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Types of Counsciousness

 
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I presume that sexual consciousness is the fifth level.
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I presume that sexual consciousness is the fifth level.
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i would have thought it is the 69th level :)))))

waaaaaay above these beginners levels we are talking about here :)

[just in case your reply was a serious one, there is also a serious answer]
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:herosjourney:
 Quoting: Septenary Man


this is indeed a classic depiction by now

hf

although the 'mentor' addition can be kind of tricky
i for one, did not have the pleasure of meeting an outwardly recognizable 'mentor'
have met quite a few pretenders, though
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Me either. The Mentor thing was what I was missing as well.

I have taken that to mean, at this time and place in development, many of us have become our own mentors.
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Me either. The Mentor thing was what I was missing as well.

I have taken that to mean, at this time and place in development, many of us have become our own mentors.
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yep, although phrasing it like this tends to put too much emphasis on Self, in relation to Not-Self/World

i find it more balanced to think of it as We have been Mentored directly by Reality

this would explain also the concept of Synchronicity,
as a tool through which Reality Itself Mentors Us

Or even better the Mother of the World Mentors each of Us, Her Children

to make up also for the great patriarchal leaning of the last thousands years

Which in the End comes Around to what you Said

:)

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I presume that sexual consciousness is the fifth level.
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i would have thought it is the 69th level :)))))

waaaaaay above these beginners levels we are talking about here :)

[just in case your reply was a serious one, there is also a serious answer]
 Quoting: andreidita


It was a very serious question. There's no clear path to this, other than the PUA nonsense, and I doubt that's the clear path. I'm sure it starts with: "First, find a girl".

I've got a long path and very little time left.
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I had this dream of a old castle mansion and there were pictures all going up the staircase. They were of ancient looking people dressed in Victorian age clothing. I took a tour around this house, and then went outside to see the gardens. I wondered if any of you had similar dreams?

This song reminds me of the dream.



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I presume that sexual consciousness is the fifth level.
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i would have thought it is the 69th level :)))))

waaaaaay above these beginners levels we are talking about here :)

[just in case your reply was a serious one, there is also a serious answer]
 Quoting: andreidita


It was a very serious question. There's no clear path to this, other than the PUA nonsense, and I doubt that's the clear path. I'm sure it starts with: "First, find a girl".

I've got a long path and very little time left.
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what does PUA means?
if you feel it starts like this, then surely it starts like this
why do you think you have very little time left?
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Where I come from, when a woman marries a man she changes her name to a male name. My grandmother's sister did that, some don't keep that tradition.

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a woman changing her name is a worldly
man made tradition and in some countries
mandatory by law.

a name change does not change who you are.
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Not her last name, her first name. I never changed my last name. But the last name stay's in female form. I was given a male form last name too so that my family all shared the same name when they came to the USA and not be different from the other people here. It's just the difference between and i and an a.
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from where did you ancestors came?
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They migrated into the Ottoman empire in the 1300's, IDK where we came from before that. We claim that country as being where we are from, my husband's house there is over 2000 years old so his family was there longer then mine in Macedonia.

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It is the awakening of the soul which is mentioned in the Bible: unless the soul is born again it will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. For the soul to be born again means that it is awak- ened after having come on earth, and entering the kingdom of heaven means entering this world in which we are now standing, the kingdom which turns into heaven as soon as the point of view has changed. Is it not interesting and most womnderful to think that the same earth that we walk on is earth to one person and heaven to another? And it is still more interesting to notice that it is we who change it from earth to heaven. This change comes not by study nor by anything else but by the changing of our point of view.

When the soul is awakened, it is as if that person were to wake up in the middle of the night among hundreds and thousands of people who were fast asleep. He is sitting or standing among them, hearing about their sorrows and miseries and their conditions, hundreds of them moving about in their sleep, in their dreams, not awakened to his conditi9on although he is near them. They know little about him, as each one is absorbed in his own trouble. This awakened soul, standing among them all, will listen to everyone, will recognize all that they think and feel; but his language no one understands; his thoughts he cannot explain to anyone; his feel- ings he cannot expect anyone to feel. He feels lonely, but no doubt in this lonliness there is also the sense of perfection, for perfection is always lonely. Imagine living in a world where nobody speaks our language. Yet he knows the world’s language
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They migrated into the Ottoman empire in the 1300's, IDK where we came from before that. We claim that country as being where we are from, my husband's house there is over 2000 years old so his family was there longer then mine in Macedonia.
 Quoting: nah


WOW
do you know your ancestors so much back in time?
do you know the name of your ancestors, and of your husband's?
i am asking because your ancestors are very close to my Land
and many things begun in this area
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Me either. The Mentor thing was what I was missing as well.

I have taken that to mean, at this time and place in development, many of us have become our own mentors.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


yep, although phrasing it like this tends to put too much emphasis on Self, in relation to Not-Self/World

i find it more balanced to think of it as We have been Mentored directly by Reality

this would explain also the concept of Synchronicity,
as a tool through which Reality Itself Mentors Us

Or even better the Mother of the World Mentors each of Us, Her Children

to make up also for the great patriarchal leaning of the last thousands years

Which in the End comes Around to what you Said

:)
 Quoting: andreidita


In my experiences, I prayed to everything I could think of for 'help'. I realized that the only thing I could ever truly rely on was myself. In the times, there were no synchronicities, there was no 'help'. There was no guidance. There were no 'Guides'. There were no 'words of comfort'. There were no resolutions. There was no time-table.

The only thing to TRUST was SELF. Period. No hints. No clues. No information. No help. Either get through it in one piece, or fragment. To me, Fragment was not an option. Never was. Tough shit, that. Tough shit, so be it. Don't look to anything else to get through it, because that doesn't exist for me at that time.

Buck up and deal with it all, or lose. Again...no 'real' choice.
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It is the awakening of the soul which is mentioned in the Bible: unless the soul is born again it will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. For the soul to be born again means that it is awak- ened after having come on earth, and entering the kingdom of heaven means entering this world in which we are now standing, the kingdom which turns into heaven as soon as the point of view has changed. Is it not interesting and most womnderful to think that the same earth that we walk on is earth to one person and heaven to another? And it is still more interesting to notice that it is we who change it from earth to heaven. This change comes not by study nor by anything else but by the changing of our point of view.

When the soul is awakened, it is as if that person were to wake up in the middle of the night among hundreds and thousands of people who were fast asleep. He is sitting or standing among them, hearing about their sorrows and miseries and their conditions, hundreds of them moving about in their sleep, in their dreams, not awakened to his conditi9on although he is near them. They know little about him, as each one is absorbed in his own trouble. This awakened soul, standing among them all, will listen to everyone, will recognize all that they think and feel; but his language no one understands; his thoughts he cannot explain to anyone; his feel- ings he cannot expect anyone to feel. He feels lonely, but no doubt in this lonliness there is also the sense of perfection, for perfection is always lonely. Imagine living in a world where nobody speaks our language. Yet he knows the world’s language
 Quoting: .Kaos


So Beautiful and So Literally True

hf
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In my experiences, I prayed to everything I could think of for 'help'. I realized that the only thing I could ever truly rely on was myself. In the times, there were no synchronicities, there was no 'help'. There was no guidance. There were no 'Guides'. There were no 'words of comfort'. There were no resolutions. There was no time-table.

The only thing to TRUST was SELF. Period. No hints. No clues. No information. No help. Either get through it in one piece, or fragment. To me, Fragment was not an option. Never was. Tough shit, that. Tough shit, so be it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


somehow you perfectly described my experience also :)
the times when we were caught up in the Dark Night of the Soul...

"The harsh landscape of the moon with a black sky. The earth is not visible.

Seeing life from under the inside. Being in the void, the abyss. Staying right there and experiencing all this within the dark, through a heavy filter. Being given an entirely convincing and endlessly consuming passage through the darkest side of this existence.
Being able to discover the shadow ways to the utmost intensity and depth. Most gifted in ferreting out hidden motives, undercurrents of every conceivable kind. Hyper-intent upon staying with this perspective until it can be disproven.
A profound attachment to being lost, being caught, being punished, being put through the most extreme ordeals. A mountainous identification with a level of awareness which is tightly binding and will not let us go.
Hidden strings. Hard-to-get-at underpinnings. The intricate, fascinating and deadly absorption in the underworld. What will it take to lift the curse, to peel away the enchantment, to make the light dawn genuinely?
It will take brutal honesty and a bizarre willingness to stay with our own sensations and impressions even if we cannot justify or prove anything other than that we stayed with it. This is the only thing we know here. If we are going to get out, we cannot bargain, cheat, fake it. We come crawling out on our knees, bloody and self-recovered.
Yet it must be admitted that to endure this passage and emerge free and clear will take a miracle. The soul under those layers does not believe in miracles. The crawling distance may be to find just enough inward sanctuary to pray and seek that which is doubted, feared, avoided.
It does take divine intervention. This does involve a radical purging of an old self that does a lot of damage. This is going out there the hard way and not coming in until the issue is decided, or something else altogether."
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In my experiences, I prayed to everything I could think of for 'help'. I realized that the only thing I could ever truly rely on was myself. In the times, there were no synchronicities, there was no 'help'. There was no guidance. There were no 'Guides'. There were no 'words of comfort'. There were no resolutions. There was no time-table.

The only thing to TRUST was SELF. Period. No hints. No clues. No information. No help. Either get through it in one piece, or fragment. To me, Fragment was not an option. Never was. Tough shit, that. Tough shit, so be it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


somehow you perfectly described my experience also :)
the times when we were caught up in the Dark Night of the Soul...

"The harsh landscape of the moon with a black sky. The earth is not visible.

Seeing life from under the inside. Being in the void, the abyss. Staying right there and experiencing all this within the dark, through a heavy filter. Being given an entirely convincing and endlessly consuming passage through the darkest side of this existence.
Being able to discover the shadow ways to the utmost intensity and depth. Most gifted in ferreting out hidden motives, undercurrents of every conceivable kind. Hyper-intent upon staying with this perspective until it can be disproven.
A profound attachment to being lost, being caught, being punished, being put through the most extreme ordeals. A mountainous identification with a level of awareness which is tightly binding and will not let us go.
Hidden strings. Hard-to-get-at underpinnings. The intricate, fascinating and deadly absorption in the underworld. What will it take to lift the curse, to peel away the enchantment, to make the light dawn genuinely?
It will take brutal honesty and a bizarre willingness to stay with our own sensations and impressions even if we cannot justify or prove anything other than that we stayed with it. This is the only thing we know here. If we are going to get out, we cannot bargain, cheat, fake it. We come crawling out on our knees, bloody and self-recovered.
Yet it must be admitted that to endure this passage and emerge free and clear will take a miracle. The soul under those layers does not believe in miracles. The crawling distance may be to find just enough inward sanctuary to pray and seek that which is doubted, feared, avoided.
It does take divine intervention. This does involve a radical purging of an old self that does a lot of damage. This is going out there the hard way and not coming in until the issue is decided, or something else altogether."
 Quoting: andreidita


I have spoken of the Dark Night a few times on GLP. Not many understand its depths, as true spiritual events/experiences are far deeper than most are willing to travel.

ah, I will leave this here. Thank you again andreidita for all that you contribute. I am tired (body and soul) and I need a few nights off without fucking thinking...thinking especially about the past.

God bless you.
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Nice thread Andreita! 5*

Many deep thinkers posting here.

Maybe Dr. David Hawkins' Map can offer some inspiration while contemplating on Consciousness.

[link to health-whisperer.com]

[link to whatanicewebsite.com]

And also this relationship between microcosm and macrocosm with the chakra levels:

[link to www.kheper.net]
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Hopefully the super duper conscious and awake people will finally put the idea out that will turn things around, or not. This reminds me of mensa folks, so smart, yet, so incompetent because they "know" so much more, yet cannot help anyone else get there and look down on others.

If you're all so awesome, do something to save humanity already.
"All people are my people"
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I have spoken of the Dark Night a few times on GLP. Not many understand its depths, as true spiritual events/experiences are far deeper than most are willing to travel.

ah, I will leave this here. Thank you again andreidita for all that you contribute. I am tired (body and soul) and I need a few nights off without fucking thinking...thinking especially about the past.

God bless you.
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i know you've spoken, i've read them :)
that's why i was mentioning it :)

God bless you, too
Good Friend

hf
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In my experiences, I prayed to everything I could think of for 'help'. I realized that the only thing I could ever truly rely on was myself. In the times, there were no synchronicities, there was no 'help'. There was no guidance. There were no 'Guides'. There were no 'words of comfort'. There were no resolutions. There was no time-table.

The only thing to TRUST was SELF. Period. No hints. No clues. No information. No help. Either get through it in one piece, or fragment. To me, Fragment was not an option. Never was. Tough shit, that. Tough shit, so be it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


somehow you perfectly described my experience also :)
the times when we were caught up in the Dark Night of the Soul...

"The harsh landscape of the moon with a black sky. The earth is not visible.

Seeing life from under the inside. Being in the void, the abyss. Staying right there and experiencing all this within the dark, through a heavy filter. Being given an entirely convincing and endlessly consuming passage through the darkest side of this existence.
Being able to discover the shadow ways to the utmost intensity and depth. Most gifted in ferreting out hidden motives, undercurrents of every conceivable kind. Hyper-intent upon staying with this perspective until it can be disproven.
A profound attachment to being lost, being caught, being punished, being put through the most extreme ordeals. A mountainous identification with a level of awareness which is tightly binding and will not let us go.
Hidden strings. Hard-to-get-at underpinnings. The intricate, fascinating and deadly absorption in the underworld. What will it take to lift the curse, to peel away the enchantment, to make the light dawn genuinely?
It will take brutal honesty and a bizarre willingness to stay with our own sensations and impressions even if we cannot justify or prove anything other than that we stayed with it. This is the only thing we know here. If we are going to get out, we cannot bargain, cheat, fake it. We come crawling out on our knees, bloody and self-recovered.
Yet it must be admitted that to endure this passage and emerge free and clear will take a miracle. The soul under those layers does not believe in miracles. The crawling distance may be to find just enough inward sanctuary to pray and seek that which is doubted, feared, avoided.
It does take divine intervention. This does involve a radical purging of an old self that does a lot of damage. This is going out there the hard way and not coming in until the issue is decided, or something else altogether."
 Quoting: andreidita
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So the two highest levels are those who feel that 1) there is no higher power therefore we just happened here as did the entire universe and 2) that reality is unknowable.


lmao

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Hopefully the super duper conscious and awake people will finally put the idea out that will turn things around, or not. This reminds me of mensa folks, so smart, yet, so incompetent because they "know" so much more, yet cannot help anyone else get there and look down on others.

If you're all so awesome, do something to save humanity already.
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it has to be done collectively
as a whole.
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In my experiences, I prayed to everything I could think of for 'help'. I realized that the only thing I could ever truly rely on was myself. In the times, there were no synchronicities, there was no 'help'. There was no guidance. There were no 'Guides'. There were no 'words of comfort'. There were no resolutions. There was no time-table.

The only thing to TRUST was SELF. Period. No hints. No clues. No information. No help. Either get through it in one piece, or fragment. To me, Fragment was not an option. Never was. Tough shit, that. Tough shit, so be it.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


somehow you perfectly described my experience also :)
the times when we were caught up in the Dark Night of the Soul...

"The harsh landscape of the moon with a black sky. The earth is not visible.

Seeing life from under the inside. Being in the void, the abyss. Staying right there and experiencing all this within the dark, through a heavy filter. Being given an entirely convincing and endlessly consuming passage through the darkest side of this existence.
Being able to discover the shadow ways to the utmost intensity and depth. Most gifted in ferreting out hidden motives, undercurrents of every conceivable kind. Hyper-intent upon staying with this perspective until it can be disproven.
A profound attachment to being lost, being caught, being punished, being put through the most extreme ordeals. A mountainous identification with a level of awareness which is tightly binding and will not let us go.
Hidden strings. Hard-to-get-at underpinnings. The intricate, fascinating and deadly absorption in the underworld. What will it take to lift the curse, to peel away the enchantment, to make the light dawn genuinely?
It will take brutal honesty and a bizarre willingness to stay with our own sensations and impressions even if we cannot justify or prove anything other than that we stayed with it. This is the only thing we know here. If we are going to get out, we cannot bargain, cheat, fake it. We come crawling out on our knees, bloody and self-recovered.
Yet it must be admitted that to endure this passage and emerge free and clear will take a miracle. The soul under those layers does not believe in miracles. The crawling distance may be to find just enough inward sanctuary to pray and seek that which is doubted, feared, avoided.
It does take divine intervention. This does involve a radical purging of an old self that does a lot of damage. This is going out there the hard way and not coming in until the issue is decided, or something else altogether."
 Quoting: andreidita


Very profoundly said. At the time of the dark night you are most lost, hopeless but brutally transparent and honest with yourself or else you would have not arrived at that point. Then divine grace pours in. Divine grace is always there, but one has to empty their cup completely, be open standing before the abyss, trusting, entirely give oneself over to the highest divine power before the divine can effectively pour in the blessings. Before that one is blocking the transformation by holding on to their old energies, false ego and belief systems.

A prayer for courage while experiencing the dark night of the soul:

"O merciful Lord, I offer my body, mind and soul to you. All that I have belongs to you. Thy Will be done. Guide me. Thank you."
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I had this dream of a old castle mansion and there were pictures all going up the staircase. They were of ancient looking people dressed in Victorian age clothing. I took a tour around this house, and then went outside to see the gardens. I wondered if any of you had similar dreams?

 Quoting: NewHeart


when i had my soul awakened in dream back in 2004,
after one who i was identified at that time with jesus,
passed judgement upon me,
founding me guilty for not doing everything i could have done to save the world
fact which in the end my ego accepted as undeniable
and accepted the penalty which he thought was death,
after j laid down his arm
and i was waiting to see what's next
all my view became a fire
an to my surprise after a few moments
the curtain of fire opened up
and i was in the Same World,
Yet Different
and i realized that i had been given another chance
and he showed me the Real Earth, which is hidden behind this one
All was very Green
and half a mile further
i have seen a Beautiful Fairy tale Green Castle, instead of communist buildings
and as i was in the child consciousness full of joy
and flying also
i went in that direction to explore the Magic Castle
in that moment i went for the first time through
what is usually termed Sleep Paralysis
and found myself only a point of consciousness
feeling the immense pressure of a dark hole

this dream is also a response to Kaos

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Hopefully the super duper conscious and awake people will finally put the idea out that will turn things around, or not. This reminds me of mensa folks, so smart, yet, so incompetent because they "know" so much more, yet cannot help anyone else get there and look down on others.

If you're all so awesome, do something to save humanity already.
 Quoting: sadhuman


it has to be done collectively
as a whole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Oh, please. So that's one "no help" from the super conscious.
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So the two highest levels are those who feel that 1) there is no higher power therefore we just happened here as did the entire universe and 2) that reality is unknowable.


lmao
 Quoting: TheTruthMonger


Things that seem real to an average person are unreal in the eyews of the one who realizes this higher power and is awakened, and the things that seem unreal in the eyes of the average person are real in the eyes of the awakened. Little things that people take to heart will seem to him of little importance; things that people become confused with will become clear to him; things that matter so much to everyone will not matter to him; many things that frighten and horrify people will not have the same effect upon him; disappointments and failures will not take away his hope and courage. His thought, speech, and action change: as his outlook becomes wide, so everything he says or does will be different. In the first place spiritual life is a puzzle, in the second place a bewilderment, and in the third place a miracle. There comes a time when all that he had accepted in his mind , all that he believed in, appears to be quite the opposite of what they seemed. Imagine an evolved person being more bewildered than an unevolved one. Ane yet it is so, for at this stage a man begins to see that things are not as they seem.

The first sign one notices after the awakening is that one begins to see from two points of view. One begins to see the right of the wrong and the wrong of the right. In failure one will not feel such disappointment, and in success not such a great joy. In adverse conditions one will not be so dejected, in favorable conditions not so concieted. One begins to see that everything is reflected in its opposite. In this way one rises above logic, which then begins to appear as an elementary knowledge. It is a kind of double view of things. And when one has reached this, then reason has made way for higher reasoning. No doubt one’s way of thought will become gibberish to others; people will not understand it. To some it will be too simple, to others too subtle.

Every thought that has once crossed the mind, every feeling that has once passed through the heart, every word that is once spoken and perhaps never thought about any longer, every action once done and forgotten, is given a life, and it continues to live. Thoughts are beings. They are as much living beings as are we.
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Hopefully the super duper conscious and awake people will finally put the idea out that will turn things around, or not. This reminds me of mensa folks, so smart, yet, so incompetent because they "know" so much more, yet cannot help anyone else get there and look down on others.

If you're all so awesome, do something to save humanity already.
 Quoting: sadhuman


it has to be done collectively
as a whole.
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Oh, please. So that's one "no help" from the super conscious.
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You cannot 'make' anyone look within or awaken. Everyone awakens on their own time. To force someone in any way to wake up is interfering with their path and the lessons that they came here to learn. If someone still wants to sleep, let them sleep. Live by example and maybe you will make others curious and when they come and ask you your secrets, then share. Even the dark night of the soul must be experienced alone. Awakening is a lonely process. It doesn't happen in groups even though there is a so called 'collective awakening' in progress. It still means that people are realizing the same truth ON THEIR OWN.
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wow. so well put this is fascinating. I could say yes this is true to an extent although it's tough to describe. I think you put it into the best context I have ever read.

can you maybe expand on what you mean by "surrealist" moments? are these in the same vein as synchronistic moments?

also the other thing you said about following her lead.. it's how I've always felt, can you explain why? I thought the man was supposed to lead but I've always really thought she was in charge and I'm the one carrying out the actions
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my experience with the Quest for the outwardly projected Feminine was very clearly differentiated between two layers

although at first i imagined that is only One Love (due to confusing personal and universal love at that moment - which btw i understood later as the exact square between Venus (personal love) and Neptune (universal love) i have in the natal chart)

as such there are on one hand, the women with which i had personal love affairs (i.e. sensual love), and with none of those i have Witnessed the Subtle Feminine presence

and on the other hand the women through which i had the Honour to Witness the Feminine archetype addressing me, and with none of these woman have i been involved in a personal sensual way.

The way i experienced those moments are of the same essence with synchronicities. In my case they happen in the following way. Suddenly and unexpected, out of the ordinary discussion, the tone of the voice has a subtle change, which transposes me in a Out of Time perspective, like in a fantasy tale where all the words She Says make perfect sense in the Narrative Logic of the Eternal Myth

hope this helps
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glad you could share! I need to be more conscious of my conversations as you've described here, but yes it does help.

I'm glad you can share your own experiences and I will actively work to improve my own level of consciousness when running into these situations again. Judging but your responses I'd wager you're a little older than me which always brings more experience. I am unfamiliar with this higher divine feminine, I somewhat understand the energy but I'm not sure I fully understand. but this thread gives me hope for my own journey so thank you OP for sharing
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Hopefully the super duper conscious and awake people will finally put the idea out that will turn things around, or not. This reminds me of mensa folks, so smart, yet, so incompetent because they "know" so much more, yet cannot help anyone else get there and look down on others.

If you're all so awesome, do something to save humanity already.
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it has to be done collectively
as a whole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Oh, please. So that's one "no help" from the super conscious.
 Quoting: sadhuman


You cannot 'make' anyone look within or awaken. Everyone awakens on their own time. To force someone in any way to wake up is interfering with their path and the lessons that they came here to learn. If someone still wants to sleep, let them sleep. Live by example and maybe you will make others curious and when they come and ask you your secrets, then share. Even the dark night of the soul must be experienced alone. Awakening is a lonely process. It doesn't happen in groups even though there is a so called 'collective awakening' in progress. It still means that people are realizing the same truth ON THEIR OWN.
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Nice point.
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it has to be done collectively
as a whole.
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Oh, please. So that's one "no help" from the super conscious.
 Quoting: sadhuman


You cannot 'make' anyone look within or awaken. Everyone awakens on their own time. To force someone in any way to wake up is interfering with their path and the lessons that they came here to learn. If someone still wants to sleep, let them sleep. Live by example and maybe you will make others curious and when they come and ask you your secrets, then share. Even the dark night of the soul must be experienced alone. Awakening is a lonely process. It doesn't happen in groups even though there is a so called 'collective awakening' in progress. It still means that people are realizing the same truth ON THEIR OWN.
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Nice point.
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It is the pinnacle of points, in this reference.
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However, according to the Vedic tradition there is also a point to all this striving, an end state to all the soul’s desires and longings, and this is referred to as a state of “God-realization.” The tradition holds that the only experience that will ever be completely fulfilling, that won’t leave the soul longing for more, is the direct experience of God.
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This is true, other's call it ruling with God.
we went to the moon not because it was easy but because it was hard and the right thing to do

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