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If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?

 
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If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
I would like defense attorneys to ask any of Martin's witnesses or even prosecutors to explain why Zimmerman would allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds just a few feet from several homes? That obviously would bring forth witnesses which you would not want if you were the smart but depraved person the prosecution has depicted Zimmerman to be.

It is not an adult move. It is not reasonable. This is not a movie where you talk to someone for a minute before you kill them. In real life if Zimmerman is the aggressor armed with a gun and ill intent, Martin doesn't make 10 seconds much less 40 seconds of screaming.

Speaking of adults, when was the last time you saw an unfit late twenties stranger chase down a fit young athletic teenager?

Post whatever you like. I am looking for answers to questions that have been "bugging" me

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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
because he is an unusually cruel man that enjoyed seeing the boy scream for his life.

should of been first degree.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Because Zimmerman is a Psychopath who was enjoying the kill and getting a rush from the screams.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
because he is an unusually cruel man that enjoyed seeing the boy scream for his life.

should of been first degree.
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But they say he is a "smart" person. Intellect overcomes emotion if you are planning murder, otherwise we are talking unplanned killing and manslaughter.

Also where in Zimmerman's life is the pattern of torturing animals and such which would be indicative of such depravity?

I appreciate the answer, but I am just not there yet.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
because he is an unusually cruel man that enjoyed seeing the boy scream for his life.

should of been first degree.
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But they say he is a "smart" person. Intellect overcomes emotion if you are planning murder, otherwise we are talking unplanned killing and manslaughter.

Also where in Zimmerman's life is the pattern of torturing animals and such which would be indicative of such depravity?

I appreciate the answer, but I am just not there yet.
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his youth days never was an insure of the case. But I be Zimmerman was one of those little boys that pulled wings off of butterflies, just for laughs.
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Zimmerman is saying he himself did the screaming.
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Because it wasn't Martin who was screening. It was GZ. Audio analysis experts confirmed it but weren't allowed to be called into court. That's fucked enough but Martins mom and brother WERE allowed to say it was TM? Just more proof this is a giant shit show. Every witness the state has called has been a train wreck. From the "girlfriend" to the coroner who was reading from his notes. I bet those notes were written for him.
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Zimmerman is saying he himself did the screaming.
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Hello dear friend!

Yes Zimmerman and family say it was him doing the screaming, while prosecutors and Martin's family say it was Trayvon. I am trying to instill some logic over emotion to reach a degree of likelihood for different scenarios.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Because it wasn't Martin who was screening. It was GZ. Audio analysis experts confirmed it but weren't allowed to be called into court. That's fucked enough but Martins mom and brother WERE allowed to say it was TM? Just more proof this is a giant shit show. Every witness the state has called has been a train wreck. From the "girlfriend" to the coroner who was reading from his notes. I bet those notes were written for him.
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Thank you for your post. To be fair, I believe that both sides had one or more "experts" who could identify the voice. The identity just depended on who was paying them.
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So, Dad Martin stated (before) that was NOT his son screaming. Noticed how defense carefully, asked Mom Martin who was present in the Mayors office, when she listened to the tape recording of this call. Notice that she carefully paid attention....because I knew where O'Mara was going with this. Dad Martin was in the Mayors office with her. She states on the stand, that no one told her what she was going to hear that day (bs...who would go to the Mayors office, and not ask, "what are we here for?)then, she says she never had conversations with her ex-husband about this call. BS....that is their kid. Of course they would talk! It's common sense. This Mom, lost her son, and that's a tragedy. But, I do believe, this Mom is lying under oath. She has been well advised, that if Z is the one screaming, then that holds her son accountable for his own demise.
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He just posted his spam on my post, in another thread minutes ago.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
because he is an unusually cruel man that enjoyed seeing the boy scream for his life.

should of been first degree.
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Right. Trayvon was screaming for his life while he pounded Zimmerman's head into the pavement. The pain it caused hishands was unbearable, and the fear he felt while breaking Zimmerman's nose was nothing short of complete paralyzing terror.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
So, Dad Martin stated (before) that was NOT his son screaming. Noticed how defense carefully, asked Mom Martin who was present in the Mayors office, when she listened to the tape recording of this call. Notice that she carefully paid attention....because I knew where O'Mara was going with this. Dad Martin was in the Mayors office with her. She states on the stand, that no one told her what she was going to hear that day (bs...who would go to the Mayors office, and not ask, "what are we here for?)then, she says she never had conversations with her ex-husband about this call. BS....that is their kid. Of course they would talk! It's common sense. This Mom, lost her son, and that's a tragedy. But, I do believe, this Mom is lying under oath. She has been well advised, that if Z is the one screaming, then that holds her son accountable for his own demise.
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I am sure any prosecutor or defense attorney would not mention something such as that to anyone, right? I mean to do so might be misconstrued as suborning perjury, correct?

We are talking about officers of the court after all.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
And why would he call the cops first?

In hindsight he should have let the angry negro murder him and disappear into the night forever unpunished, thus proving his well founded theory that they always get away.
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Interesting point OP...
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
I got one better for you. Who the fuck calls 911, that is planning on killing someone?
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Zimmerman is saying he himself did the screaming.
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I got one better for you. Who the fuck calls 911, that is planning on killing someone?
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The Screaming Shooter, who else?
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
because he is an unusually cruel man that enjoyed seeing the boy scream for his life.

should of been first degree.
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But they say he is a "smart" person. Intellect overcomes emotion if you are planning murder, otherwise we are talking unplanned killing and manslaughter.

Also where in Zimmerman's life is the pattern of torturing animals and such which would be indicative of such depravity?

I appreciate the answer, but I am just not there yet.
 Quoting: We Who Watch


Plus calling the police too. When you want to get away with murder, youalways call the cops before you do that. Ha......yea and let the thug scream for40 seconds to attract attention so no one see you too.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Zimm was a little bit of a wanna be cop type - truth be told.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
I got one better for you. Who the fuck calls 911, that is planning on killing someone?
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It was pre-planned months in advance. Zimmerman called 911 to make himself look innocent. He knew where Trayvon was going to be well ahead of time. He planted a trap...an old-fashioned bear trap that clamped Trayvon's ankle as he was about to climb into an unlocked window. Zimmerman then called Trayvon's girlfriend on Trayvon's phone, aimed the gun at his peepee and told him to squeal like a pig.

Then he shot him, disposed of the trap, smashed his pwn head into the pavement, and broke his own nose. This was all part of his planned cover story.

He then paid the neighbors 14 million dollars in cash (which he was carrying in his pockets) to testify that the negro boy was beating him.

It was an awesome plan, both practical and plausible.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Because Zimmerman is a Psychopath who was enjoying the kill and getting a rush from the screams.
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Because Zimmerman was a slob with weak hands, who was trying to kill someone with his bare, hands; failed; left to return to his truck to get his gun; returned and shot.

That is why the boy with the dog saw the body lying there with no one hunkering over it; he was at the truck getting his gun.

The reason the boy didnot return to the body, after retrieving his run-away-dog is because the shot scared him off.
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I got one better for you. Who the fuck calls 911, that is planning on killing someone?
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Delusional, wanabe cop?
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
I got one better for you. Who the fuck calls 911, that is planning on killing someone?
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It was pre-planned months in advance. Zimmerman called 911 to make himself look innocent. He knew where Trayvon was going to be well ahead of time. He planted a trap...an old-fashioned bear trap that clamped Trayvon's ankle as he was about to climb into an unlocked window. Zimmerman then called Trayvon's girlfriend on Trayvon's phone, aimed the gun at his peepee and told him to squeal like a pig.

Then he shot him, disposed of the trap, smashed his pwn head into the pavement, and broke his own nose. This was all part of his planned cover story.

He then paid the neighbors 14 million dollars in cash (which he was carrying in his pockets) to testify that the negro boy was beating him.

It was an awesome plan, both practical and plausible.
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How long has insanity plagued you? Is that you O'Mara?
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Because Zimmerman is a Psychopath who was enjoying the kill and getting a rush from the screams.
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Because Zimmerman was a slob with weak hands, who was trying to kill someone with his bare, hands; failed; left to return to his truck to get his gun; returned and shot.

That is why the boy with the dog saw the body lying there with no one hunkering over it; he was at the truck getting his gun.

The reason the boy did not return to the body, after retrieving his run-away-dog is because the shot scared him off.
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So you are contending that Martin was knocked out and left lying on the ground? Are you assuming that Zimmerman shocked him into fainting by flashing him? Or that Martin was so tired of being chased by a creepy white cracker, that he curled up and went to sleep on the lawn?

Because, the coroner only found two injuries on Martin. A bruised on his knuckle from breaking Zimmerman's nose, and the bullet wound that ended his life.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Zimmerman is saying he himself did the screaming.
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Hello dear friend!

Yes Zimmerman and family say it was him doing the screaming, while prosecutors and Martin's family say it was Trayvon. I am trying to instill some logic over emotion to reach a degree of likelihood for different scenarios.
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Zimmerman did the screaming.

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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
I would like defense attorneys to ask any of Martin's witnesses or even prosecutors to explain why Zimmerman would allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds just a few feet from several homes? That obviously would bring forth witnesses which you would not want if you were the smart but depraved person the prosecution has depicted Zimmerman to be.

It is not an adult move. It is not reasonable. This is not a movie where you talk to someone for a minute before you kill them. In real life if Zimmerman is the aggressor armed with a gun and ill intent, Martin doesn't make 10 seconds much less 40 seconds of screaming.

Speaking of adults, when was the last time you saw an unfit late twenties stranger chase down a fit young athletic teenager?

Post whatever you like. I am looking for answers to questions that have been "bugging" me
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Good thinking. You should e-mail the defence team. Why indeed, that 40 seconds of screaming really blows a hole in the prosecution's case. You get the Sherlock Holmes award for the day.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
The defense is trying to pull a Casey Anthony. It will not work because the fact that Zim killed Tray is not in dispute.

Nice try though.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Because Zimmerman is a Psychopath who was enjoying the kill and getting a rush from the screams.
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Apparently a masochistic psycopath then.
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Re: If Zimmerman was going to murder Martin beside several houses, why would he allow Martin to scream for help for 40 seconds?
Jorge Zimmerman was screaming because Martin was trying to get the gun, and Jorge was afraid.

Cowardice is characteristic of the Latino. It was Jorge, of course.

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