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Types of Counsciousness

 
andreidita (OP)

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Damn. Yes it makes sense to me and I don't have any specific questions at this time. I just wondered if you read that somewhere or came up with it on your own? I ask for a source because I find it somewhat interesting and would then investigate that source more.
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you can backtrack the source in the classical seven-fold division of Man.
But which is somehow laid in more abstract terms.
FOr example:

"In all the Teachings one finds the subdivision of the human being into three fundamental principles: spiritual, psychic, and physical - or spirit, soul, and body. In the Eastern Teachings there is extension of these three basic principles, for special purposes, and we find the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh principles. Thus, the highest or fundamental principle, which contains potentially the synthesis of all the others, is the fiery energy of life or spirit, which is spread throughout the entire Cosmos. For its focus it requires the sixth principle, or Buddhi (often called "the spirit soul" as distinct from the human-animal soul). Thus the monad is formed, which is the primary, unconscious, incarnated Ego. Then follows the fifth principle - the Manas, self-consciousness, "the thinker" (higher intelligence). These three principles form the higher triad, or the conscious, immortal Ego. In Devachan, this Ego survives after the dissolution of the other principles which form man's earthly personality, or, as the Easterners would put it, man's lower ego, or self. In the Teaching, this Higher Ego, or the triad, is often treated as the seed of the spirit, which is unable directly or independently to manifest itself on earth. In order to manifest, this triad needs a fourth principle, called Kama, through which desire is expressed in two aspects: Kama-Manas, or the lower intellect (literally, the intellect of desires), and Kama-Rupa, or subjective form (the form of mental and physical desires and thoughts). This is the thinker in action. Kama, in connection with Manas (the higher) and Buddhi, forms the higher Subtle Body (the astral body, in order that it be not confused with its etheric double, is often called "the lower astral") or the spiritual soul of the spiritually developed man. Kama-Manas is a sort of bridge which connects the higher Manas with Kama-Rupa, thus connecting Manas and Form to make the Kama-Manas body, or human soul. When this bridge between Manas and its lower aspect, Kama-Manas, has been established, i.e., when man begins to receive the impressions from the higher Buddhi-Manas, we can say that man is spiritually developed and approaches immortality. Thus, for the achievement of true immortality, in other words, of the maintaining of consciousness on all four planes of existence, and for becoming an Arhat, it is essential to connect, precisely in the physical body, the fourth, fifth, and seventh principles and fuse them in the sixth - Buddhi. All the qualities of the basic energy, being separately transmuted by its fire, must be harmonized and expressed in the highest quality of psychic energy"

[link to agniyoga.org]

in the above quote Kama-Rupas cover 1st and 2nd
Manas covers 3rd and Buddhi covers 4th
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chuckle

when you know you know...using your heart ;)

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I'm never aware of it when I do that.
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maybe now you will be more aware of it...now that it has been brought up :)

Some of my threads I start...I do so by utilizing this intuition...

hf
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Sorry, I just edited my post to add that it's a totally blind trust without any conscious thought, that way the ego does not interfere.
 Quoting: nah


:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
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[link to www.soul-guidance.com]



In 1989 I met a Hungarian Shaman, Joska Soos, in Antwerp, Belgium, who helped people with his private "shamanizations" and classes. Over the years I learned a lot, with new information about shamanism I had never read about in any literature. Among it was the system of seven levels of consciousness. Although he did not talk that much about it, it seemed such a useful system to me that I went further into it myself. I began to understand that some of my spiritual experiences in my past corresponded with those levels of consciousness. Furthermore I began to see parallels to the experiences of other shamans and spiritual seekers. Most religious, esoteric, or other doctrines know about certain levels but not the others, or emphasize only one level. In this book I present you with all seven levels of consciousness which are all inseparably linked together into one whole system of human experience, and it is open to everyone.
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i'll check it, brother
thx
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google the youtube video THE GREAT YEAR, narrated by james earl jones, it has alot of info pertaining to this subject. ENJOY!!!!!
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nice and simple!

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In 1989 I met a Hungarian Shaman, Joska Soos, in Antwerp, Belgium, who helped people with his private "shamanizations" and classes. Over the years I learned a lot, with new information about shamanism I had never read about in any literature. Among it was the system of seven levels of consciousness. Although he did not talk that much about it, it seemed such a useful system to me that I went further into it myself. I began to understand that some of my spiritual experiences in my past corresponded with those levels of consciousness. Furthermore I began to see parallels to the experiences of other shamans and spiritual seekers. Most religious, esoteric, or other doctrines know about certain levels but not the others, or emphasize only one level. In this book I present you with all seven levels of consciousness which are all inseparably linked together into one whole system of human experience, and it is open to everyone.
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i'll check it, brother
thx
hf
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hugs
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Damn. Yes it makes sense to me and I don't have any specific questions at this time. I just wondered if you read that somewhere or came up with it on your own? I ask for a source because I find it somewhat interesting and would then investigate that source more.
 Quoting: phizzycyst


you can backtrack the source in the classical seven-fold division of Man.
But which is somehow laid in more abstract terms.

 Quoting: andreidita


Ah, my handle is in the bold.

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google the youtube video THE GREAT YEAR, narrated by james earl jones, it has alot of info pertaining to this subject. ENJOY!!!!!
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thx for the tip brother
hf
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Damn. Yes it makes sense to me and I don't have any specific questions at this time. I just wondered if you read that somewhere or came up with it on your own? I ask for a source because I find it somewhat interesting and would then investigate that source more.
 Quoting: phizzycyst


you can backtrack the source in the classical seven-fold division of Man.
But which is somehow laid in more abstract terms.

 Quoting: andreidita


Ah, my handle is in the bold.

rockon
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But of course
hf
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so pwned
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so pwned
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I'm never aware of it when I do that.
 Quoting: nah


maybe now you will be more aware of it...now that it has been brought up :)

Some of my threads I start...I do so by utilizing this intuition...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


Sorry, I just edited my post to add that it's a totally blind trust without any conscious thought, that way the ego does not interfere.
 Quoting: nah


:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
I want to sit on my bottom and read GLP!
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there are roughly 4 ways upon which the human being/consciousness can currently function,
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absolutely brilliant thread OP.

I concur 100%. 5 stars.
best thread on GLP today ;)

those who do not understand it,
hopefully will one day :)
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maybe now you will be more aware of it...now that it has been brought up :)

Some of my threads I start...I do so by utilizing this intuition...

hf
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Sorry, I just edited my post to add that it's a totally blind trust without any conscious thought, that way the ego does not interfere.
 Quoting: nah


:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


You don't 'shut off' the ego. You must be aware of it, and transcend past the emotions and false guidance it provides you with.
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you forgot assbrainism
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WTF is spiritual intuition?
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yeah I'm kinda wondering the same thing
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The unbiased intuition that you get After you clean (using Higher Mind) all your inherited and unquestioned beliefs (which are rooted in 2nd/astral plane)
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good stuff thank you
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Spiritual self flagellation

You just censored a practising zen buddhist monk of 36 years to prop up your own ego, i'd say that's pwned

I slap you with the stupid stick again thwak as i am authorised to do so.

You're short of a fair few epiphanies before you even qualify to talk to me my little star

thwak i did it again grinning
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Good thread...
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How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


you have a Good Heart that is why your intuition guides you well.

Can you see the difference between a Simple but Wise Man
and a Seer?

the first knows by Heart and does not know Why the things are in that way.
the second also knows the reasons/causes why that knowledge sprang from the heart is True

In essence they are both the same. Just that the second can consciously guide others to understand themselves and the world around.

the first type is usually a messenger without knowing that it is.
the second understands consciously the message that it has to pass
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Spiritual self flagellation

You just censored a practising zen buddhist monk of 36 years to prop up your own ego, i'd say that's pwned

I slap you with the stupid stick again thwak as i am authorised to do so.

You're short of a fair few epiphanies before you even qualify to talk to me my little star

thwak i did it again grinning
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i just deleted one of your messages to test how zen you really are.
and i let all the others, which are in essence the same.

your ego yelling over and over

boasting your experience of 36 years of zen practice

is sooooo EGO-LESSSSSSs :)))))))))
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you have a Good Heart that is why your intuition guides you well.

Can you see the difference between a Simple but Wise Man
and a Seer?

the first knows by Heart and does not know Why the things are in that way.
the second also knows the reasons/causes why that knowledge sprang from the heart is True

In essence they are both the same. Just that the second can consciously guide others to understand themselves and the world around.

the first type is usually a messenger without knowing that it is.
the second understands consciously the message that it has to pass
 Quoting: andreidita


Andreita
you are a seer :)
I can spot one.

Only a seer could explain it as
well as you did.
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maybe now you will be more aware of it...now that it has been brought up :)

Some of my threads I start...I do so by utilizing this intuition...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


Sorry, I just edited my post to add that it's a totally blind trust without any conscious thought, that way the ego does not interfere.
 Quoting: nah


:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure...

aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that...

Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart...

I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :)

hf
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~ James Russell Lowell

An angel can illuminate the thought and mind of man by strengthening the power of vision.
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you have a Good Heart that is why your intuition guides you well.

Can you see the difference between a Simple but Wise Man
and a Seer?

the first knows by Heart and does not know Why the things are in that way.
the second also knows the reasons/causes why that knowledge sprang from the heart is True

In essence they are both the same. Just that the second can consciously guide others to understand themselves and the world around.

the first type is usually a messenger without knowing that it is.
the second understands consciously the message that it has to pass
 Quoting: andreidita


Andreita
you are a seer :)
I can spot one.

Only a seer could explain it as
well as you did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


being a seer is where the ability
to remote view comes from.
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I would say, from my own experience, that spiritual intuition is truth from Truth. Emotional intuition is still logic. You're feeling something and then deciding what it means through your learning/experiences. It's not truth. It might have truth in it, but once you decide something with your mind, it becomes corrupted to a degree. But much of this could already be said about most truth experiences, to be honest. Language doesn't even begin to describe the subtleties of thought that arise when you become Enlightened. It's an ugly, muted form of communication. If one's able, only spirit-to-spirit communication can be the most pure...but even in our bodies that varies. :) Hope this helps.

Basically, as long as there is structure or matter involved, it's very difficult (or it's a practiced thing) to step away from that. Easier once level 4 is reached because you've already been there - visited that realm. It no longer takes the faith of stepping out into it. You only have to revisit it correctly.
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great contribution
thank you brother
hf
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I, m all of them.Its sooo hard you cant imagin.
To walk among ghosts sleepers and zoombies.
To be your true self is the hardest trial of em all.
Most of you are playing a role without knowing it .
Only when all of us are their thrue original self it will be paradise,
until then its living hell.
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i'll write this in the abstract mode.

there are roughly 4 ways upon which the human being/consciousness can currently function, which can be grouped on 2 layers (each having its rational and intuitional sides

The Lower Level is formed by

1st rational - mechanical thinking logic based on sensory inputs (i.e. thinking used in practical affairs etc), - 3d

2nd intuitional - emotional level (astral) - beliefs are usually rooted at this level


The Upper Layer is formed by

3rd rational - abstract thinking - scientific mind, music composers, platonic world of ideas, seeing the concept behind the word/label

4th intuitional- spiritual intuition - direct spiritual intuition, sense of mission, higher calling, subtle conscious perceptions



the basic average joe of today functions only on the first layer. They are conscious only of the 1st, while the 2nd is largely in the subconscious area.
they are not aware of the real source of their beliefs, which resides in the astral/emotional level (e.g. fear based )

these are the perfect targets of mainstream religion, politics etc aka Sheep
they come in many flavours religious, political, special group rights etc

the 3rd level was a new comer in the last age (roughly 25.000 bc - 2.000 ad) - it really took off on a large scale with the enlightenment period. - this is usually the place of atheists. this happens because as the 3rd is a higher expression of the 1st, the 2nd level is also largely in the subconscious zone.
the focus is on liberty and truth

the 4th level was very rare in the last/current era - seers etc. it will be largely developed in the coming era of which those who understand this text are the vanguard. heart consciousness rests at this level. from this level one is able to see for example the common trait of all religions - the golden rule.
the focus is on universal compassion


agnosticism lays on the threshold between 3rd and 4th level.
when one makes the breakthrough, one starts to see the common divine source in all there is. which in itself is beyond labels and denominations (i.e. pantheism)

roughly there are two core vanguard teams. the abstract/mind team with skills on the 3rd level
and the heart team with skills on the 4th level. those of the heart team do not necessarily have also abstract skills, and vice-versa
 Quoting: andreidita


The Vanguard, Yes, I have heard that within me. I am from that team. We are the front-runners.

May the new creation over-spread this old earth to a high degree, and heal the curse.

vanguardSseersfun

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Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure...

aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that...

Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart...

I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :)

hf
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Humanity was all along about Co-Operation
Constantly reflecting ourselves
We All Learn

hf
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Sorry, I just edited my post to add that it's a totally blind trust without any conscious thought, that way the ego does not interfere.
 Quoting: nah


:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


You don't 'shut off' the ego. You must be aware of it, and transcend past the emotions and false guidance it provides you with.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Let me just grap my popcorn and let the experts explain ;)

Hi Sept!

hf

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How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


you have a Good Heart that is why your intuition guides you well.

Can you see the difference between a Simple but Wise Man
and a Seer?

the first knows by Heart and does not know Why the things are in that way.
the second also knows the reasons/causes why that knowledge sprang from the heart is True

In essence they are both the same. Just that the second can consciously guide others to understand themselves and the world around.

the first type is usually a messenger without knowing that it is.
the second understands consciously the message that it has to pass
 Quoting: andreidita


I don't know if I agree with the seer thing though. I get what you are saying but in the end to be aware of a message the seer must have their own thoughts put into it instead of flowing freely which takes away from the original message. A true messenger will not be aware of being one. I've had people in passing give me messages, telling me things but the way they say it wouldn't come across as this is the message. You have to master language to understand the messages from everyone.

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