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Types of Counsciousness

 
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maybe if people spoke of their very first spiritual happenings, that began their transformations.

we can't all be crazy.
 Quoting: NewHeart


indeed.
this remembered of one of my very first thread i've made here

Thread: To All Those who are walking upon the Path of the Heart
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The Question is Are You Joining In?
 Quoting: andreidita


I have been involved for a long time, live by example and all that jazz, it has led me down the path towards truth, but I have discovered most people prefer lies.
 Quoting: sadhuman


That's part of your separation from this world. Once you get past the sadness, your life will adjust. People will still shit on you and make you feel like crap, sometimes even make you cry because they can't see who you are. Over some stupid shit I found myself crying in my uncles bathroom a couple months ago, my sister gave all the women something she made by hand, all of them like 5 pieces of soap each and she didn't give me anything. It really hurt my feelings, it wasn't the thing itself and IDK if she did it on purpose to hurt me but I couldn't hold back the tears. People will hate you for nothing, not even for your beliefs, over nothing.
 Quoting: nah


sbmsbm

I feel you. My own sister has not talked to me in 11 years because I left the family religion. When I was in religion, I always felt empty, like something was off, missing from my life. I felt as though they judged everyone as being better than others, and I didn't agree. There were times while at church, I would go in my car and cry not even knowing why.
 Quoting: NewHeart


Yea, mine doesn't talk to me either, I don't even bother saying hello to her because she just ignores me. But my husband and I were just talking about this yesterday because of an incident with my dad, my husband said they have levels of respect and we are not very high on their judgment ladder. We are at the way bottom, yet my dad will use us and suck us dry if he could. And he's a multi millionaire.
"Money doesn't change people, it reveals who they are"
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I really don't care or think about what happens in the world, I'm not involved in a lot of it and have no idea what the leaders and politicians are doing. I never was a voter and never will be.

Our actions are synchronized to control things like economic collapses, and weather disasters, stuff like that. We more or less make it more fucked for people rather than good from where I am. We don't do it on purpose either, it's just an after effect of the things we have to do in this life. The separation keeps us indifferent from it. I know it sounds cold but there is no sense in feeling guilty over something we aren't being held accountable for.
 Quoting: nah


It is not about Guilt.
It is about Compassion.
Universal in respect to at least All Human Beings
That is what Humanity is about.
To Feel in Your Heart for
the Children Dying of Hunger in Somalia
To Feel for Them
in the same way
You Would Feel
If Your Own Child
Will Suffer a Similar Fate
This is the Call of Gaia
And Only Those that take heed of this Call
Shall Remain Here
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The truth I believe is that I'm in hell to suffer so that when I return to myself, I will never forget the lessons learned here, and I'm gonna have a long time after all this to remember. I still feel sympathy for all of you.

I am that we are.
 Quoting: sadhuman


maybe you will believe you are in Hell
until you will realize that you are in Paradise
some things change right near us
if we tend to look in the other direction
a classic trick of the magicians :)
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The one thing I do understand about humanity is that selfishness is far more powerful than fear to control the masses. A little comfort does more damage to continued growth than all the boogeyman.
 Quoting: sadhuman


Indeed.
But if you look at history, you will notice Two Trends inside Humanity

the selfish ones
and
the selfless ones

the selfish ones had run the place for quite a while

but ask yourself this

you Truly Know Inside that you are of the Second Nature

of Second Coming, if you will

Why do You think We are Here?
Just to Witness all this sadness?
We have already Done That with our Entire Being.

Then, Why We Are Still Here?

 Quoting: andreidita


Maybe because you are still feeling Sadness ?

Maybe because you didn't get over the selfish and selfless stage ?

Maybe because you Need to let go as in let all be because everything has a reason to Be ?

Hmm....
 Quoting: Silly Billy 42014975


mai billy tu ai fost pe la vipassana cumva? :)
ce-i cu teoriile astea cu nu exista bine si rau
totul e asa cum trebuie sa fie
si daca tot e totu o apa si un pamant pentru tine
de ce simti totusi nevoia sa-i confuzezi si mai tare pe altii?
si apropo de scopuri?
ce cauti tu pe forumu asta, de fapt?
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I have been involved for a long time, live by example and all that jazz, it has led me down the path towards truth, but I have discovered most people prefer lies.
 Quoting: sadhuman


That's part of your separation from this world. Once you get past the sadness, your life will adjust. People will still shit on you and make you feel like crap, sometimes even make you cry because they can't see who you are. Over some stupid shit I found myself crying in my uncles bathroom a couple months ago, my sister gave all the women something she made by hand, all of them like 5 pieces of soap each and she didn't give me anything. It really hurt my feelings, it wasn't the thing itself and IDK if she did it on purpose to hurt me but I couldn't hold back the tears. People will hate you for nothing, not even for your beliefs, over nothing.
 Quoting: nah


sbmsbm

I feel you. My own sister has not talked to me in 11 years because I left the family religion. When I was in religion, I always felt empty, like something was off, missing from my life. I felt as though they judged everyone as being better than others, and I didn't agree. There were times while at church, I would go in my car and cry not even knowing why.
 Quoting: NewHeart


Yea, mine doesn't talk to me either, I don't even bother saying hello to her because she just ignores me. But my husband and I were just talking about this yesterday because of an incident with my dad, my husband said they have levels of respect and we are not very high on their judgment ladder. We are at the way bottom, yet my dad will use us and suck us dry if he could. And he's a multi millionaire.
 Quoting: nah


"For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-"

:)
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Hopefully the super duper conscious and awake people will finally put the idea out that will turn things around, or not. This reminds me of mensa folks, so smart, yet, so incompetent because they "know" so much more, yet cannot help anyone else get there and look down on others.

If you're all so awesome, do something to save humanity already.
 Quoting: sadhuman


it has to be done collectively
as a whole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17349751


Oh, please. So that's one "no help" from the super conscious.
 Quoting: sadhuman


The Question is Are You Joining In?
 Quoting: andreidita


You are the superconscious - you are all-that-is (with a mental construct).
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The truth I believe is that I'm in hell to suffer so that when I return to myself, I will never forget the lessons learned here, and I'm gonna have a long time after all this to remember. I still feel sympathy for all of you.

I am that we are.
 Quoting: sadhuman


maybe you will believe you are in Hell
until you will realize that you are in Paradise
some things change right near us
if we tend to look in the other direction
a classic trick of the magicians :)
 Quoting: andreidita


When we live in a universe where life forms prey on each other to live, from the microscopic, to the macro world, where entropy and chaos rule, and when sentients choose selfishness as a norm, I can think of this as a hell universe. I can argue this logically and spiritually.

Those who look into nature and see peace are fooling themselves. We can be peaceful, but don't pretend it's universal. We can feel love, we can be love, but that doesn't make it less hell, losing loved ones is a unique form of suffering.
"All people are my people"
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When we live in a universe where life forms prey on each other to live, from the microscopic, to the macro world, where entropy and chaos rule, and when sentients choose selfishness as a norm, I can think of this as a hell universe. I can argue this logically and spiritually.

Those who look into nature and see peace are fooling themselves. We can be peaceful, but don't pretend it's universal. We can feel love, we can be love, but that doesn't make it less hell, losing loved ones is a unique form of suffering.
 Quoting: sadhuman


Ok what does a stone prey upon
what does a spring prey upon
what does a rose prey upon
what does a bee prey upon
what does a dolphin prey upon
what does even a cow prey upon

?

why do you think the logic of pray/prey is eternal?

and why do you focus on 'prey' rather then 'pray'

for a Rose Prays with its Beautiful Color for the Bee to give a Visit of Love, so that Both could Live On

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There are types of bread.

But really, "bread" is bread.

Consciousness, also, is just consciousness.
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Btw...

We met before on this forum, andreidita... you might remember me under the name Siberia...

Please forgive me for replying on your thread.
I will say nothing more, because our points of view are not the same and i don;t need to see anyone offended by my words.

For the Creation is Unity in which nothing is Good and nothing is Bad... everything IS..
And for my understanding, one must be inLove with Life itself and live it with a big smile on his or her face.

What for is all the knowledge you are gathering through lives if you cannot enjoy everything that comes on your paths ?
What for is all that knowledge if you cannot See that all has a reason and all is in balance as it is ?

Is just my opinion and again... do forgive me for my silly words.

Be blessed.

(Imi pare rau ca te-am deranjat cu raspunsul meu... Imi vad de drum :-) Iti doresc sa ai o noapte minunata)

hf
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I really don't care or think about what happens in the world, I'm not involved in a lot of it and have no idea what the leaders and politicians are doing. I never was a voter and never will be.

Our actions are synchronized to control things like economic collapses, and weather disasters, stuff like that. We more or less make it more fucked for people rather than good from where I am. We don't do it on purpose either, it's just an after effect of the things we have to do in this life. The separation keeps us indifferent from it. I know it sounds cold but there is no sense in feeling guilty over something we aren't being held accountable for.
 Quoting: nah


It is not about Guilt.
It is about Compassion.
Universal in respect to at least All Human Beings
That is what Humanity is about.
To Feel in Your Heart for
the Children Dying of Hunger in Somalia
To Feel for Them
in the same way
You Would Feel
If Your Own Child
Will Suffer a Similar Fate
This is the Call of Gaia
And Only Those that take heed of this Call
Shall Remain Here
 Quoting: andreidita


Actually, it was children that put me on this path. But like Paler, I lost a lot of things along the way. Every child that crosses my path I treat as my own. I can't do anything for children on the other side of the world, trust me, I already tried, religion and people ranking themselves higher then them got in the way. Art was a part of that plan and I just lost all interest in Art along with a bunch of other worldly things. I used to paint and hear them talk to me in my mind, then I went to go find them and I did. They are grown up now and probably have their own children. I did what I could for them at the time, it wasn't much, it was just treating them with dignity that they never had.

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Btw...

We met before on this forum, andreidita... you might remember me under the name Siberia...

Please forgive me for replying on your thread.
I will say nothing more, because our points of view are not the same and i don;t need to see anyone offended by my words.

For the Creation is Unity in which nothing is Good and nothing is Bad... everything IS..
And for my understanding, one must be inLove with Life itself and live it with a big smile on his or her face.

What for is all the knowledge you are gathering through lives if you cannot enjoy everything that comes on your paths ?
What for is all that knowledge if you cannot See that all has a reason and all is in balance as it is ?

Is just my opinion and again... do forgive me for my silly words.

Be blessed.

(Imi pare rau ca te-am deranjat cu raspunsul meu... Imi vad de drum :-) Iti doresc sa ai o noapte minunata)

hf
 Quoting: Silly Billy 42014975


nu m-ai deranjat cu raspunsul tau
dar tocmai pentru ca erai din romania am vorbit pe sleau
ca sa vad de unde vii
si daca ai fi urmarit un pic threadul ai fi vazut ca multi s-au bucurat sa-l citeasca, si chiar au avut niste insighturi
si daca tot face omu un efort sa comunice cu alti oameni
ajungand la ei printr-un procedu generic, oricare ar fi el
dat fiind locul in care ne aflam
ca dupa aia sa se focuseze pe comunicarea personala cu fiecare
ca sa-i faca sa se simta mai usori si mai pe pace, in functie de ce are nevoie fiecare
vii tu repede si ma iei la rost cu care e scopul threadului :)
intrebare care in esenta ei introduce dizarmonie, nu armonie
si dupa aia mai si dai imediat inapoi cerandu-ti scuze
ce sa zic :)
si daca tot nu crezi ca exista bine si rau
si ca toate-s una
rogu-te de ce pui atunci mai presus iubirea decat ura?
nu cumva e fix modul tau de a alege binele (iubire, armonie)
si nu raul (ura, dizarmonie)?

eu unu chiar nu m-am suparat
sper sa nu te fi suparat tu insa :)

hf
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Actually, it was children that put me on this path. But like Paler, I lost a lot of things along the way. Every child that crosses my path I treat as my own. I can't do anything for children on the other side of the world, trust me, I already tried, religion and people ranking themselves higher then them got in the way. Art was a part of that plan and I just lost all interest in Art along with a bunch of other worldly things. I used to paint and hear them talk to me in my mind, then I went to go find them and I did. They are grown up now and probably have their own children. I did what I could for them at the time, it wasn't much, it was just treating them with dignity that they never had.
 Quoting: nah


what i have wrote was just to point out that when you said

"I really don't care or think about what happens in the world"

you forgot the most Important Thing in the World

that is the Soul

for which you Did all that you just confessed in the above post

and you can call it a hunch, that i knew you have such a Story

just used those words to trigger the Soul Sharing

for it Really Works Wonders

and so it seems,

That you Do Care Really Deeply about what happens in the World of Souls

much love
and Be Blessed
Kind Soul
hf

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Ok what does a stone prey upon
what does a spring prey upon
what does a rose prey upon
what does a bee prey upon
what does a dolphin prey upon
what does even a cow prey upon

?

why do you think the logic of pray/prey is eternal?

and why do you focus on 'prey' rather then 'pray'

for a Rose Prays with its Beautiful Color for the Bee to give a Visit of Love, so that Both could Live On
 Quoting: andreidita


A stone is rarely sentient, we're talking about lessons of the soul.

Sentient springs are fantasy material.

Roses are very adept at pushing out other plant species from their area. Plants are not peaceful.

Bees are adept at war.

Dolphins are very violent, look it up. Not all the time, of course.

Cows eat plants, plants are lifeforms, even if most are not sentient.

Pray vs prey? I never brought up pray.

Prey makes sense, because you can witness it. Lifeforms almost universally live off other life forms. Prey is universal.

You believe in prayer, I do not. I admit through belief one can do amazing things, I do, but it doesn't prove anything but the power of the mind.

There may be plenty of souls watching this universe, I do not believe there is a God watching. No need, all happens as it will, which is all there is. Places like this teach hard lessons, but needed ones. I'm just tired of mine, but I still live with compassion and love.
I just get frustrated at the slow lesson learners.
"All people are my people"
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Btw...

We met before on this forum, andreidita... you might remember me under the name Siberia...

Please forgive me for replying on your thread.
I will say nothing more, because our points of view are not the same and i don;t need to see anyone offended by my words.

For the Creation is Unity in which nothing is Good and nothing is Bad... everything IS..
And for my understanding, one must be inLove with Life itself and live it with a big smile on his or her face.

What for is all the knowledge you are gathering through lives if you cannot enjoy everything that comes on your paths ?
What for is all that knowledge if you cannot See that all has a reason and all is in balance as it is ?

Is just my opinion and again... do forgive me for my silly words.

Be blessed.

(Imi pare rau ca te-am deranjat cu raspunsul meu... Imi vad de drum :-) Iti doresc sa ai o noapte minunata)

hf
 Quoting: Silly Billy 42014975


You ask some good questions and some of us share the same answers as you. I'm even surprised I'm involved in this discussion. Like wtf do I care, I'm past that.

Oh well.
"Money doesn't change people, it reveals who they are"
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You ask some good questions and some of us share the same answers as you. I'm even surprised I'm involved in this discussion. Like wtf do I care, I'm past that.

Oh well.
 Quoting: nah


:)
sorry for using romanian language for speaking with my romanian sister
but romanian is much more straight forward in terms of spiritual topics :)

and, if you allow me, wtf happened to the You you just told about. where did you lost the Caring, along the Path?

hf
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A stone is rarely sentient, we're talking about lessons of the soul.

Sentient springs are fantasy material.

Roses are very adept at pushing out other plant species from their area. Plants are not peaceful.

Bees are adept at war.

Dolphins are very violent, look it up. Not all the time, of course.

Cows eat plants, plants are lifeforms, even if most are not sentient.

Pray vs prey? I never brought up pray.

Prey makes sense, because you can witness it. Lifeforms almost universally live off other life forms. Prey is universal.

You believe in prayer, I do not. I admit through belief one can do amazing things, I do, but it doesn't prove anything but the power of the mind.

There may be plenty of souls watching this universe, I do not believe there is a God watching. No need, all happens as it will, which is all there is. Places like this teach hard lessons, but needed ones. I'm just tired of mine, but I still live with compassion and love.
I just get frustrated at the slow lesson learners.
 Quoting: sadhuman


i'll skip the philosophical discussion.
it's a dead end anyway.
i'll focus on your frustration and also on compassion and love.

Have you ever considered that you have Come Here to Teach, in the first place, and not to Learn
and that you have a hard time adapting
because you Still Remember the Soul Feeling
from back Home on your Remote World from which you surely come
Where there were so Many Things To Learn, in upper densities
But that you enrolled for the 'Learning to Teach Others the Beauty of Selflessness on a 3rd density planet moving upwards' summer course?
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and be mindful for the Hour of Truth :22
points that what i've just said is True :)

hf
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Andreidita I appreciate your thoughts and experience, this is my first and only experience in this reality, and I've learned a lot, but don't confuse inner peace and love, with how this reality is. Wide eyed looking is more honest and we all learn more from it. Never confuse how you want things to be, with what they are.

Good luck.
"All people are my people"
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Andreidita I appreciate your thoughts and experience, this is my first and only experience in this reality, and I've learned a lot, but don't confuse inner peace and love, with how this reality is. Wide eyed looking is more honest and we all learn more from it. Never confuse how you want things to be, with what they are.

Good luck.
 Quoting: sadhuman


thx for the advice
there are many who still confuse these matters
and most of the ones i am in touch IRL
suffer from this
and no matter how hard you try to explain,
they usually need a hard bump by reality,
to understand the warning they have received was wise all along
but grounding hope and inner peace is essential also
and usually on long distance calls Inner Strength and Soul Peace is all one can realistically achieve in manifest form
the balancing process depends from individual to individual
and usually a few exchanges of words
are needed to ground the other's energetic signature

Stay Strong Brother
And in Cases of Distress Call Up the Wind
It shall save the day

hf
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i'll write this in the abstract mode.

there are roughly 4 ways upon which the human being/consciousness can currently function, which can be grouped on 2 layers (each having its rational and intuitional sides

The Lower Level is formed by

1st rational - mechanical thinking logic based on sensory inputs (i.e. thinking used in practical affairs etc), - 3d

2nd intuitional - emotional level (astral) - beliefs are usually rooted at this level


The Upper Layer is formed by

3rd rational - abstract thinking - scientific mind, music composers, platonic world of ideas, seeing the concept behind the word/label

4th intuitional- spiritual intuition - direct spiritual intuition, sense of mission, higher calling, subtle conscious perceptions



the basic average joe of today functions only on the first layer. They are conscious only of the 1st, while the 2nd is largely in the subconscious area.
they are not aware of the real source of their beliefs, which resides in the astral/emotional level (e.g. fear based )

these are the perfect targets of mainstream religion, politics etc aka Sheep
they come in many flavours religious, political, special group rights etc

the 3rd level was a new comer in the last age (roughly 25.000 bc - 2.000 ad) - it really took off on a large scale with the enlightenment period. - this is usually the place of atheists. this happens because as the 3rd is a higher expression of the 1st, the 2nd level is also largely in the subconscious zone.
the focus is on liberty and truth

the 4th level was very rare in the last/current era - seers etc. it will be largely developed in the coming era of which those who understand this text are the vanguard. heart consciousness rests at this level. from this level one is able to see for example the common trait of all religions - the golden rule.
the focus is on universal compassion


agnosticism lays on the threshold between 3rd and 4th level.
when one makes the breakthrough, one starts to see the common divine source in all there is. which in itself is beyond labels and denominations (i.e. pantheism)

roughly there are two core vanguard teams. the abstract/mind team with skills on the 3rd level
and the heart team with skills on the 4th level. those of the heart team do not necessarily have also abstract skills, and vice-versa
 Quoting: andreidita


Hey Brother,

Namaste

Think I have been visiting 5 the level. Kinda fun up here. I come back from time to time...

Amethyst…



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Hey Brother,

Namaste

Think I have been visiting 5 the level. Kinda fun up here. I come back from time to time...

Amethyst…




 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18800511


DO enjoy it, Brother
And remember to bring some goodies down here,
each time you come back
The children still caught up down here
Badly need them

much love
hf
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trying to quantify, something that cannot be quantified, by the use of numbers, labels, etc., is a very bumpy road.

good luck.
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trying to quantify, something that cannot be quantified, by the use of numbers, labels, etc., is a very bumpy road.

good luck.
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what can i do, i'm a scientist at heart :)
...sometimes
but then again, we use these illusory bodies formed from this illusory matter
to express matters which in essence are beyond form and expression
and to make this experience possible
somebody had to calculate every little detail
up to perfection
on an Angstrom scale
or was it Nobody who did it? :))))

i'll go to sleep
thank you for the conversations we had
and much more for those we are yet to have

hf
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Re: Types of Counsciousness
and it is seems that with the 60th post i set up a personal record...
almost hitting 10 pages
i'm starting to get in shape :)))))

thank you all for a very enjoyable evening
much love
hf

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