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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42844333 United Kingdom 07/05/2013 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spiritual self flagellation Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42844333 You just censored a practising zen buddhist monk of 36 years to prop up your own ego, i'd say that's pwned I slap you with the stupid stick again as i am authorised to do so. You're short of a fair few epiphanies before you even qualify to talk to me my little star i did it again i just deleted one of your messages to test how zen you really are. and i let all the others, which are in essence the same. your ego yelling over and over boasting your experience of 36 years of zen practice is sooooo EGO-LESSSSSSs :))))))))) You seemed short of data, so i delivered. I am not egoless if i do not choose to be, but then i'm not the one proffessing and delivering misinformation to students, so i am free to use my ego as a tool anytime i like, it's fun. You really are a little twinkle aint ya You da man who can, come gather round people, he has come to teach us more |
SteamrolledGobias User ID: 15716609 United States 07/05/2013 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes great thread OP let me extend the original question my biggest struggle is to determine the difference between emotional attraction and spiritual attraction guided by intuition. I only keep in touch with people who I feel offer a spiritual connection to my life. with friends and colleagues this is certainly true, but I have a difficult time deciphering every romantic relationship. it is hard to know if I make up the deeper connection in my head or if it happens for a reason? any advice on this? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 07/05/2013 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Spirit666 :) I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things... How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean? You don't 'shut off' the ego. You must be aware of it, and transcend past the emotions and false guidance it provides you with. Let me just grap my popcorn and let the experts explain ;) Hi Sept! |
andreidita (OP) User ID: 41406462 Romania 07/05/2013 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if I agree with the seer thing though. I get what you are saying but in the end to be aware of a message the seer must have their own thoughts put into it instead of flowing freely which takes away from the original message. A true messenger will be aware of being one. I've had people in passing give me messages, telling me things but the way they say it wouldn't come across as this is the message. You have to master language to understand the messages from everyone. Quoting: nah imagine that your own thoughts are already optimized thinking becoming natural like breathing. no need for the voice of the thinker in the head anymore. and that from a Deep Desire to be of Help to a Fellow Being you can enter into a state of Clear Receptivity remaining yourself only as the Silent Witness Inside and at the same time a Small Child wondering at what happens Together with the Other Last Edited by VenusRose on 07/05/2013 04:08 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17349751 United States 07/05/2013 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if I agree with the seer thing though. I get what you are saying but in the end to be aware of a message the seer must have their own thoughts put into it instead of flowing freely which takes away from the original message. A true messenger will be aware of being one. I've had people in passing give me messages, telling me things but the way they say it wouldn't come across as this is the message. You have to master language to understand the messages from everyone. Quoting: nah this is where false prophets come into play. if a seer uses those truths and changes them for his/her own benefit then the message becomes corrupt. just relaying the message without interpretation or bias is a true prophet. or maybe those who came after him/her uses those messages for their own agenda then it becomes corrupt. This is where most major religions come into focus. They all have been corrupted from their true meaning over time for a worldly agenda. The original message has been lost. |
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Frater User ID: 4642411 United States 07/05/2013 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater LVX! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 07/05/2013 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater Nice, thanks Frater. |
andreidita (OP) User ID: 41406462 Romania 07/05/2013 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you have a Good Heart that is why your intuition guides you well. Quoting: andreidita Can you see the difference between a Simple but Wise Man and a Seer? the first knows by Heart and does not know Why the things are in that way. the second also knows the reasons/causes why that knowledge sprang from the heart is True In essence they are both the same. Just that the second can consciously guide others to understand themselves and the world around. the first type is usually a messenger without knowing that it is. the second understands consciously the message that it has to pass Andreita you are a seer :) I can spot one. Only a seer could explain it as well as you did. thank you for your words. what is funny though, is that i am in no way a seer according to how they are usually depicted. my path had unfolded through Abstract Thinking |
nah User ID: 39685812 United States 07/05/2013 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: nah Sorry, I just edited my post to add that it's a totally blind trust without any conscious thought, that way the ego does not interfere. :) I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things... How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean? Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure... aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that... Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart... I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :) I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit. Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest? When you find a piece of shit along side the road and you poke it with a stick, what do you expect to find inside of it, gold? No, it's just going to stink more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17349751 United States 07/05/2013 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater some can ascend without the aid of a book or a doctrine. if it has no name in the upper realms why attach a man made label. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 38848264 United States 07/05/2013 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater some can ascend without the aid of a book or a doctrine. if it has no name in the upper realms why attach a man made label. Yes, very true. |
andreidita (OP) User ID: 41406462 Romania 07/05/2013 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater Cool. Didn't know this reference. Thx for the cross-confirmation As for the path of quabbalists, i like the spiritual testament of Eliphas Levi, The Great Secret, or Occultism Unveiled The quabalic path is an abstract path which followed with Pure Heart leads to the same Truth Although, one needs to triangulate at least a few such abstract paths Lest he becomes caught in the glamours of one path |
nah User ID: 39685812 United States 07/05/2013 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if I agree with the seer thing though. I get what you are saying but in the end to be aware of a message the seer must have their own thoughts put into it instead of flowing freely which takes away from the original message. A true messenger will be aware of being one. I've had people in passing give me messages, telling me things but the way they say it wouldn't come across as this is the message. You have to master language to understand the messages from everyone. Quoting: nah this is where false prophets come into play. if a seer uses those truths and changes them for his/her own benefit then the message becomes corrupt. just relaying the message without interpretation or bias is a true prophet. or maybe those who came after him/her uses those messages for their own agenda then it becomes corrupt. This is where most major religions come into focus. They all have been corrupted from their true meaning over time for a worldly agenda. The original message has been lost. Yes, I totally agree, I don't think prophets so much see the future and say this is what's going to happen. It's in the language but doesn't come out as straight forward as most people expect. Yes, like you said without interpretation or bias, spot on. When you find a piece of shit along side the road and you poke it with a stick, what do you expect to find inside of it, gold? No, it's just going to stink more. |
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andreidita (OP) User ID: 41406462 Romania 07/05/2013 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater some can ascend without the aid of a book or a doctrine. if it has no name in the upper realms why attach a man made label. Yes, very true. and yes there are Those who can Unlock Spiritual Intuition without having to work a specific task in the abstract realms. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 07/05/2013 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater some can ascend without the aid of a book or a doctrine. if it has no name in the upper realms why attach a man made label. Yes, very true. and yes there are Those who can Unlock Spiritual Intuition without having to work a specific task in the abstract realms. What type of 'specific task'? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1634447 United States 07/05/2013 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.wikipedia.org] "Each successive circuit represents a more complex phase of evolution. In line with recapitulation theory, the model applies equally to the evolution of an individual organism and the evolution of the whole tree of life. Each neurological circuit provides a new cognitive function (whether or not the organism is aware of the circumstances that led to its activation)." |
nah User ID: 39685812 United States 07/05/2013 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater some can ascend without the aid of a book or a doctrine. if it has no name in the upper realms why attach a man made label. Do you think it can be passed on in the family without any lessons or learning of it but just understanding it by experience? When you find a piece of shit along side the road and you poke it with a stick, what do you expect to find inside of it, gold? No, it's just going to stink more. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42862003 United States 07/05/2013 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Spirit666 :) I understand that...with certain subjects the ego has no place with such things... How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean? Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure... aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that... Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart... I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :) I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit. Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest? How about when lol I say when we are in a positive environment...a truthful space where not only the ego can shine without negativity but the heart and mind can shine at the same time :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42850206 United Kingdom 07/05/2013 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It maybe a question of duality as well. You spiritual side, knowing and your physical ego side. In this life your only aware of certain things necessary for your survival. So this life is a limited consciousness, but those that meditate or have psychic events see a larger part of reality and become more conscious of who we are. So its at various stages depending of the individual. |
andreidita (OP) User ID: 41406462 Romania 07/05/2013 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yes great thread OP let me extend the original question Quoting: SteamrolledGobias my biggest struggle is to determine the difference between emotional attraction and spiritual attraction guided by intuition. I only keep in touch with people who I feel offer a spiritual connection to my life. with friends and colleagues this is certainly true, but I have a difficult time deciphering every romantic relationship. it is hard to know if I make up the deeper connection in my head or if it happens for a reason? any advice on this? You have to be clear about a few things. First, whether at Soul level you identify with the Eternal Hero in the Quest to Redeem the Goddess/Mother of the World If this is the case, then you should have had surrealist moments when you See/Hear through women, the Archetypal Goddess. If this is the case, follow Her lead And do not Forget to always put Soul before Flesh Lest the fairies will turn in succubi/mermaids |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42862003 United States 07/05/2013 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: Frater Come now, these are the four Quabbalistic worlds which equate to consciousness and also everything :) "As above so below" Atziluth The Archetypal World (pure deity) Briah The Creative World (Arch Angelic) Yetzirah The Formative World (Angelic) Assiah The World Of Action (Man Matter Shells Demons) Trolling For Quabbalists? LOL Frater some can ascend without the aid of a book or a doctrine. if it has no name in the upper realms why attach a man made label. Do you think it can be passed on in the family without any lessons or learning of it but just understanding it by experience? |
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nah User ID: 39685812 United States 07/05/2013 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: nah How are you aware to shut it off? I don't study subjects, I just know them as a result of blind intuition. I'd rather call it that instead of spiritual intuition since it's guiding with total trust in not knowing or seeing until you get to the outcome and it's always good and right, at least it has been for me when it happens that way. Except one time I tried to fight it and ended up being locked out of my house, lol! I used reasoning and logic, yet my body was stuck to the ground not letting me move, I jerked back and forth, not knowing why my body wanted to get in the car and go but my thoughts wanted me to go back inside and lock up the house. But I fought it and locked up my house and ended up being locked out. See what I mean? Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure... aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that... Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart... I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :) I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit. Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest? How about when lol I say when we are in a positive environment...a truthful space where not only the ego can shine without negativity but the heart and mind can shine at the same time :) That's awesome! It has an essence of innocence to it. When you find a piece of shit along side the road and you poke it with a stick, what do you expect to find inside of it, gold? No, it's just going to stink more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17349751 United States 07/05/2013 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think it can be passed on in the family without any lessons or learning of it but just understanding it by experience? Quoting: nah I do not know if it can be inherited. I would say not. For each must chose his/her path on their own. It's a choice one must make on their own. In my case, it was not inherited. I asked God in prayer for mine. And my prayer was answered :) But I am not religious and do not adhere to any organized religion, yet I strive for a good clean life with a pure heart and seek knowledge and foresight and it eventually happened. But there is much I have yet to learn about the gift bestowed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42862003 United States 07/05/2013 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Spirit666 Wow...yes nah I do see what you mean...that's an experience for sure... aware to shut off the ego? Well first I had to learn to drop the ego completely...which is not easy for anybody on this earth. The ego to me also acts like a defense mode ya know with certain issues...so yeah it takes some getting used to...and I am still learning from that... Then from there you know when to turn it off...I noticed the ego has no place when it comes to divine matters or matters of the heart... I hope I'm putting this down in the best way as I am not as good of a writer about such issues like OP :) I totally agree, I like my ego, we all should. I don't think anyone looking to reach a higher spiritual level should ever turn it off completely as in forever, we still need it to function in the world. I think our emotions express our ego, I tend to over look emotions when people get heated because I know it's not their true spirit. Where do you think our ego's shine the brightest? How about when lol I say when we are in a positive environment...a truthful space where not only the ego can shine without negativity but the heart and mind can shine at the same time :) That's awesome! It has an essence of innocence to it. Thank you for pointing that out...when typing it innocence never came to me...yes...we can learn so much from children... :) |
andreidita (OP) User ID: 41406462 Romania 07/05/2013 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Defining what consciousness is, is a question it itself. Quoting: Instigator When you dream, your dreams are real and sometimes you remember them, so it is a form of consciousness? It does not have to be a physical event to be real, but then what is real? A for of conscious awareness? It maybe a question of duality as well. You spiritual side, knowing and your physical ego side. In this life your only aware of certain things necessary for your survival. So this life is a limited consciousness, but those that meditate or have psychic events see a larger part of reality and become more conscious of who we are. So its at various stages depending of the individual. Quoting: Instigator as some dreams feel more Real than waking life one could say that through dreaming we learn to see the Illusion of the Waking Life and through waking life we learn to see the Reality of Dreaming once you solve the different levels of both waking life (sometimes you are more awake) and dreaming life you can easily see how most people Dream through Waking Life and also see their Bubble of Perception |