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Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God

 
Anonymous Coward
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[link to www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk]

Two men have suffered terrifying visual and auditory hallucinations after eating a popular local seafish in Mediterranean restaurants.

According to a clinical study on the patients, which is due to be published in the journal Clinical Toxicology, the men started seeing and hearing things after contracting a rare form of hallucinogenic poisoning from the Salema fish they were dining on.

The species is a popular food fish and is not normally hallucinogenic.

Ichthyoallyeinotoxism, or hallucinogenic fish poisoning, is caused by eating the heads or body parts of certain species of herbivorous fish and has previously only been recorded from the Indo Pacific.

The effects of eating ichthyoallyeinotoxic fishes, such as certain mullet, goatfish, tangs, damsels and rabbitfish, are believed to be similar to LSD, and may include vivid and terrifying auditory and visual hallucinations. This has given rise to the collective common name for ichthyoallyeinotoxic fishes of "dream fish".

Pommier and de Haro of the Toxicovigilance Centre Antipoison at Marseille's Hospital Salvator, who undertook the study, said that the men had both eaten a fish called Sarpa salpa, and subsequently suffered from CNS disturbances including terrifying hallucinations and nightmares.

One of the men, a 40-year old, was admitted to hospital suffering from a digestive problem and frightening visual and auditory hallucinations, which took 36 hours to disappear. The second man, a 90-year old, suffered from auditory hallucinations a couple of hours after eating the same species of fish, followed by a series of nightmares over the next two nights.

The poisoning can start to cause vivid hallucinations within minutes of eating a poisonous fish and may last for days, often with no other effects. There is no antidote.

Ichthyoallyeinotoxism
Indoles, with similar chemical effects to LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) are believed to be responsible and may be consumed when the fish eat algae or phytoplankton containing the chemicals. All of the species effected by ichthyoallyeinotoxism are algal grazers.

Others have claimed that different species of ichthyoallyeinotoxic fishes, such as Kyphosus fuseus, contain much more potent hallucinogens, such as dimethyltryptamine or DMT, which is considered to be one of the world's most mind-bending hallucinogenic chemicals.

Sarpa salpa
The fish consumed by the men was a member of the Sparidae family and is commonly known as the Salema porgy.

The fish reaches a size of around 50cm/20" and occurs through much of the eastern Atlantic and Mediterranean. You can view the distribution of Sarpa salpa on Practical Fishkeeping's Fish Mapper.

According to the paper, Sarpa salpa was consumed as a recreational drug in the Med during the Roman Empire.

For more details on the hallucinatory fish poisonings see the paper: de Haro L, Pommier P (2006) - Hallucinatory fish poisoning (ichthyoallyeinotoxism): two case reports from the Western Mediterranean and literature review. Clin Toxicol (Phila). 2006;44(2):185-8.
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
Is this like eating puffer fish or smoking banana peels or licking toads?
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04/30/2006 07:36 AM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
Our Jack Russell terrier, who feels compelled to try to kill anything that lives, tried to kill and eat a horned toad.
She was unsucessful, and the toad was unharmed.
Moral: if you live in the western US dO NOT lick toads.
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
Salvador Dali would eat a certain kind of fish in his painting rituals at certain times of the year. I could imagine it was for these hallucinogenic effects that these 2 men experienced.
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04/30/2006 08:34 AM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
In Scottland and Mexicao, these fish heads have been decriminalised. You are allowed to have small amounts in your possession now for personal use.
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04/30/2006 08:54 AM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
Never seen God after eating fish, but I have seen heaven after eating pussy...
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
I smoked a salmon once...
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I smoked a salmon once...

Whas it hard to lite? stoner
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04/30/2006 09:09 AM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
maybe that's the fish Bush is eating?
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so that explains my 'ol mans excuses for not doing dishes after we eat.and all this time I thought he was faking it......
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"Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God"

So, god is a product of men's hallucination ?
I'm smarter than a rock
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04/30/2006 09:27 AM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
lol

Please, give me the name of this restaurant.
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
is there no fish with psylicybin?
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Our own brains contain trace amounts of DMT, maybe the zombies are onto something...
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04/30/2006 10:33 AM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
If a fish is named goatfish, tangs, damsels or rabbitfish it's probably best not to eat them anyway.
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04/30/2006 11:14 AM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
Is this due to the legendary Mediterranean Blotter fish?

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It's that 4 way herring, good shit maynard...
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LOL OIM! These criminal fishes...they are full of "good stuff"; I myself prefer to eat deadly fugufish. :D
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[link to www.flmnh.ufl.edu]
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I've often seen Cod before I eat fish...
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
where does it say they saw God?
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
All it says is they saw or heard something that terrified them.
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
"I smoked a salmon once...

Whas it hard to lite?"


Only if you let the paper get wet.
Don't judge me monkey.
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04/30/2006 12:30 PM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
just to point out after reading the link i found that it says nothing pertaining to what iether of the men saw when they were hallucinating.so this god comment you just made up to embelish. you are a idiot to do such things, why not keep it real and factual you moron.its minds like yours that bury truths.
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04/30/2006 01:50 PM
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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish - See God
Mercury eating their brains!
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If God dropped acid, would he see people?
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