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-----Obama Wins Right to Indefinitly Detain ANYONE suspected of Terroism Without Due Process-----

 
s. d. butler

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the downside of this Law is he can use this as an excuse to detain anyone he wants ..
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There is no upside of "this Law".
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Maybe there is an upside. Under the law, doesn't this make Obama a terrorist? Wouldn't he then be just as likely to be arrested for the very law he wishes to envoke.

Obama wants to give arms and money for people that are fighting an existing government. Under the law, fighting or resisting the lagetimate government, or supplying said resistance with aid, would result in a charge of aiding terrorism. So, under the law, Obama is guilty of violating his own law, and therefore should be arrested and permanently detained.
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Good point. I like that interpretation.
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

This was written by Franklin, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818). A variant of this was published as:
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When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
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Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
Ronald Reagan
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Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
Thomas Jefferson
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That is how power morphs. Bush starts it all with the patriot act (quite patriotic sounding right? who wouldn't support the patriotic sounding program?) Obama expands upon it and then a hitler type comes around and says "who I can control everything" and "I get jail all my opposition"

Don't be foolish. Look at history. it has happened in other countries and it can happen here too
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It certainly can

and my hunch is they will start with the christians
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Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.
Plato
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When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
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 Quoting: Desert Man


This is one reason why what are called 'public schools' today in the USA don't teach about Thomas Jefferson or any truth about the

formers of the American constitution.

They don't want the kids to know the truth
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I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office.
Andrew Jackson
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The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over the goverment.
Franklin D. Roosevelt


Feel free to add any other quotes you may think apply.

I am afraid the government is too strong and the people too stupid
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The Obama administration has won the latest battle in their fight to indefinitely detain US citizens and foreigners suspected of being affiliated with terrorists under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012.

Congress granted the president the authority to arrest and hold individuals accused of terrorism without due process under the NDAA, but Mr. Obama said in an accompanying signing statement that he will not abuse these privileges to keep American citizens imprisoned indefinitely. These assurances, however, were not enough to keep a group of journalists and human rights activists from filing a federal lawsuit last year, which contested the constitutionality of Section 1021, the particular provision that provides for such broad power.

A federal judge sided with the plaintiffs originally by granting an injunction against Section 1021, prompting the Obama administration to request an appeal last year. On Wednesday this week, an appeals court in New York ruled in favor of the government and once again allowed the White House to legally indefinitely detain persons that fit in the category of enemy combatants or merely provide them with support.
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Looks like this needs to make its way up to the Supreme Court.
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indeed! It does need to go to the supreme court.


We need to put pressure on the government on this one. For the sake of future generations
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is there any interest on this thread?
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Thank you Jorge Bush and the "Patriot Act". The reich wing are the biggest traitors the nation has ever seen.
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Can't you read? That said Obama. If he didn't think that was necessary, why did he push it?

He has made every bad thing that Bush did WORSE!!

Shill!!
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Thank you Jorge Bush and the "Patriot Act". The reich wing are the biggest traitors the nation has ever seen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36119557


Can't you read? That said Obama. If he didn't think that was necessary, why did he push it?

He has made every bad thing that Bush did WORSE!!

Shill!!
 Quoting: waterlily


indeed. that is how power grows. at first it seems small and for the good. each new tyrant expands on the power until a real monster realizes what he/she has and that's how dictatorships happen
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Thank you Jorge Bush and the "Patriot Act". The reich wing are the biggest traitors the nation has ever seen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36119557


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That is how power morphs. Bush starts it all with the patriot act (quite patriotic sounding right? who wouldn't support the patriotic sounding program?) Obama expands upon it and then a hitler type comes around and says "who I can control everything" and "I get jail all my opposition"

Don't be foolish. Look at history. it has happened in other countries and it can happen here too
 Quoting: Desert Man


Obama didn't "expand" anything......Bush was the one that got it in place and someone finally got it through the red tape and before a judge while shrubsitute happened to be in office
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That is how power morphs. Bush starts it all with the patriot act (quite patriotic sounding right? who wouldn't support the patriotic sounding program?) Obama expands upon it and then a hitler type comes around and says "who I can control everything" and "I get jail all my opposition"

Don't be foolish. Look at history. it has happened in other countries and it can happen here too
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Obama didn't "expand" anything......Bush was the one that got it in place and someone finally got it through the red tape and before a judge while shrubsitute happened to be in office
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propoganda
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That is how power morphs. Bush starts it all with the patriot act (quite patriotic sounding right? who wouldn't support the patriotic sounding program?) Obama expands upon it and then a hitler type comes around and says "who I can control everything" and "I get jail all my opposition"

Don't be foolish. Look at history. it has happened in other countries and it can happen here too
 Quoting: Desert Man


Obama didn't "expand" anything......Bush was the one that got it in place and someone finally got it through the red tape and before a judge while shrubsitute happened to be in office
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42392596


As a matter of fact obongo did expand the police state that the little shrub worked on and expanded so well.


That is what NDAA is all about. And in other ways to numerous to mention here.

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Thank you Jorge Bush and the "Patriot Act". The reich wing are the biggest traitors the nation has ever seen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36119557


Dear typical idiot,

Perhaps you don't know that the grotesquely misnamed Patriot Act was actually written by the Klinton administration. Biden had a role as author if memory serves.

The Klinton administration couldn't pass it. Because, you know , there were those small issues of unconstitutionality and annoying freedoms.

The gubmint needed something like 9/11 to happen in order to get it passed.

Surprisingly 9/11 happened and the bill (already written) was passed.

Without of course being read.

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