Who were the Picts? Did they become extinct?

i heard there were'a collection of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict' at some point, like 68'

You tell by the lack of responses that nobody really knows much about the picts, they must have had most of their history iradicated, it seems to be a common theme.

I think actually you should look here on wikipedia I dont know if its true about them coming from the med
I always thought that they mainly settled in Scotland and had come over from Norway
but I might be wrong (I sometimes am wrong) and I dont know enough about it but look here
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

maybe you can do your own research on the tattoed nation of the north that survived until the early 10th century

Ah Indy you keep info form me huh? I do know they were into painting themselves a blue color and they did get into tattooing hence the name given by the Romans,"Picts" ..they were tall and put lime wash in their red hair to make it white - they were warriors.

If I remember correct they also were a matriach society. Spoke a similar to the Basques(perhaps) related to the Berbers or Beeker people.

They took 'Ireland's' women as their wives.


they left cross symbols all over the highlands on stone. Still found today.

The beaker people or the beeker people ?
I always thought it was beaker! but anyway they used a lot of hallucenogenic drugs didn't they? I know this from school days when a teacher explained what all the mushrooms were when onn a field trip to stonehenge

Do a Clusty search.
What there is to be had, which ain't much, is there.

If you want to read some really great short stories that include the Picts and their way of life, read Rudyard Kipling's
"A Centurion of the Thirteenth" (thirtieth?)
"On Hadrian's Wall" and
"The Winged Hats"

This trilogy of stories is part of the book "Puck of Pook's Hill" which is just about my very favorite book.

The stories are set in England around the turn of the last century. They are about two children, a brother and sister, who go out to play in the woods and fields and meet up with Puck, a wood spirit. Puck introduces them to various characters from history who lived in the area, and each tells their story to the children, who are magically made to forget about the encounters afterward.

The Roman soldier in the three stories above was born on the Isle of Wight and entered into the legions as a young man. He tells his story of marching on the Roman roads and helping administer Britain, then he fell into disfavor and was sent to Hadrian's Wall, which was more or less exile. He was an officer there of some rank and made excursions beyond the Wall with his friend, where they met up with the Picts and hunted together.

Can't describe it in any way to do the master Kipling justice. I always get goose bumps when I think about those stories.
- - mercury2

Wikipedia, boy am I disappointed with them. They seem to have taken historical information and compiled a narrative of all people of Scotland in the dark ages to the middle ages and classified them as "Pict's", from the Irish to the Scots, to the Vikings that inhabited the area of Dál Riata. (the islands of northern Scotland) This information sucks!

There is no positive evidence of any Pictish writings existing today, the Pict's where a nomadic clan coming from different areas of Europe, they where separate from the Irish, Vikings, Romans, Southern Scots, etc, the Pict's where their own people that over the years where assimilated into other races. if you want links then e-mail me and I will send them to you.

they were not Indo-European. I bet they were related to the dark skinned caucasians that dominated much of the world before the coming of the Aryans.

The Picts (like the Trojans, Etruscans, Garamantes etc.) were black people related to the children of Noah who settled Eurasia before the existence of white people.

THE PICTS

AWESOME FOES OF THE ROMANS, THE MAJOR CAUSE OF HADRIANS WALL BEING BUILT.

THEY ARE ONLY RECORDED BY VICTOR, THE ROMANS AND AS WE KNOW ANYBODY FIGHTING ROMANS WAS "BARARIANS". THE SAME AS "YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US"

SO WE HAVE A TIME FRAME, THEY OCCUPIED SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL SCOTLAND ABOUT 50AD.

EVIDENCE AND REMAINS ARE VERY SCANT. THE MAJOR ONES BEING PICTISH WORDS, FOUND IN TOWN, VILLAG AND HAMLET NAMES ALL OVER SCOTLAND.
MAJOR MYSTERY.

THE ONLY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, POINT TO THE PICTS BEING SCYTHIANS OR CLOSE REALTIVES THESE LIVED ON THE NORTH SHORES OF THE BLACK SEA ROUND ABOUT 500BC. THE PICTORIAL STYLE AND MOSES OF DRESS DEPICTED ARE IDENTIACAL.

IT WOULD SEEM THEY WERE THE FIRST WAVE OF EASTERN, "CELTS OR PROTCELTS, TO MOVE WEST. THE LAST BEING THE ANGLES AND SAXONS ABOUT 400 AND 500 AD.

REFER TO TACITUS BOOK GERMANICUS WRITTEN ABOUT AD 55. SHOWS ANGLES AND SAXONS TRIBES IN THE EAST OF EUROPE.

GL

The "Proto Celts" (as you call them) were also black. Like many a black tribe, whites simply lifted their identity.

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I SUGGEST YOU GO AND SEE A DOCTOR.

WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERBOY IS DESCENDED FRON MITOCHONDRIAL EVE AND Y CHROMOZOME ADAM, BOTH WERE BLACK,

BUT HUMANITY DIVERGED INTO FOUR ROOT RACES A LONG TIME AGO AND THOSE RACES CROSS MERGED UNTIL WE HAVE THE MIX NOW.

QUESTION FOR YOU

WHO ARE THE OLDEST SURVING ROOT RACE. AND WHERE DO THEY LIVE.

GL

The oldest surviving "root race" NOW exist in the least hospitable (most illogical) place.

Read your bible.

Revelations CHAPTERS 12 and 13.

A couple of sites for you to look at:
[link to www.channel4.com]

[link to www.pictarts.demon.co.uk]

But you could have googled them yourself.

NO ANSWERS YET TO MY SIMPLE QUESTION

I WILL GIVE YOU SOME CLUES.

THEY LIVE IN TWO MAIN GROUPS IN TWO DISTINCT GEOGRAPHIC AREAS

THEY SUVIVED ONE OF THE WORLDS LARGET VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS.

THEY ARE PYGMIES

THEY ARE BLACK

THEY DONT HAVE RELIGEON

THEY CANT MAKE FIRE

AND THEY WILL NOT FARM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

GL

WILL THEY USE DEODERANT?

NO ANSWERS YET TO MY SIMPLE QUESTION

I WILL GIVE YOU SOME CLUES.

THEY LIVE IN TWO MAIN GROUPS IN TWO DISTINCT GEOGRAPHIC AREAS

THEY SUVIVED ONE OF THE WORLDS LARGET VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS.

THEY ARE PYGMIES

THEY ARE BLACK

THEY DONT HAVE RELIGEON

THEY CANT MAKE FIRE

AND THEY WILL NOT FARM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

GL

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I did answer your questions. You just did not bother to investigate.

I'll put it to you plainly then.

Pygmies are short.

White people are not.

THE BIBLE IS A HISTORY BOOK OF SORTS BUT SHORT ON DATA.

I AM REFERING TO SCIENTIFIC DNA LINGUISTIC AND CUKTURAL STUDIES.

A BIT OFF TOPIC I KNOW, BUT FOLLOWS A COMMON THEME THAT WE ARE ALL MONGRELS, WELL TRAVELLED AND ALL GODS CHILDREN.

GL

Scottish Highlands, huh?

I guess they invented a way to distill barley mash over peat fires, thus inventing Scotch Whisky. They were never heard from again.

White Slavery, what the Scots already know
by Kelly d. Whittaker
A famous history professor stated that history was not a science but a continuing investigation into the past; a person’s conclusion is based on their own bias. This story will offer evidence that the Alba, Scots, Irish and Pics have been the longest race held in slavery. The reader will be responsible for their own bias pertaining to White Slavery.

Alexander Stewart was herded off the Gildart in July of 1747, bound with chains. Stewart was pushed onto the auction block in Wecomica, St Mary’s County, Maryland. Doctor Stewart and his brother William were attending the auction, aware of Alexander being on that slave ship coming from Liverpool England. Doctor Stewart and William were residents of Annapolis and brothers to David of Ballachalun in Montieth, Scotland. The two brothers paid nine pound six shillings sterling to Mr. Benedict Callvert of Annapolis for the purchase of Alexander. He was a slave. Alexander tells of the other 88 Scots sold into slavery that day in “THE LYON IN MOURNING” pages 242-243.

Jeremiah Howell was a lifetime-indentured servant by his uncle in Lewis County, Virginia in the early 1700’s. His son, Jeremiah, won his freedom by fighting in the Revolution. There were hundreds of thousands of Scots sold into slavery during Colonial America. White slavery to the American Colonies occurred as early as 1630 in Scotland.

According to the Egerton manuscript, British Museum, the enactment of 1652: it may be lawful for two or more justices of the peace within any county, citty or towne, corporate belonging to the commonwealth to from tyme to tyme by warrant cause to be apprehended, seized on and detained all and every person or persons that shall be found begging and vagrant.. in any towne, parish or place to be conveyed into the Port of London, or unto any other port from where such person or persons may be shipped into a forraign collonie or plantation.

The judges of Edinburgh Scotland during the years 1662-1665 ordered the enslavement and shipment to the colonies a large number of rogues and others who made life unpleasant for the British upper class. (Register for the Privy Council of Scotland, third series, vol. 1, p 181, vol. 2, p 101).

The above accounting sounds horrific but slavery was what the Scots have survived for a thousand years. The early ancestors of the Scots, Alba and Pics were enslaved as early as the first century BC. Varro, a Roman philosopher stated in his agricultural manuscripts that white slaves were only things with a voice or instrumenti vocali. Julius Caesar enslaves as many as one million whites from Gaul. (William D Phillips, Jr. SLAVERY FROM ROMAN TIMES TO EARLY TRANSATLANTIC TRADE, p. 18).

Pope Gregory in the sixth century first witnessed blonde hair, blue eyed boys awaiting sale in a Roman slave market. The Romans enslaved thousands of white inhabitants of Great Britain, who were also known as Angles. Pope Gregory was very interested in the looks of these boys therefore asking their origin. He was told they were Angles from Briton. Gregory stated, “Non Angli, sed Angeli.” (Not Angles but Angels).

The eighth to the eleventh centuries proved to be very profitable for Rouen France. Rouen was the transfer point of Irish and Flemish slaves to the Arabian nations. The early centuries AD the Scottish were known as Irish. William Phillips on page 63 states that the major component of slave trade in the eleventh century were the Vikings. They spirited many ‘Irish’ to Spain, Scandinavia and Russia. Legends have it; some ‘Irish’ may have been taken as far as Constantinople.

Ruth Mazo Karras wrote in her book, “SLAVERY AND SOCIETY IN MEDEIVEL SCANDINAVIA” pg. 49; Norwegian Vikings made slave raids not only against the Irish and Scots (who were often called Irish in Norse sources) but also against Norse settlers in Ireland or Scottish Isles or even in Norway itself…slave trading was a major commercial activity of the Viking Age. The children of the White slaves in Iceland were routinely murdered en masse. (Karras pg 52)

According to these resources as well as many more, the Scots-Irish have been enslaved longer than any other race in the world’s history. Most governments do not teach White Slavery in their World History classes. Children of modern times are only taught about the African slave trade. The Scots do not need to be taught because they are very aware of the atrocities upon an enslaved race. Most importantly, we have survived to become one to the largest races on Earth!!!

White Slavery in America

The topic of this story is a sensitive one yet one of great importance. White slavery in America was real. There are many documents that verify the bondage, kidnapping and transporting of Brits to the Colonies as slaves. The importance of this story will help those who cannot find a ship passenger list on their ancestor. This story may not pertain to all who came to America that are not listed on ship passenger lists.

The Journal of Negro History #52 pp.251-273 states, “The sources of racial thought in Colonial America pertaining to slave trade worked both directions with white merchandise as well as black.”

Thomas Burton recorded in his Parliament Diary 1656-1659 vol. 4 pp. 253-274 a debate in the English Parliament focusing on the selling of British whites into slavery in the New World. The debate refers to whites as slaves ‘whose enslavement threatened the liberties of all Englishmen.’

The British government had realized as early as the 1640’s how beneficial white slave labor was to the profiting colonial plantations. Slavery was instituted as early as 1627 in the British West Indies. The Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series of 1701 records 25000 slaves in Barbados in which 21700 were white slaves.

George Downing wrote a letter to the honorable John Winthrop Colonial Governor of Massachusetts in 1645, “planters who want to make a fortune in the West Indies must procure white slave labor out of England if they wanted to succeed.” Lewis Cecil Gray’s History of Agriculture in the Southern United States to 1860 vol.1 pp 316, 318 records Sir George Sandys’ 1618 plan for Virginia, referring to bound whites assigned to the treasurer’s office. “To belong to said office forever. The service of whites bound to Berkeley Hundred was deemed perpetual.”

The Quoke Walker case in Massachusetts 1773 ruled that; slavery contrary to the state Constitution was applied equally to Blacks and Whites in Massachusetts.

Statutes at Large of Virginia, vol. 1 pp. 174, 198, 200, 243 & 306 did not discriminate Negroes in bondage from Whites in Bondage.

Marcellus Rivers and Oxenbridge Foyle, England’s Slaves 1659 consists of a statement smuggled out of the New World and published in London referring to whites in bondage who did not think of themselves as indentured servants but as “England’s Slaves” and “England’s merchandise.”

Colonial Office, Public Records Office, London 1667, no. 170 records that “even Blacks referred to the White forced laborers in the colonies as “white slaves.” Pages 343 through 346 of Historical Sketch of the Persecutions Suffered by the Catholics of Ireland by; Patrick F. Moran refers to the transportation of the Irish to the colonies as the “slave-trade.”

Ulrich B. Phillips, Life and Labor in the Old South explain that white enslavement was crucial to the development of the Negro slave system. The system set up for the white slaves governed, organized and controlled the system for the black slaves. Black slaves were “late comers fitted into a system already developed.” Pp 25-26. John Pory declared in 1619, “white slaves are our principle wealth.”

The above quotations from various authors are just the tip of the iceberg on the white slave trade of the Americas. People from the British Isles were kidnapped, put in chains and crammed into ships that transported hundreds of them at a time. Their destination was Virginia Boston, New York, Barbados and the West Indies. The white slaves were treated the same or worse than the black slave. The white slave did not fetch a good price at the auction blocks. Bridenbaugh wrote in his accounting on page 118, having paid a bigger price for the Negro, the planters treated the black better than they did their “Christian” white servant. Even the Negroes recognized this and did not hesitate to show their contempt for those white men who, they could see, were worse off than themselves.

Governments have allowed this part of American and British history to be swallowed up. The contemptible black slavery has taken a grip on people associated with American History. Yet, no one will tell of these accountings that are well established on to the middle 1800’s.

Slavery is not something to be proud of but it is a fact that happened to every country, kingdom and empire that has been on this earth. Each of us needs to search our hearts and find the answer to stop racial hatred. One place to begin; realize that the black race was not the only race in the last 400 years that was in bondage.

"IT WOULD SEEM THEY WERE THE FIRST WAVE OF EASTERN, "CELTS OR PROTCELTS, TO MOVE WEST. THE LAST BEING THE ANGLES AND SAXONS ABOUT 400 AND 500 AD."

A bbc tv documentary about the celts which aired just a few weeks ago, showed that the people of Ireland,Wales and western Scotland were not genetically the same as the Celts that came from the east.

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I AGREE. I USE THE TERM PROTOCELT TO DESRIBE PREHISTORIC TRIBAL GROUPINGS.

PRE PYRAMID TIMES EUROPE HAD A CONTINENTAL WIDE CULTURE WITH A MASSIVE SEAFARING ABILITY. THIS IS EVIDENCED AS FAR AWAY AS THE TAKLA MAKKAN DESSERT, AUSTRALIA, PAKISTAN AND NEW ZEALAND.

DUE TO PRESURE FROM THE EAST AND GLOBAL CATASTROPHE, IT VERY SLOWLY COLLAPSED. ITS RESIDUAL, AS WE KNOW FROM THE ROMANS WAS THE CELTS, GAULS, BRITONS AND GERMANS. TO THIS WE CAN ADD THE GREEKS, CIMMERAN AND SYTHIANS. (PICTS?)

MOST ARTIFACTS RECOVERED INDICATE CONTRAY TO ROMAN REPORTS THAT THESE WERE A VERY SOPHISTICATED AND SKILLED PEOPLE BUT WERE NOT CITY DWELELRS OR BUILDERS.

GOING BACK TO PROTOCELTS, STONEHENGE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. AS IN TODAYS TIME, MASSIVE PROJECTS REQUIRE MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE SAME THEN AND EVIDENCE OF A EUROPEAN WIDE CULTURE THAT BUILT IT IS EMERGING FROM THE MISTS OF TIME. THE RECENTLY DISCOVERED ARCHER KING, FROM STONEHENGE WAS FROM SWITZERLAND,

HISTORY IS FAR MORE INTERESTING THAN WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT.

GL

you could start here at this website

[link to www.holyrood.org.uk]

Picts: blue men

Came from the Beaker peoples/Double-bladed Ax peeps; from Minoan/Crete region; originally from Canaan/Phoenicia. Were Druids/Molech worshippers; were familiars with the monolith builders; see info on Stonehenge, etc. See also Isle of Mann.

Related to the Danes and Jutes...

Originally all were Phoenicians/Canaanites.

ROUGHLY CORRECT ORDER

PROTOCELTS INCLUDING BEAKER PEOPLE

CRETANS

TOCHARIANS

CIMMERANS

SYTHIANS

DORIANS

PHOENECIANS

CARTHAGINIANS

GEERTMEN

CELTS

GAULS

GERMANS

FRANKS

THE WHOLE CARTHAGINIAN ROMAN THING WAS A FIGHT TO THE DEATH OVER IDEOLOGY.

THE ROMANS INJECTED ASIAN CITY STATE IDEAS INTO EUROPE ALONG WITH ROMAN BABYLONIAN LAW (HAMMURABI CODE)

BASQUES BRITONS ETC WERE REMAINS OF AN EVEN OLDER CULTURE PERHAPS ALSO CANARY ISLANDERS.

GL

The Picts are mentioned in this document about The Stone of Destiny: [link to jahtruth.co.uk]