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PIN!!! Cop Enraged As Citizen Attempts To Defy Independence Day DUI Checkpoint [Video]

 
Anonymous Coward
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35198516


Another fucking IDIOT that thinks he can drive a vehicle and not provide his required credentials when requested.

YOUR A FUCKING MORAN

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


Excuse me?
In America, you ARE NOT required to show your ID
to ANYONE, including ANY Law Enforcement officer,
unless you are suspected of breaking a law, PERIOD.

Maybe in Canada they can ask for your "PAPERS PLEASE",
but NOT IN AMERICA.

The police KNOW this, but ignore it anyway.
You can call their bluff easily.
Ask to speak to their superior officer.
They usually don't want to get their asses
in hot water, so they'll let you go.

They KNOW they are overstepping their bounds.
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you certainly are...ain't that neat?
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The cop is out there for other peoples safety. That checkpoint could have saved a family. The cop requested he roll down the window to detect if he had been drinking. Seems legit to me. And I am an ex-con.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40040760


the other cop says 'it wasn't a very good hit' meaning he questioned the validity of the dog's alert.

Those are honest, good cops, trying to do good, stop drunk drivers.

Our Fed/world government however is hijacking the president of Bolivia's plane right now, to get control of their country's cocaine trade. That is a real problem and morons like this only make the cops not care as much about the public. They are the only real chance of restoring this country.

You all see pictures of the guy pulling the Russian tank driver out of the tank that led to the tearing down of the Berlin wall, but the police could have shot that guy and those people if they wanted to, they had no weapons, it was ultimately the police who let them successfully revolt
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“Stop and identify” statutes are laws in the United States that allow police[1] to detain persons and request such persons to identify themselves, and arrest them if they do not.

The authority to detain on reasonable suspicion was established in Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), and does not depend on the existence of a law that specifically authorizes such a detention, so that authority exists in all jurisdictions in the United States. The name disclosure was considered by the U.S. Supreme Court in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), which held that the name disclosure did not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. The Hiibel Court also held that, because Hiibel had no reasonable belief that his name would be used to incriminate him, the name disclosure did not violate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination; however, the Court left open the possibility that Fifth Amendment right might apply in situations where there was a reasonable belief that giving a name could be incriminating.[2]


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


statutes are not laws.......There color of law!!!!!!
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07/06/2013 10:56 AM
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Some of you need to research the law. If you're operating a motor vehicle, a cop can ask you at any time to show proof that you're allowed to drive it whether you're suspected of committing a crime or not. If you refuse to show your driver's license, they now have reasonable suspicion to believe you're driving without a license, which is a crime. You can argue all you want, that is the law. I don't agree with what the cops did here, but if the guy had just given them his license, he would have grounds to go after the cops for violating his rights. As it stands, they will say his refusal to show a drivers license was enough reasonable suspicion to detain him. This is what happens when people think they know the laws.
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Everything have its boiling point.......if things go sad in olm.erika I feel bad for good cops.......
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There are no good cops, any good cop would refuse to serve this evil and twisted system. How many "Good cops" have done something against their evil collegues?
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The cop is out there for other peoples safety. That checkpoint could have saved a family. The cop requested he roll down the window to detect if he had been drinking. Seems legit to me. And I am an ex-con.
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An ex-con would have no problem with following the instructions of the police. You were institutionalized for a reason - following orders was planted into your psyche during your prison tenure. Shake it off.
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Some of you need to research the law. If you're operating a motor vehicle, a cop can ask you at any time to show proof that you're allowed to drive it whether you're suspected of committing a crime or not. If you refuse to show your driver's license, they now have reasonable suspicion to believe you're driving without a license, which is a crime. You can argue all you want, that is the law. I don't agree with what the cops did here, but if the guy had just given them his license, he would have grounds to go after the cops for violating his rights. As it stands, they will say his refusal to show a drivers license was enough reasonable suspicion to detain him. This is what happens when people think they know the laws.
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again some kiddo who trys to be smart. if he went along with the cops he would be gone in 5 min but nooooo kiddo got what he deserves
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This is Nazi Germany 1939. I'm sure most Jewish Survivors of that time, and those who watch for State Extremism, will watch this clip with absolute Horror...let's wait for the outrage. I'll be the first Jewish voice to condemn this madness...!!!!
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Bloomberg in Nyc still practices "stop and frisk". It goes on randomly without permission. Those Jewish survivors vote Democrat and are extreme left wing. Nyc is Nazi Germany 1939. You can also see the terror being imposed in Florida on Jews and anybody who defends himself. They call it the Zimmerman Trial.
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07/06/2013 11:04 AM
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Cops are sociopaths. Its better to just answer their questions and be done with it. If you try to invoke your rights it sends them into a homicidal rage. I believe cops are brainwashed and their trigger word is (among others) "Constitution". They absolutely become crazed lunatics upon hearing the word.

I know this because I was at a BBQ 2 years ago and my friend had a friend there who was a police officer. My friend and I started discussing NWO, citizens rights and the constitution and his friends attitude changed instantly. He became angry upon hearing the word. He was loud and very aggressive. He said safety comes first before the constitution. My friend had to calm him down - he was very angry towards me and said idiots like me make him sick. He was ready to fight, all over the word "constitution". I mean this guy was pissed off, slamming shit around mad.

He acted just like the police in this video. Did you notice how the cop paused then became very angry in the beginning of the video? Thats how this cop acted. Like he went blank for a moment then became angry.

Trigger words...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107938


These policeman are under the influence of a rogue state within a state. If that abused man was a Senator or a Judge, the police attitudes would have been different...humbled by a superior citizen; yet the senators and judges don't pay the policeman's salary. In effect the policeman was dangerously threatening and abusive to his Employer...something that gets any other working citizen dismissed without warning.
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I can't believe how rude some of you are. It must really sucks being you. What is it, No life, no family, no job, broke? Why come onto a thread to disrespect people? This forum is for sharing information. If I disagree with a thread. I don't talk about no one's parents. Some of you are just foul, hateful and mean spirited. It must really sucks being you. It really does.
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looks like some kid wanting his 15 minutes of fame. Obviously planned this out, with the camera rolling and all
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Re: PIN!!! Cop Enraged As Citizen Attempts To Defy Independence Day DUI Checkpoint [Video]
Some of you need to research the law. If you're operating a motor vehicle, a cop can ask you at any time to show proof that you're allowed to drive it whether you're suspected of committing a crime or not. If you refuse to show your driver's license, they now have reasonable suspicion to believe you're driving without a license, which is a crime. You can argue all you want, that is the law. I don't agree with what the cops did here, but if the guy had just given them his license, he would have grounds to go after the cops for violating his rights. As it stands, they will say his refusal to show a drivers license was enough reasonable suspicion to detain him. This is what happens when people think they know the laws.
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Watch the Clip please. You are not a lawyer
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35198516


Another fucking IDIOT that thinks he can drive a vehicle and not provide his required credentials when requested.

YOUR A FUCKING MORAN

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


Hey stupid fucking Canadian, it is YOU'RE a fucking moran. Go fuck yourself you moose fucking syrup drinking asshole.
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“Stop and identify” statutes are laws in the United States that allow police[1] to detain persons and request such persons to identify themselves, and arrest them if they do not.

The authority to detain on reasonable suspicion was established in Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), and does not depend on the existence of a law that specifically authorizes such a detention, so that authority exists in all jurisdictions in the United States. The name disclosure was considered by the U.S. Supreme Court in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), which held that the name disclosure did not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. The Hiibel Court also held that, because Hiibel had no reasonable belief that his name would be used to incriminate him, the name disclosure did not violate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination; however, the Court left open the possibility that Fifth Amendment right might apply in situations where there was a reasonable belief that giving a name could be incriminating.[2]


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


Case law is only used to settle disagreements about an established law or statute.

If case law can't be backed up by statute at the Federal or State level (or other case law), it constitutes legislation from the bench and is therefor invalid.

Judges aren't legislators and thus can't make up rules for everybody else.
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Hey citizen, get out of your car and pick up that damn can.
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07/06/2013 11:13 AM
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This is Nazi Germany 1939. I'm sure most Jewish Survivors of that time, and those who watch for State Extremism, will watch this clip with absolute Horror...let's wait for the outrage. I'll be the first Jewish voice to condemn this madness...!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2182610


Bloomberg in Nyc still practices "stop and frisk". It goes on randomly without permission. Those Jewish survivors vote Democrat and are extreme left wing. Nyc is Nazi Germany 1939. You can also see the terror being imposed in Florida on Jews and anybody who defends himself. They call it the Zimmerman Trial.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


Bloomberg is no Jew. A Judas maybe, but that is no Jew. Average Jewish folk aren't like that...He is anti-Jewish
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Another fucking IDIOT that thinks he can drive a vehicle and not provide his required credentials when requested.

YOUR A FUCKING MORAN

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


If you bothered to watch the whole thing you would have notice the Cop admitted the kid knew his Constitutional rights. That makes you the Moran, and ass hat to boot.
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07/06/2013 11:15 AM
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My mother lived through the end of the Nazi regime and then through the occupation of East Germany. THIS is what it started like. She warned me about things like this.

People need to read about the implementation of the Third Reich. History IS repeating itself. I am almost glad she did not live to see this. My God-mother who is still alive is likening this to Hitler. She is even older and remembers more... smdh
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“Stop and identify” statutes are laws in the United States that allow police[1] to detain persons and request such persons to identify themselves, and arrest them if they do not.

The authority to detain on reasonable suspicion was established in Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), and does not depend on the existence of a law that specifically authorizes such a detention, so that authority exists in all jurisdictions in the United States. The name disclosure was considered by the U.S. Supreme Court in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), which held that the name disclosure did not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. The Hiibel Court also held that, because Hiibel had no reasonable belief that his name would be used to incriminate him, the name disclosure did not violate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination; however, the Court left open the possibility that Fifth Amendment right might apply in situations where there was a reasonable belief that giving a name could be incriminating.[2]


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


In which case, pleading the fifth would be self-incriminating, and thus give probable cause to the police.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36003083


The problem here is that DUI checkpoints, while a laudable way of trying to get drunk drivers off the road, do not constitute probable cause for a search. If the young man in the video had been drinking, the cop would have been able to smell it on his breath, even with the window only partially lowered.

But even that would not have been probable cause because of the manner in which the driver had been stopped. That said, while the stop would not have been based on probable cause, the fact of having alcohol detected on his breath and other signs of impairment would in themselves warrant detainment and arrest if a breathalyzer test corroborated a police officer's suspicions.

The reason why is that under my country's criminal law, you can be charged with impaired driving if you are found to be impaired while having care and control of a motor vehicle, regardless of whether it is moving or stopped. People who have been found sleeping in a stopped vehicle where the keys were found in the ignition have been charged (and convicted) of impaired driving because they demonstrated that they were in fact in care and control of a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol.

If, however, the driver in the video had been seen driving erratically, that would constitute probable cause for a stop.

What happened here was a fishing expedition disguised as a DUI checkpoint, not a valid search, and this man's constitutional rights were in fact violated. Even if you think he was being a bit of a dick to the cop, he was acting in a totally peaceable manner and simply asserting his rights. I'm not a lawyer, but on the surface it appears that this young man has very good grounds to launch a lawsuit.

For what it's worth, Canadian courts have routinely thrown out cases where the cops behaved exactly as the police did in this video, and any evidence obtained in such unwarranted searches has usually been declared inadmissible.
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07/06/2013 11:16 AM
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Another fucking IDIOT that thinks he can drive a vehicle and not provide his required credentials when requested.

YOUR A FUCKING MORAN

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


You can't even conjugate your verbs correctly yet we're supposed to somehow take you seriously?

lol

Maybe if you weren't calling everyone who disagrees with you a "fucking idiot", you'd be taken more seriously. Name calling is a sign of shillary and/or complete ignorance.

Grow up.
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Awesome... And he is white..imagine me a Hispanic lady....shivers...
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I am imagining you as a hispanic lady.
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Me too now. "No...no...window it no roll down."
I wish I had more time so I could do even less.
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The cop is out there for other peoples safety. That checkpoint could have saved a family. The cop requested he roll down the window to detect if he had been drinking. Seems legit to me. And I am an ex-con.
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Perhaps you would not be an ex con had you known your rights,
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My mother lived through the end of the Nazi regime and then through the occupation of East Germany. THIS is what it started like. She warned me about things like this.

People need to read about the implementation of the Third Reich. History IS repeating itself. I am almost glad she did not live to see this. My God-mother who is still alive is likening this to Hitler. She is even older and remembers more... smdh
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This, my Friend is my worry. It's drummed into a person from birth in my case. Strange that when this state behavior shows itself again and other people are at the end of it, those very parents (like mine) are silent again because they think it's just some other Mother's Son! Fancy being shat on by a angry State Official just for driving your car and minding your own business. The Policeman could have handled this differently, as he would have if he knew he could have been recorded. Watching this you fear for the man in the car just because he dared question...and then gets treated like the enemy of the Police.
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again some kiddo who trys to be smart. if he went along with the cops he would be gone in 5 min but nooooo kiddo got what he deserves
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I have to agree, He knew it was a checkpoint, he knew he was not drunk or committing a crime, why not flash your ID and go? Its a simple quick stop n go. Why be so hell bent on making it as hard a job as possible. The kid was only asking to be searched and suspected of wrong doing.
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Good for him. Brave guy. Standing used. To tyranny is I difficult choice. God help us all.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35198516


Another fucking IDIOT that thinks he can drive a vehicle and not provide his required credentials when requested.

YOUR A FUCKING MORAN

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


While i wont call this guy a moron because he does have the right to do what he is doing... but you have to remember these offices are just doing their job... to keep public safety. while constitutional rights are extremely important to have; these guys also have the same rights, they have family and friends just like we do...they are not clones or aliens. I do understand the point of this video, but why make them target you on purpose? just so you can show them how much of the law you know? they are there for your safety to keep drunks off the road so they don't kill you and your family. Don't make yourself a target. if they target you for no reason whatsoever then invoke those rights as unconstitutional.. Just to be fair both the officers, and the guy involved could have made things go alot smoother had they just respected the law instead of using it to be arrogant.
IMAM:)
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Am I required to show a police officer my drivers license if he requests it?

NO! Not unless you are driving a motor vehicle



now stfu

stfu

Canadian F
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42856861


Now, provide the Federal Definition of "driving" and "motor vehicle" since you are clearly ignorant. Driving is transporting goods or services, for profit on public roads.

Since you provided the SCOTUS case that ID is only required when "driving" a "motor vehicle" please prove the officer in this video had any evidence the young man was actually "driving" a "motor vehicle".
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OP I am ashamed that idiots like the Canadian that just posted live in the same country as I do.
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like his anus some more you wuss

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Speak English motherfucker and learn to spell. And if you dont like it then learn to love sticking your up your anus.
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I feel bad for good cops.......
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They are not 'goo' cops if they look the other way while bad cops run rampart over citizens lives.

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