

Oh, you mean because you see the stars moving in a sine wave motion relative to the comet? Well there's this cool thing called "parallax" which is especially evident here because the Hubble Space Telescope which shot these images is orbiting earth. It's constantly moving around earth in low earth orbit, and it does so fairly quickly. On May 8th, when the images in your video were shot, ISON was about 4.34 AUs from earth. That's about 649,254,759 km. Given that Hubble's orbit is about 550 km high, and given the diameter of the earth, the maximum baseline Hubble's orbit can form for parallax is about 13,842 km (earth's diameter + Hubble orbital altitude x 2). That works out to a maximum parallax angle of about 4.4 arcseconds. By comparison, Hubble's WFC3 resolution is .04 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.spacetelescope.org (secure)]
4.4 arcseconds is the maximum amplitude of the sine wave we would therefore expect the stars to form. Naturally the observed parallax can be less than that depending on the inclination of Hubble's orbit relative to the path of ISON's motion in the sky at that time, but the maximum is 4.4. That works out to about 110 pixels at the native resolution of the CCD. The raw images appear to have been 2x2 binned for this acquisition, the measured amplitude at the half resolution size is 14 pixels, so the amplitude of the sine wave at the native resolution would have been about 28 pixels in this case by my measurement, well within the expected amount of parallax.k
So no, the video does NOT show ISON "changing course," but you did give me some brilliant ideas for my own response video.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Phil Plait wrong again. It aint parallax
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Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:
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Please explain to me how this shows it "changing course?"
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
For reference, those are the raw frames that make up your movie.

Oh, you mean because you see the stars moving in a sine wave motion relative to the comet? Well there's this cool thing called "parallax" which is especially evident here because the Hubble Space Telescope which shot these images is orbiting earth. It's constantly moving around earth in low earth orbit, and it does so fairly quickly. On May 8th, when the images in your video were shot, ISON was about 4.34 AUs from earth. That's about 649,254,759 km. Given that Hubble's orbit is about 550 km high, and given the diameter of the earth, the maximum baseline Hubble's orbit can form for parallax is about 13,842 km (earth's diameter + Hubble orbital altitude x 2). That works out to a maximum parallax angle of about 4.4 arcseconds. By comparison, Hubble's WFC3 resolution is .04 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.spacetelescope.org (secure)]
4.4 arcseconds is the maximum amplitude of the sine wave we would therefore expect the stars to form. Naturally the observed parallax can be less than that depending on the inclination of Hubble's orbit relative to the path of ISON's motion in the sky at that time, but the maximum is 4.4. That works out to about 110 pixels at the native resolution of the CCD. The raw images appear to have been 2x2 binned for this acquisition, the measured amplitude at the half resolution size is 14 pixels, so the amplitude of the sine wave at the native resolution would have been about 28 pixels in this case by my measurement, well within the expected amount of parallax.
So no, the video does NOT show ISON "changing course," but you did give me some brilliant ideas for my own response video.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Phil Plait wrong again. It aint parallax
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Fuck off stalker troll, I'm not Phil Plait.
Thread: Sunspot Watch - 7/7/13
If you disagree that is parallax, then prove it. Show what the expected parallax would be and that it wouldn't be detected. Put up or shut up, stalker.
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Fuck off Plait. You fucking tool. No one is stalking you except for your secret fat gay boyfriend. You have not refuted the OP and have only posited a theory that its parallax. That comet DID change directions as shown in the OP.
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Fuck off Plait. You fucking tool.
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I'm not Plait you stupid piece of shit.
No one is stalking you except for your secret fat gay boyfriend.
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I don't have a boyfriend, but if that's how you fancy yourself then that's just fucking sick. Sorry pal, I don't swing that way.
You have not refuted the OP and have only posited a theory that its parallax. That comet DID change directions as shown in the OP.
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No, it did not change directions as shown in the OP, it did show parallax though, well under the maximum parallax expected given that it was shot from an orbiting telescope. So fuck off bitch, you have not refuted my response.
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Fuck off Plait. You fucking tool.
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I'm not Plait you stupid piece of shit.
No one is stalking you except for your secret fat gay boyfriend.
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I don't have a boyfriend, but if that's how you fancy yourself then that's just fucking sick. Sorry pal, I don't swing that way.
You have not refuted the OP and have only posited a theory that its parallax. That comet DID change directions as shown in the OP.
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No, it did not change directions as shown in the OP, it did show parallax though, well under the maximum parallax expected given that it was shot from an orbiting telescope. So fuck off bitch, you have not refuted my response.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


[link to h.dropcanvas.com]

Hehehehehehehehehehehehe....

That right there is a projection of what the expected parallax of the stars should have looked like over the course of HST's imaging session of ISON (I put a virtual star - the white dot - in the view at an intersection of the coordinate grid and it remained in there for 7 out of the 8 frames Hubble shot). I generated that plot using Celestia with equatorial north pointing straight up. I then stacked 6 out of the 7 images represented (I couldn't get the second to last image to stack in Deep Sky Stacker for some reason) aligned on ISON just as the Celestia plot was aligned on ISON. I overlaid the curve formed by one of the stars over the course of the imaging session and what do you know? A perfect-fucking-match! Damn, I'm good.
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Fuck off Plait. You fucking tool.
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I'm not Plait you stupid piece of shit.
No one is stalking you except for your secret fat gay boyfriend.
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I don't have a boyfriend, but if that's how you fancy yourself then that's just fucking sick. Sorry pal, I don't swing that way.
You have not refuted the OP and have only posited a theory that its parallax. That comet DID change directions as shown in the OP.
 Quoting: AC

No, it did not change directions as shown in the OP, it did show parallax though, well under the maximum parallax expected given that it was shot from an orbiting telescope. So fuck off bitch, you have not refuted my response.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


[link to h.dropcanvas.com]

Hehehehehehehehehehehehe....

That right there is a projection of what the expected parallax of the stars should have looked like over the course of HST's imaging session of ISON (I put a virtual star - the white dot - in the view at an intersection of the coordinate grid and it remained in there for 7 out of the 8 frames Hubble shot). I generated that plot using Celestia with equatorial north pointing straight up. I then stacked 6 out of the 7 images represented (I couldn't get the second to last image to stack in Deep Sky Stacker for some reason) aligned on ISON just as the Celestia plot was aligned on ISON. I overlaid the curve formed by one of the stars over the course of the imaging session and what do you know? A perfect-fucking-match! Damn, I'm good.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


And to my little stalking troll, if you still don't get it, don't worry, I will explain all of it in a video later. I wonder if the OP will come back and realize he was wrong...
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Ok, it just might be time to start sacrificing virgins again.
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changed course, that's it i'm done suicide
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Why in the world is this pinned? The comet changed course, really?

I know very little about astronomy, am somewhat of the conspricay type and I find this whole argument stupid beyond belief. This is fricking crazy. You're saying the video shows it has changed course because of the direction of the tail? Cmon man. This is just dumb.
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Why in the world is this pinned? The comet changed course, really?

I know very little about astronomy, am somewhat of the conspricay type and I find this whole argument stupid beyond belief. This is fricking crazy. You're saying the video shows it has changed course because of the direction of the tail? Cmon man. This is just dumb.
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I pinned it to show that it hasn't actually "changed course," and that the "rotating" or sine-wave motion that some are complaining about is in fact a consequence of parallax as the Hubble Space Telescope orbited the earth during the course of the exposures. I'll be doing a video about it later.
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Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:
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Please explain to me how this shows it "changing course?"
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
For reference, those are the raw frames that make up your movie.

Oh, you mean because you see the stars moving in a sine wave motion relative to the comet? Well there's this cool thing called "parallax" which is especially evident here because the Hubble Space Telescope which shot these images is orbiting earth. It's constantly moving around earth in low earth orbit, and it does so fairly quickly. On May 8th, when the images in your video were shot, ISON was about 4.34 AUs from earth. That's about 649,254,759 km. Given that Hubble's orbit is about 550 km high, and given the diameter of the earth, the maximum baseline Hubble's orbit can form for parallax is about 13,842 km (earth's diameter + Hubble orbital altitude x 2). That works out to a maximum parallax angle of about 4.4 arcseconds. By comparison, Hubble's WFC3 resolution is .04 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.spacetelescope.org (secure)]
4.4 arcseconds is the maximum amplitude of the sine wave we would therefore expect the stars to form. Naturally the observed parallax can be less than that depending on the inclination of Hubble's orbit relative to the path of ISON's motion in the sky at that time, but the maximum is 4.4. That works out to about 110 pixels at the native resolution of the CCD. The raw images appear to have been 2x2 binned for this acquisition, the measured amplitude at the half resolution size is 14 pixels, so the amplitude of the sine wave at the native resolution would have been about 28 pixels in this case by my measurement, well within the expected amount of parallax.

So no, the video does NOT show ISON "changing course," but you did give me some brilliant ideas for my own response video.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Jeeeeeeeze wtf lol. I was hoping you would come in and debunk this.
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argument, the tail points away from the sun regardless of the direction the comet is traveling. This video only shows the orientation of the sun and direction the comet actually travels in relation to the sun.

strange, ison is supposed to be heading towards the sun, it's a sungrazer, if you look at the direction of the tail it shows that Ison is not moving towards the sun.

Am I wrong here?

Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:


 Quoting: FreakObserver

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35599578


Since you can't tell exactly where the Sun is in this video it would be impossible to tell.
I am sure if Comet Ison had changed direction every amateur astronomer in the world would have noticed and would be screaming at the top of their lungs to the world about it..
 Quoting: PolarPrecursor


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Hubble telescope catches ISON changing course:
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Please explain to me how this shows it "changing course?"
[link to h.dropcanvas.com]
For reference, those are the raw frames that make up your movie.

Oh, you mean because you see the stars moving in a sine wave motion relative to the comet? Well there's this cool thing called "parallax" which is especially evident here because the Hubble Space Telescope which shot these images is orbiting earth. It's constantly moving around earth in low earth orbit, and it does so fairly quickly. On May 8th, when the images in your video were shot, ISON was about 4.34 AUs from earth. That's about 649,254,759 km. Given that Hubble's orbit is about 550 km high, and given the diameter of the earth, the maximum baseline Hubble's orbit can form for parallax is about 13,842 km (earth's diameter + Hubble orbital altitude x 2). That works out to a maximum parallax angle of about 4.4 arcseconds. By comparison, Hubble's WFC3 resolution is .04 arcseconds per pixel:
[link to www.spacetelescope.org (secure)]
4.4 arcseconds is the maximum amplitude of the sine wave we would therefore expect the stars to form. Naturally the observed parallax can be less than that depending on the inclination of Hubble's orbit relative to the path of ISON's motion in the sky at that time, but the maximum is 4.4. That works out to about 110 pixels at the native resolution of the CCD. The raw images appear to have been 2x2 binned for this acquisition, the measured amplitude at the half resolution size is 14 pixels, so the amplitude of the sine wave at the native resolution would have been about 28 pixels in this case by my measurement, well within the expected amount of parallax.

So no, the video does NOT show ISON "changing course," but you did give me some brilliant ideas for my own response video.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Jeeeeeeeze wtf lol. I was hoping you would come in and debunk this.
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Dude the op is responsible for the proof. And plus astro s post has way more intelligence in the first sentence than the whole video. Nobody here is responsible for anything that someone else says.
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Will we see the same pillar of fire as Moses did?

A comet and it's tail could look like a pillar of fire.

Is Ison blue? Could NASA just be using a blue filter to film it. Remember all the earlier Mars photos showed the ground as red on Mars.

August 8, 2013 Ison will be 18 degrees of arc away from the sun, so much easier to see. If blue is it the Blue Kachina?

An Egyptian papyrus describes independently the account of the plagues of Moses's time.

Core samples going back 30,000 years show noticeable spikes in minerals associated with increased vulcanism at a cycle of 3600 years.

Then where is the Red Kachina? Maybe the Blue Kachina turns red when the dust falls. One object perhaps?

Why does the price of food keep spiking up? Diverted to bunkers?

Lots of questions.

We'll know more on Aug 8.

hf
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Did someone call for a pillar of fire?

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Comet ISON heading towards us December 2013......

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December 3, 2013

Alex Collier 2008 Lecture. Talking about his contacts with the Andromedans, Alex Collier makes reference to December 3rd, 2013. Mornay told him: "Now, after the blindness of 5,725 years, you and your Terra are about to regain yourselves. It will be such an unprecedented change that it will be difficult for many to grasp their own potential. It is the turning point on your world, which none of your planets forefathers were ever privilaged to experience."
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I know. Strange messagescraz222
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Comet ISON heading towards us December 2013......

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December 3, 2013

Alex Collier 2008 Lecture. Talking about his contacts with the Andromedans, Alex Collier makes reference to December 3rd, 2013. Mornay told him: "Now, after the blindness of 5,725 years, you and your Terra are about to regain yourselves. It will be such an unprecedented change that it will be difficult for many to grasp their own potential. It is the turning point on your world, which none of your planets forefathers were ever privilaged to experience."
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I know. Strange messages:craz222:
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wtf
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Soooo apparently this thread was set up just so the shills can make the real story seem like a joke
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Soooo apparently this thread was set up just so the shills can make the real story seem like a joke
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Nope. I had nothing to do with the OP. I'm not "shilling," and one of you really, seriously made the opening post and claim.
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