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Is the NSA Blackmailing Obama?

 
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If anything the NSA has been one of many tools the president's administration has used to attain godlike powers over their opposition, enemies and over they people...

When Obama was a senator he was just another target, like everyone else...
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You should watch this. Tice is accusing the NSA of blackmailing the entire US government.
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From what I saw as a kid growing up in those circles, everyone that holds an office in any sort of power ends up blackmailed. If there is no dirt to dig up on them, it'll be fabricated.
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Being under surveillance and being blackmailed are two different things
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Don't be naive AC. Any information gained by surveillance that can be used to their advantage and for their agendas, will certainly be used.

Blackmail is a given for these filthy fuckers.
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If anything the NSA has been one of many tools the president's administration has used to attain godlike powers over their opposition, enemies and over they people...

When Obama was a senator he was just another target, like everyone else...
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What if they knew putting a black man in power would piss Satan off? I'll never forget the day I saw him on TV, way before he ran for president, saying I want him to be our president. Nobody believed me that he will be, but it was fun going around "voters" saying why you bothering to vote for someone if you don't know who the winner is? That's why I don't bother voting.
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This has always been the most important issue in NSA spying. Ordinary serfs like us are generally not of great interest to the NSA. Rather, the rich, the powerful, and the famous are the NSA's primary targets--for blackmail.

Evidence is strong that FBI director J. Edgar Hoover blackmailed politicians for decades. President Harry Truman specifically complained:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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"...we want no Gestapo or secret police. FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail. J. Edgar Hoover would give his right eye to take over, and all congressmen and senators are afraid of him."
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The NSA now has spying technology two orders of magnitude more powerful than anything J. Edgar ever had, and is collecting two orders of magnitude more dirt. Does anyone imagine that NSA director Keith Alexander, a known perjurer, is any more virtuous than Hoover? Of course not. Like Hoover, he rarely needs to specifically deliver blackmail letters. Politicians know what they've done, and they know that Alexander knows; and that's enough.

Even a truly immaculate politician with nothing to hide nevertheless has plenty to fear. The NSA's unparalleled ability to hack computer and communication systems necessarily includes the ability to plant false information.

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every PotUS should be under constant surveillance from our intel agencies. this is an important position and they need to ensure we do not have a traitor in office.
 Quoting: m&m's

Only if all such information is promptly made public. Otherwise, he who is in charge of surveillance becomes a shadow tyrant, and hence a traitor.

Here is the basic principle behind the criminalization (banning) of blackmail. If you have information, you can either keep it quiet or release it; but to threaten (explicitly or implicitly) to release it unless people do what you want is a form of tyranny over other people's lives.

The logical corollary is that anyone with secret information about others has the power of blackmail. Such power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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I want to know who the hypocrites are, if blackmailing them works then so be it.
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You entirely miss the point.

You will never know who the hypocrites are, because blackmail works. It effectively bends people--particularly the rich, the powerful, and the famous--to the will of the Emperor of Intelligence, the Supreme Hypocrite.

Your statement would only have logic if the intelligence system were entirely automated, so that all information about TPTB were automatically published for all to read. And even in that case, the chief programmer of that automated system would then become the Emperor of Intelligence who could selectively bypass his system in favor of those who bend to his will. Whoever had the power to turn off the security cameras of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, could also turn off any system meant to monitor our leaders.

Do you understand the problem? It is in principle no different from that faced by our Founding Fathers: No one can be trusted! Only a foolproof, criminal-proof system of checks and balances can provide us with any protection against the powerful psychopaths who otherwise eventually take over every government.

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Poor libtards, they just can't accept that their tin god is flawed, so it has to be the mean ole NSA blackmailing him.

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I want to know who the hypocrites are, if blackmailing them works then so be it.
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You entirely miss the point.

You will never know who the hypocrites are, because blackmail works. It effectively bends people--particularly the rich, the powerful, and the famous--to the will of the Emperor of Intelligence, the Supreme Hypocrite.

Your statement would only have logic if the intelligence system were entirely automated, so that all information about TPTB were automatically published for all to read. And even in that case, the chief programmer of that automated system would then become the Emperor of Intelligence who could selectively bypass his system in favor of those who bend to his will. Whoever had the power to turn off the security cameras of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, could also turn off any system meant to monitor our leaders.

Do you understand the problem? It is in principle no different from that faced by our Founding Fathers: No one can be trusted! Only a foolproof, criminal-proof system of checks and balances can provide us with any protection against the powerful psychopaths who otherwise eventually take over every government.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


Well if they are honest they wouldn't have this problem now would they? Yes I understand the problem, there are many deceitful people in power and the only way to get them out is to play their game honestly with inside info about them. BTW, thanks for the red, brought to you by the honest NSA.

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Poor libtards, they just can't accept that their tin god is flawed, so it has to be the mean ole NSA blackmailing him.

rofl
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They're blackmailing the conservatards too.

What sort of nasty shit do you think they have on this fella, for example.

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This makes a lot of sense to me. Why? Because our elected officials all fail to accomplish anything, no matter how "outraged" they say they are.

We must elect only people with impeccable morals & past histories. Then, they could not be morally blackmailed. However, we must provide around the clock military protection for them & their families.

Out with all the old & in with the investigated & vetted new.
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Won't work.

War Commissions Act legalized using ENHANCED INTERROGATION TACTICS that are hidden as "sources and methods" that have to be protected to maintain NATIONAL SECURITY.

One EI method......is subliminal programming against the target's will.

Look what they did to JUDGE PETER GREGORY IN SIOUX FALLS, SD.

LOOK what they did to Eliot Spitzer?

Nobody can defend against it.

They can frame anybody....rationalize that to secretly stalk, frame, harass, assault, and provoke......anybody into doing anything.

That's how VIGILANTE GANG STALKING IS USED....and COMPARTMENTALIZED....so idiots don't "have to understand the totality" of their foot, vehicle and electronic surveillance.

Imagine what and how THE FBI CAN ABUSE SURVEILLANCE AND INFO to harass the target at his home, neighborhood, jobsite....social circle...church....etc.

They did it to me.........it's called GANG STALKING AND FBI MONITORS, AUDITS, PROMOTES, PROTECTS, AND SUPERVISES THE LITTLE PUNK GAMES THAT BOB MUELLER RATIONALIZED AS COUNTER TERROR because, as Mueller stated, "....we can't take any chances....".

That statement was used by MUELLER TO GLOSS OVER OUTRAGEOUS CRIMINALITY BY FBI AGENTS HIDING LIKE PUNKS BEHIND CONTRACTORS, GOONS, CRIMINAL PAROLES, HITMEN, etc.

It's always an FBI CONSPIRACY TO VIOLATE CIVIL LIBERTIES OF ANYONE....for any reason...not necessarily tied to a legitimate law enforcement inquiry.

The punk Mueller.......knew I tied his ass to his criminal liablity in THE WELLSTONE MURDER, THE CHRISTINA MOORE MURDER, AND THE SOUTH DAKOTA MURDERS.

FOLLOWED by the Quartzite, ARizona, murder.......using a contractor who was given an FBI machine gun and access to secure files (when the dude did not have a security clearance to access those files).

Vigilantes and watch groups............have access to secure info and they disseminate that info online at this forum.

ALL MY COMPLAINTS WERE OBSTRUCTED BY MUELLER'S ABUSE OF HIS DESCRETION, and the slob also used contractors to "chill and tamper with my right to counsel" to sue Bob "fuck you" Mueller.

My first DOJ OIG COMPLAINT, got moved to FBI OPR, where.........no interview occurred and of course...no charges or crim referral was put on a US ATTORNEYS DESK.

MUELLER COVERED UP HIS CRIMINALITY AS HE MICROMANAGED THE BOGUS HARASSMENT OF ME.

HE GOT AWAY WITH IT SO FAR.

HE STOLE THE 152, 000, 000$ that the pig owes......and he whacked out the Florida Ponzi Schemer (Bob stayed at this man's rental property while on vacation) so Mueller could silence the only person who could "tie him to his offshore bank account in Israel".

Dead Ponzi Schemers tell no tales.

DOJ admitted (after I posted this on my blog) that...uh....we just can't track bank records to Israel????

Imagine that..........NSA Meta Data MIning....can't track bank transfers....in amounts that trigger SAR ("suspicious activity reports").

Alot more scandals.

Sioux FAlls, SD, saw the Mayor Munson.........steal 2.3 million bucks.................and when confronted....the pigs only had to pay off a million donated by some mysterious anonymous donar who gave some of the money back?

That was the story by Argus Leader.

An Anonymous donon gave a million dollars back to the city?

That's how weak the punks are.

And........that money was stolen to buy an old movie theatre in Sioux Falls, SD.

The pigs toog keystrokes off my home computer....when I wrote in my journal...that "I planned on buying that theatre" with the money Mueller stole.

Thus......morons (The Sioux FAlls, SD, Joint Fed Local Terrorism Task Force)........engaged in real estate speculation with stolen money and illegally obtained private info that is ILLEGAL TO DISSEMINATE.....AS PART OF AN EXTORTIONATE CONSPIRACY IN WHICH former punk county prosecutor DAVE NELSON OR Ass. SD Atty General DON "two paychecks" SRSTKA could and would abuse the prosecutorial powers to "malicously prosecute me" as leverage to "force me to buy back the theatre" at an inflated price (25, 50, 75 million dollars???).

Too bad Mueller's FBI stole my money.

Too bad Mueller made enemies in Sioux Falls....and these enemies got caught.....but Bob never got investigated, polygraphed, subliminally programmed....audited by IRS...etc.

What is ERIC HOLDER'S role in the stolen 152 million?

What's his cut?
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I do hear what you are saying, but there are a few things out there that they can not control. And believe me, they are aware of those things. Try as they might, they just can't do one thing about that which they are aware they can not control. It drives them nuts, it haunts their dreams, it keeps them awake at night. But..... TPTB are not intelligent enough nor strong enough to effect any change to these things.

What are these things? People with very strong, clear, intelligent minds. They are unable to corrupt the incorruptible. These people are protected by a power much, much greater than theirs. They are called the chosen ones.

Believe me, I know how weird this sounds, but I have come to know they are here, now. Some may not even know who they truly are, but they will be identified in the hear future. This is why Mr. Obummer chose to allow many to refer to him as a chosen one. He is NOT one of the chosen ones. He can never be a chosen one. The chosen ones were born as chosen ones. They do not have to pretend. Their powers are great & TPTB are incapable of stopping the chosen ones.

yoda So sit back, take a deep breath, relax, grab a bowl of popcorn & enjoy being awakened to the truth. I don't believe it will be long now. Watch & learn :)
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BTW, thanks for the red, brought to you by the honest NSA.
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I don't understand this last comment. Are you referring to GLP's green/red reputation system (which I don't normally use)? Did you attempt to reduce my reputation, or are your claiming (incorrectly) that I attempted to reduce yours?

I realize that other people like to attack me, and I don't have the time, interest, or experience to retaliate. Such is the life of someone who has real work to do in real life.
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Evidence is strong that FBI director J. Edgar Hoover blackmailed politicians for decades.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First

One need merely google

j edgar hoover blackmail

to find more on this. Analogizing this to the 100x more powerful NSA is obvious.

[link to www.thedailybeast.com]
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“The moment [Hoover] would get something on a senator,” said William Sullivan, who became the number three official in the bureau under Hoover, “he’d send one of the errand boys up and advise the senator that ‘we’re in the course of an investigation, and we by chance happened to come up with this data on your daughter. But we wanted you to know this. We realize you’d want to know it.’ Well, Jesus, what does that tell the senator? From that time on, the senator’s right in his pocket.”

Lawrence J. Heim, who was in the Crime Records Division, confirmed to me that the bureau sent agents to tell members of Congress that Hoover had picked up derogatory information on them.
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[FBI liaison to Congress] DeLoach “hinted” that he had “information that was unflattering and detrimental to my marital situation and that the senator might be disturbed,” said Elson, who was then married to his second wife. “I was certainly vulnerable that way,” Elson said. “There was more than one girl [he was seeing]. . . . The implication was there was information about my sex life. There was no doubt in my mind what he was talking about.”
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Reading the Official and Confidential files that survived makes it clear they could have been gathered for no other purpose than blackmail. For example, on June 13, 1958, the head of the Washington field office informed Hoover that, prior to marrying a member of Congress, the member’s wife had been “having an affair with a Negro [and] also at one time carried on an affair with a House Post Office employee.” More recently, the report said, the congressman’s wife “endeavored to have an affair with [an] Indonesian, who declined.”

In response to this tidbit, Hoover wrote back on June 25 that it was “certainly thoughtful of you to advise me of matters of current interest, and I am glad to have the benefit of this information.”
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Hoover let presidents know that he had dirt on them as well. For example, on March 22, 1962, Hoover had lunch with President Kennedy. Hoover told him that through bugs and wiretaps, the FBI had learned that Jack was having an affair with Judith Campbell Exner, a twenty five-year-old divorcée. Hoover informed the president that Exner was also having an affair with Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana.
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Poor libtards, they just can't accept that their tin god is flawed, so it has to be the mean ole NSA blackmailing him.

rofl
 Quoting: chuckles 2417276


They're blackmailing the conservatards too.

What sort of nasty shit do you think they have on this fella, for example.


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Nah, lindsey grahamnesty is a traitor is his own right!!!
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Information - especially intensive data on what someone is doing 24/7 - is power. And power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts, absolutely!

The danger in having any one agency scrutinizing all others is that agency will grow so powerful that it will be able to exercise control over the very agencies which are charged and lawfully appointed (ie: the Congress and the US Senate) to oversee the "snooping" agencies or entities.

Get enough "dirt" on them, and the control over their actions politically becomes absolute. Instead of voting to serve the interests of their constituents, they vote as told to vote by the entity that has the "goods" on them. And instead of protecting the people they become dedicated to protecting their own bad or illegal acts from being disclosed - no matter what the cost may be.

J Edgar Hoover ran the FBI for decades and had files and info on various politicians of his day. He could and did use this info to protect the FBI and make sure the agency was well funded by congress. HOWEVER, he had some sense of morality and didn't do too much harm over the years. Some, but not nearly as much as he could have done. He was fiercely committed to the values of America as a Nation and strove to protect those values. Merely to combat the fact that he was a gay man and in love with his 2nd in command for many years, required a LOT of judicious use of his "information" to force homophobic officials simply fail to notice the fact that Hoover was not married.

Hoover's personal secretary is said to have removed the files from his offices and destroyed them (as ordered and previously authorized by JE Hoover), as soon as there were reports that he was seriously ill and nearing death or dead. She had served him for over forty years and was committed to protecting both the country and her bosses memory.

It is said that he had correspondence from Eleanor Roosevelt to/from her female lovers, pictures of Franklin Roosevelt in sexually compromising positions with his mistress and others (including orgy shots from parties they attended) and equally damning dirt on Truman, Eisenhower, lots of stuff on both JFK and Bobby Kennedy including women, drug use, prostitutes being hired to entertain at White House functions, and more. Because this "information" was gathered by the FBI agents themselves, it was often thoroughly well documented including photos and tape recordings. Which of course tended to make it impossible to deny.
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Published on Jul 9, 2013

Abby Martin talks to Russell Tice, former intelligence analyst and original NSA whistleblower, about how the recent NSA scandal is only scratches the surface of a massive surveillance apparatus, citing specific targets the he saw spying orders for including former senators Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama


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I'm sure the blackmail everyone including Congress and the Supreme Court. And Obama must be a particularly ripe target with his open and transparent past..........

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