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Does Math Exist In The Natural Universe, Or Was It Created by Man? A Though Provoking Video

 
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Was math discovered or was it created? Does math exist outside of the human brain? Essentially asks the question if math exists in the natural universe or if it was created by mankind as a system of understanding, explanation, and definition.

One of my favorite quotes from the video. From cognitive linguists George Lakoff and Rafael Nunez.

"Math is able to model regularities in the universe which are not inherently mathematic, but are modeled and understood through math by humans"

Another interesting quote

"The only math that is known by humans, is the math that is knowable by humans. Mathematical realism boils down to a kind of faith. A faith in a mathematical entity, or set of entities, which is out there in the universe waiting to be discovered, and would be there regardless if there was humans or not.



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it exists but not the way we think it does
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only to a person who sees numbers everywhere. I personally don't buy into it, which is probably why math was my worst subject. I still hate doing math, although I do like Sodoku
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it exists but not the way we think it does
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It's Math, Jim. But not as WE know it!

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Re: Does Math Exist In The Natural Universe, Or Was It Created by Man? A Though Provoking Video
Was math discovered or was it created? Does math exist outside of the human brain? Essentially asks the question if math exists in the natural universe or if it was created by mankind as a system of understanding, explanation, and definition.

One of my favorite quotes from the video. From cognitive linguists George Lakoff and Rafael Nunez.

"Math is able to model regularities in the universe which are not inherently mathematic, but are modeled and understood through math by humans"

Another interesting quote

"The only math that is known by humans, is the math that is knowable by humans. Mathematical realism boils down to a kind of faith. A faith in a mathematical entity, or set of entities, which is out there in the universe waiting to be discovered, and would be there regardless if there was humans or not.



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Same as asking if rainbows exist buddy, doesn't take a scientist to realize precise or accurate measurements can first only be drawn out by an observer, much like the quantum effect of a rainbow's electromagnetic spectrum.

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Math exists in the platonic realm.
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Im not saying I agree with the video. I believe there are mathematical equations out there, undiscovered and unsolved, that will lead us to technological advances. (antigravity and such)
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I may not agree with the video but I still think it can invoke interesting thought and conversation
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ever hear of sacred geometry?
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ever hear of sacred geometry?
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Havent. Ill have to look it up
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Math could not have been created, it had to be discovered. If math was created by man, then it would be flawed. Everything man creates is flawed; what man builds, man can destroy.

Regardless of the language, math is universal? Since we have yet to discover all of the universes mathmatics, it doesn't change what we already understand.

Man knows that there are at least one hundred fifteen elements known to man. This is understood. That doesn't mean the end to the elements.

Humans are a baby race, just starting to understand the wonders of the universe. Give mankind another one hundred thousand years and see what man knows then.
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I haven't watched the video. But I'll post my opinion.

Maths is a language. For communication. Simply.

Some things cannot be conveyed by words alone, which is where maths and numbers come in.

Everything we learn (pretty much) is just a communication tool.
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Math is, of course, invaluable as a DESCRIPTION of our Reality.

When it dictates HOW REALITY MUST BEHAVE, then it becomes a perversion.

I am, of course, referring to the perversion of Math by "theoretical astrophysicists."

Math tells us that "Black Holes" exist (this has never been proven, BTW) because Math allows division by zero to result in infinity.

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Math is, of course, invaluable as a DESCRIPTION of our Reality.

When it dictates HOW REALITY MUST BEHAVE, then it becomes a perversion.

I am, of course, referring to the perversion of Math by "theoretical astrophysicists."

Math tells us that "Black Holes" exist (this has never been proven, BTW) because Math allows division by zero to result in infinity.

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Couldnt agree more.
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Trying to remember what a math teacher said a few years back. I know its theoretically impossible, but what would you have if you found a way to get a derivative to get past 0? or even get to zero?
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Maths exists irrespective of humans, or indeed the Universe. It is the fundamental. The multiverse is merely an inevitable expression of the scope of mathematical possibility. Our lives are simply explorations of higher maths.
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Trick question.
This is to suggest that man is outside the "natural Universe" is it not?

Universe creates man, man creates math, universe creates math.

Besides, rules of 1/3, found throughout nature. Scared geometry.. Plenty of math in the universe.
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I guess it boils down to, we are either here or not, then you may say it dosent matter if we are here or not, what matters is if SOMETHING is here or not. The answer is if maths dont exist then we arnt really here. I guess.

What is a quess?
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Trying to remember what a math teacher said a few years back. I know its theoretically impossible, but what would you have if you found a way to get a derivative to get past 0? or even get to zero?
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Isn't that some kinda asymptotic curve deal?

Or Xeno's Paradox?
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if math really existed, we'd never have financial problems and stock market crashes, budget overruns, etc etc
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so there is no energy?
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Perhaps math is the language of the universe?
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Math is created by humans which is why it's got inconsistencies like
-dividing by 0
-more than one infinity
-imaginary numbers

We invented math to help us discuss and communicate certain aspects of the universe. The same as language.

Algorithms exist in nature and are discovered by man.
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Math is created by humans which is why it's got inconsistencies like
-dividing by 0
-more than one infinity
-imaginary numbers

We invented math to help us discuss and communicate certain aspects of the universe. The same as language.

Algorithms exist in nature and are discovered by man.
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What are the odds of the universe being created using a mathematical system by any number of beings?
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Tat guy who made that is an al gore lover

He's a global warmist

Don't trust his videos

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Math is created by humans which is why it's got inconsistencies like
-dividing by 0
-more than one infinity
-imaginary numbers

We invented math to help us discuss and communicate certain aspects of the universe. The same as language.

Algorithms exist in nature and are discovered by man.
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What are the odds of the universe being created using a mathematical system by any number of beings?
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About 1, I think.
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Tat guy who made that is a an al gore lover

Don't trust his videos
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Tat guy who made that is a an al gore lover

Don't trust his videos
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Look up his climate change video
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It only exists because we label it as such
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And to answer question

Yes we created math

However math doesn't make anything

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Tat guy who made that is a an al gore lover

Don't trust his videos
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Gay Man-Bear-Pig!

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Look up his climate change video
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Is it anything like the "South Park" episode?

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