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Types of Counsciousness

 
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Spiritual self flagellation

You just censored a practising zen buddhist monk of 36 years to prop up your own ego, i'd say that's pwned

I slap you with the stupid stick again thwak as i am authorised to do so.

You're short of a fair few epiphanies before you even qualify to talk to me my little star

thwak i did it again grinning
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i just deleted one of your messages to test how zen you really are.
and i let all the others, which are in essence the same.

your ego yelling over and over

boasting your experience of 36 years of zen practice

is sooooo EGO-LESSSSSSs :)))))))))
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You seemed short of data, so i delivered.

I am not egoless if i do not choose to be, but then i'm not the one proffessing and delivering misinformation to students, so i am free to use my ego as a tool anytime i like, it's fun.

You really are a little twinkle aint ya superman

You da man who can, come gather round people, he has come to teach us more applause
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yes great thread OP let me extend the original question

my biggest struggle is to determine the difference between emotional attraction and spiritual attraction guided by intuition. I only keep in touch with people who I feel offer a spiritual connection to my life. with friends and colleagues this is certainly true, but I have a difficult time deciphering every romantic relationship. it is hard to know if I make up the deeper connection in my head or if it happens for a reason? any advice on this?
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:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


You don't 'shut off' the ego. You must be aware of it, and transcend past the emotions and false guidance it provides you with.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Let me just grap my popcorn and let the experts explain ;)

Hi Sept!

hf
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hi
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I don't know if I agree with the seer thing though. I get what you are saying but in the end to be aware of a message the seer must have their own thoughts put into it instead of flowing freely which takes away from the original message. A true messenger will be aware of being one. I've had people in passing give me messages, telling me things but the way they say it wouldn't come across as this is the message. You have to master language to understand the messages from everyone.
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imagine that your own thoughts are already optimized
thinking becoming natural like breathing.
no need for the voice of the thinker in the head anymore.
and that from a Deep Desire to be of Help to a Fellow Being
you can enter into a state of Clear Receptivity
remaining yourself only as the Silent Witness Inside
and at the same time a Small Child
wondering at what happens Together with the Other

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I don't know if I agree with the seer thing though. I get what you are saying but in the end to be aware of a message the seer must have their own thoughts put into it instead of flowing freely which takes away from the original message. A true messenger will be aware of being one. I've had people in passing give me messages, telling me things but the way they say it wouldn't come across as this is the message. You have to master language to understand the messages from everyone.
 Quoting: nah


this is where false prophets come into play.
if a seer uses those truths and changes
them for his/her own benefit then the
message becomes corrupt.

just relaying the message without
interpretation or bias is a true
prophet.

or maybe those who came after him/her
uses those messages for their own agenda
then it becomes corrupt. This is where
most major religions come into focus.
They all have been corrupted from their
true meaning over time for a worldly agenda.
The original message has been lost.
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you forgot assbrainism
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unibrow like an ewok

trembles as the barber

applies the wax

(i think this haiku has more to do with the limits of consciousness than you are willing to admit ergo, carry on you malignant narcistic inept obsolete munchkins)
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
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Nice, thanks Frater.
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you have a Good Heart that is why your intuition guides you well.

Can you see the difference between a Simple but Wise Man
and a Seer?

the first knows by Heart and does not know Why the things are in that way.
the second also knows the reasons/causes why that knowledge sprang from the heart is True

In essence they are both the same. Just that the second can consciously guide others to understand themselves and the world around.

the first type is usually a messenger without knowing that it is.
the second understands consciously the message that it has to pass
 Quoting: andreidita


Andreita
you are a seer :)
I can spot one.

Only a seer could explain it as
well as you did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


thank you for your words.
what is funny though, is that i am in no way a seer according to how they are usually depicted.
my path had unfolded through Abstract Thinking
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Sorry, I just edited my post to add that it's a totally blind trust without any conscious thought, that way the ego does not interfere.
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:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure...

aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that...

Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart...

I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :)

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit.

Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest?
I want to sit on my bottom and read GLP!
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
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some can ascend without the aid of a book
or a doctrine.

if it has no name in the upper realms
why attach a man made label.
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thank you for your words.
what is funny though, is that i am in no way a seer according to how they are usually depicted.
my path had unfolded through Abstract Thinking
 Quoting: andreidita


you are more than you realize :)
abstract thinking is just one
step on the ladder to ascension.
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


some can ascend without the aid of a book
or a doctrine.

if it has no name in the upper realms
why attach a man made label.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Yes, very true.
Faithful and Truth
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Faith to me is having left the sanctuaries of men and their theology, and to come out from among them that dance around a golden calf, by the making of their own hands, entrusting completely and without reserve to God within.
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


Cool.
Didn't know this reference.
Thx for the cross-confirmation

As for the path of quabbalists, i like the spiritual testament of Eliphas Levi, The Great Secret, or Occultism Unveiled

The quabalic path is an abstract path which followed with Pure Heart leads to the same Truth

Although, one needs to triangulate at least a few such abstract paths

Lest he becomes caught in the glamours of one path
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I don't know if I agree with the seer thing though. I get what you are saying but in the end to be aware of a message the seer must have their own thoughts put into it instead of flowing freely which takes away from the original message. A true messenger will be aware of being one. I've had people in passing give me messages, telling me things but the way they say it wouldn't come across as this is the message. You have to master language to understand the messages from everyone.
 Quoting: nah


this is where false prophets come into play.
if a seer uses those truths and changes
them for his/her own benefit then the
message becomes corrupt.

just relaying the message without
interpretation or bias is a true
prophet.

or maybe those who came after him/her
uses those messages for their own agenda
then it becomes corrupt. This is where
most major religions come into focus.
They all have been corrupted from their
true meaning over time for a worldly agenda.
The original message has been lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Yes, I totally agree, I don't think prophets so much see the future and say this is what's going to happen. It's in the language but doesn't come out as straight forward as most people expect. Yes, like you said without interpretation or bias, spot on.
I want to sit on my bottom and read GLP!
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Defining what consciousness is, is a question it itself.

When you dream, your dreams are real and sometimes you remember them, so it is a form of consciousness? It does not have to be a physical event to be real, but then what is real? A for of conscious awareness?
In life there is always one
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
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some can ascend without the aid of a book
or a doctrine.

if it has no name in the upper realms
why attach a man made label.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Yes, very true.
 Quoting: NewHeart


and yes there are Those who can Unlock Spiritual Intuition
without having to work a specific task in the abstract realms.

hf
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
 Quoting: Frater


some can ascend without the aid of a book
or a doctrine.

if it has no name in the upper realms
why attach a man made label.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Yes, very true.
 Quoting: NewHeart


and yes there are Those who can Unlock Spiritual Intuition
without having to work a specific task in the abstract realms.

hf
 Quoting: andreidita


What type of 'specific task'?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"Each successive circuit represents a more complex phase of evolution. In line with recapitulation theory, the model applies equally to the evolution of an individual organism and the evolution of the whole tree of life. Each neurological circuit provides a new cognitive function (whether or not the organism is aware of the circumstances that led to its activation)."
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
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some can ascend without the aid of a book
or a doctrine.

if it has no name in the upper realms
why attach a man made label.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Do you think it can be passed on in the family without any lessons or learning of it but just understanding it by experience?
I want to sit on my bottom and read GLP!
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What type of 'specific task'?
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work without boundaries
or limitations
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:)

I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things...

hf
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How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure...

aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that...

Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart...

I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :)

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit.

Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest?
 Quoting: nah


How about when lol I say when we are in a positive environment...a truthful space where not only the ego can shine without negativity but the heart and mind can shine at the same time afro

:)

hf
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It maybe a question of duality as well. You spiritual side, knowing and your physical ego side. In this life your only aware of certain things necessary for your survival. So this life is a limited consciousness, but those that meditate or have psychic events see a larger part of reality and become more conscious of who we are. So its at various stages depending of the individual.
In life there is always one
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yes great thread OP let me extend the original question

my biggest struggle is to determine the difference between emotional attraction and spiritual attraction guided by intuition. I only keep in touch with people who I feel offer a spiritual connection to my life. with friends and colleagues this is certainly true, but I have a difficult time deciphering every romantic relationship. it is hard to know if I make up the deeper connection in my head or if it happens for a reason? any advice on this?
 Quoting: SteamrolledGobias


You have to be clear about a few things.

First, whether at Soul level you identify with the Eternal Hero in the Quest to Redeem the Goddess/Mother of the World

If this is the case, then you should have had surrealist moments when you See/Hear through women, the Archetypal Goddess.

If this is the case, follow Her lead
And do not Forget to always put Soul before Flesh

Lest the fairies will turn in succubi/mermaids
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OP,

Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :)

"As above so below"

Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity)
Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic)
Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic)
Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons)

Trolling For Quabbalists?

LOL

Frater
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some can ascend without the aid of a book
or a doctrine.

if it has no name in the upper realms
why attach a man made label.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Do you think it can be passed on in the family without any lessons or learning of it but just understanding it by experience?
 Quoting: nah


hf
All God's angels come to us disguised.
~ James Russell Lowell

An angel can illuminate the thought and mind of man by strengthening the power of vision.
~ St Thomas Aquinas

Music is said to be the speech of angels.
~ Thomas Carlyle
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What type of 'specific task'?
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work without boundaries
or limitations
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OK, cool. I have done that thousands of times.
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How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean?
 Quoting: nah


Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure...

aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that...

Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart...

I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :)

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit.

Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest?
 Quoting: nah


How about when lol I say when we are in a positive environment...a truthful space where not only the ego can shine without negativity but the heart and mind can shine at the same time afro

:)

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


That's awesome! It has an essence of innocence to it.
I want to sit on my bottom and read GLP!
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Do you think it can be passed on in the family without any lessons or learning of it but just understanding it by experience?
 Quoting: nah


I do not know if it can be inherited.
I would say not. For each must chose
his/her path on their own. It's a choice
one must make on their own.

In my case, it was not inherited.
I asked God in prayer for mine.
And my prayer was answered :)
But I am not religious and do not
adhere to any organized religion,
yet I strive for a good clean life
with a pure heart and seek knowledge
and foresight and it eventually
happened. But there is much I have
yet to learn about the gift bestowed.
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Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure...

aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that...

Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart...

I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :)

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit.

Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest?
 Quoting: nah


How about when lol I say when we are in a positive environment...a truthful space where not only the ego can shine without negativity but the heart and mind can shine at the same time afro

:)

hf
 Quoting: Spirit666


That's awesome! It has an essence of innocence to it.
 Quoting: nah


Thank you for pointing that out...when typing it innocence never came to me...yes...we can learn so much from children... :)

hf
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Defining what consciousness is, is a question it itself.

When you dream, your dreams are real and sometimes you remember them, so it is a form of consciousness? It does not have to be a physical event to be real, but then what is real? A for of conscious awareness?
 Quoting: Instigator


It maybe a question of duality as well. You spiritual side, knowing and your physical ego side. In this life your only aware of certain things necessary for your survival. So this life is a limited consciousness, but those that meditate or have psychic events see a larger part of reality and become more conscious of who we are. So its at various stages depending of the individual.
 Quoting: Instigator


as some dreams feel more Real than waking life
one could say that through dreaming we learn to see the Illusion of the Waking Life
and through waking life we learn to see the Reality of Dreaming

once you solve the different levels of both waking life (sometimes you are more awake) and dreaming life

you can easily see how most people Dream through Waking Life
and also see their Bubble of Perception

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