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Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the constellation Andromeda? Its brightest star, Alpha Andromedae, is a binary star that has also been counted as a part of Pegasus, while Gamma Andromedae is a colorful binary and a popular target for amateur astronomers. Only marginally dimmer than Alpha, Beta Andromedae is a red giant, its color visible to the naked eye. The constellation's most obvious deep-sky object is the naked-eye Andromeda Galaxy (M31, also called the Great Galaxy of Andromeda), the closest spiral galaxy to the Milky Way and one of the brightest Messier objects. Several fainter galaxies, including M31's companions M110 and M32, as well as the more distant NGC 891, lie within Andromeda. Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Interestingly enough... Peg, together with Andromedae (Alpheratz or Sirrah) form the large asterism known as the Square of Pegasus. Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] So what is interesting about Pegasus? What is the historical context? Pegasus is one of the best known mythological creatures in Greek mythology. He is a winged divine stallion usually depicted as pure white in colour. Quoting: |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 01:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Previous post was simply putting into perspective where Andromeda is compared to Gemini where ISON is approaching from. Nevertheless, I found an interesting comment about ISON compared to the comet of The Great Comet of 1680: The Great Comet of 1680 has an elliptical orbit, and comes close to the Sun every 10,000 years. Comet ISON, on the other hand, moves on a hyperbolic orbit and makes a single pass into our inner solar system. After its (hopefully) spectacular display in November and December, it will return to the deep freeze of interstellar space, never to be seen again. Quoting: Source: [link to www.nightskyinfo.com] |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 01:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another interesting read was: Comets can be divided into two types depending on whether their orbits are elliptical or hyperbolic. The elliptical comets are bound to the solar system - they are part of the Sun's family of minor bodies, a family that includes asteroids,meteoroids and cosmic dust particles. Hyperbolic comets, on the other hand, do not belong to the solar system. They are either falling into it from outside or are in the process of being thrown out of it due to a gravitation interaction with a major planet. Hyperbolic comets either come from the preplanetary nebulae of the stars in the galaxy or have been formed by the condensation processes in giant molecular clouds. Quoting: Source: [link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu] Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/18/2013 01:37 AM |
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Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what are preplanetary nebulae and giant molecular clouds? Preplanetary nebulae or protoplanetary nebulae are described as: A protoplanetary nebula or preplanetary nebula (Sahai, Sánchez Contreras & Morris 2005) (PPN) is an astronomical object which is at the short-lived episode during a star's rapid stellar evolution between the late asymptotic giant branch (LAGB)[a] phase and the subsequent planetary nebula (PN) phase. A PPN emits strongly in infrared radiation, and is a kind of reflection nebula. It is the second-from-the-last high-luminosity evolution phase in the life cycle of intermediate-mass stars . (Kastner 2005) Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Giant Molecular Clouds or GMC's are described as: A vast assemblage of molecular gas with a mass of approximately 103–107 times the mass of the Sun[7] is called a giant molecular cloud (GMC). GMCs are ≈15–600 light-years in diameter (5–200 parsecs).[7] Whereas the average density in the solar vicinity is one particle per cubic centimetre, the average density of a GMC is a hundred to a thousand times as great. Although the Sun is much denser than a GMC, the volume of a GMC is so great that it contains much more mass than the Sun. The substructure of a GMC is a complex pattern of filaments, sheets, bubbles, and irregular clumps Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/18/2013 01:44 AM |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 01:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Awesome info OP. Thanks. Quoting: Paved In Chaos I would think its rotation or any comets rotation would be totally randomized depending on it's creation circumstances. Have we heard anything new about ISONs companions? This is what interests me most. :) NP, just looking for answers since there are so many questions with ISON. As for anything new, no one will know anything until mid-September and it won't really be visible until November / December 2013. |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is even MORE interesting is that... Two things are clear in cometary astronomy. Firstly,of the 700 or so comets of both long and short periods that have been accurately observed by the astronomers, none have been seen entering the solar system on a unequivocally hyperbolic orbits. Secondly,there must be many potentially hyperbolic comets in the disc of the galaxy. Out of the 120 well observed comets with periods longer than 61,000 years, a total of 46, i.e. more than a third, were seen to leave the solar system on hyperbolic orbits. There initial elliptical orbits were changed by the gravitational 'sling-shot' effect produced by the major gas-giant planets. They were pushed away by just the same process that pushed the spacecrafts voyager 1 and 2 onto their insterstellar journeys. So the solar system is without a doubt a source of hyperbolic comets. The comets that it has ejected will wander off into the galactic disc and from time to time fall under the gravitational influence of other stars and may,fleetingly,be observed in that star system as having a comae and tails just like typical comets in our inner solar system. Quoting: Source: [link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu] Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/18/2013 02:13 AM |
RealCoolDude User ID: 16177025 United States 07/18/2013 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is even MORE interesting is that... Quoting: Children of the Atom Two things are clear in cometary astronomy. Firstly,of the 700 or so comets of both long and short periods that have been accurately observed by the astronomers, none have been seen entering the solar system on a unequivocally hyperbolic orbits. Secondly,there must be many potentially hyperbolic comets in the disc of the galaxy. Out of the 120 well observed comets with periods longer than 61,000 years, a total of 46, i.e. more than a third, were seen to leave the solar system on hyperbolic orbits. There initial elliptical orbits were changed by the gravitational 'sling-shot' effect produced by the major gas-giant planets. The were pushed away by just the same process that pushed the spacecrafts voyager 1 and 2 onto the onto their insterstellar journeys. So the solar system is without a doubt a source of hyperbolic comets. The comets that it has ejected will wander off into the galactic disc and from time to time fall under the gravitational influence of other stars and may,fleetingly,be observed in that star system as having a comae and tails just like typical comets in our inner solar system. Quoting: Source: [link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu] so then we can use these comets by ataching communication equipment to them and send them on their way to search for life and let others know where we are? |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is even MORE interesting is that... Quoting: Children of the Atom Two things are clear in cometary astronomy. Firstly,of the 700 or so comets of both long and short periods that have been accurately observed by the astronomers, none have been seen entering the solar system on a unequivocally hyperbolic orbits. Secondly,there must be many potentially hyperbolic comets in the disc of the galaxy. Out of the 120 well observed comets with periods longer than 61,000 years, a total of 46, i.e. more than a third, were seen to leave the solar system on hyperbolic orbits. There initial elliptical orbits were changed by the gravitational 'sling-shot' effect produced by the major gas-giant planets. The were pushed away by just the same process that pushed the spacecrafts voyager 1 and 2 onto the onto their insterstellar journeys. So the solar system is without a doubt a source of hyperbolic comets. The comets that it has ejected will wander off into the galactic disc and from time to time fall under the gravitational influence of other stars and may,fleetingly,be observed in that star system as having a comae and tails just like typical comets in our inner solar system. Quoting: Source: [link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu] so then we can use these comets by ataching communication equipment to them and send them on their way to search for life and let others know where we are? No idea as to how well that would work, but it would be a cool experiment. Should have considered that with the mission Deep Impact... not certain atm if they had or not. |
Paved In Chaos User ID: 35610176 United States 07/18/2013 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Awesome info OP. Thanks. Quoting: Paved In Chaos I would think its rotation or any comets rotation would be totally randomized depending on it's creation circumstances. Have we heard anything new about ISONs companions? This is what interests me most. :) NP, just looking for answers since there are so many questions with ISON. As for anything new, no one will know anything until mid-September and it won't really be visible until November / December 2013. I heard that it would maybe possible to see ISON interact with Mars with the naked eye. Electric Discharge perhaps? According to the Electric Universe theories. |
Nighthawks User ID: 33172024 United States 07/18/2013 02:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Awesome info OP. Thanks. Quoting: Paved In Chaos I would think its rotation or any comets rotation would be totally randomized depending on it's creation circumstances. Have we heard anything new about ISONs companions? This is what interests me most. :) NP, just looking for answers since there are so many questions with ISON. As for anything new, no one will know anything until mid-September and it won't really be visible until November / December 2013. I heard that it would maybe possible to see ISON interact with Mars with the naked eye. Electric Discharge perhaps? According to the Electric Universe theories. I wonder if the Mars rover could look up and see ISON in the Martian sky? Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I heard that it would maybe possible to see ISON interact with Mars with the naked eye. Electric Discharge perhaps? According to the Electric Universe theories. Well, I would be a skeptic of such a scenario, it just does not seem logical. Namely because of this. Mars does not presently have a global magnetic field but had one early in its life, similar to that of Earth. Quoting: Source: [link to mgs-mager.gsfc.nasa.gov] Right off the bat Mars lacks a developed magnetic field. I am assuming the last bit was buttering up the bad news because I am not sure how Mars could have had one similar to Earth when it lacks a solid inner core. They did mention though that... However, Mars does have very strong crustal magnetic fields, more than 30 times stronger than those of Earth. Quoting: Odd, considering they've been noting Mars has recently had 'quakes': The surface of Mars appears to have been shaken by quakes relatively recently, hinting at the existence of active volcanoes and perhaps reservoirs of liquid water on the Red Planet, a new study suggests. Quoting: Source: [link to www.space.com] Again, I believe the italicized portion is more b/s for things that 'baffle' them. Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/18/2013 02:35 AM |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Awesome info OP. Thanks. Quoting: Paved In Chaos I would think its rotation or any comets rotation would be totally randomized depending on it's creation circumstances. Have we heard anything new about ISONs companions? This is what interests me most. :) NP, just looking for answers since there are so many questions with ISON. As for anything new, no one will know anything until mid-September and it won't really be visible until November / December 2013. I heard that it would maybe possible to see ISON interact with Mars with the naked eye. Electric Discharge perhaps? According to the Electric Universe theories. I wonder if the Mars rover could look up and see ISON in the Martian sky? Considering how relatively close it will be in astronomical terms, it would be a massive disservice to the public if they did not. |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In September 21stof 2012, Nensky and Novichonok (2012) discovered comet C/2012 S1 ISON at the notable distance of - 6.3 AU. The object is coming from the Oort cloud with an eccentricity of 1.0000013, essentially parabolic. It has been increasing in brightness at a rate R +5.60 and if it were to continue at this rate, it would certainly attain a magnitude much brighter than the full moon. However we will show that the comet had a SDE event on January 17th±3, 2013 Quoting: Source: [link to arxiv.org] The conclusion without all of the fancy mumbo jumbo is that: We will present the SLC of comet C/2002 O4 Hönig who also presented a flat light curve and who desintegrated. At perihelion the orbit of ISON enters the Roche Limit of the Sun, and the calculated temperature is 2919K. There is a significant probability that the comet may turn off as comet C/2002 Hönig did, or alternatively, it may desintegrate at perihelion. The future of this comet does not look bright Quoting: Boy this comet sure is full of mysteries! Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/18/2013 03:26 AM |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 03:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New article today from Space.com ISON began its dangerous journey toward the inner solar system about 10,000 years ago, when it left a distant band of icy space rocks in the Oort cloud. Quoting: But wait, after sifting through the loads of rehashed bologna we find this interesting comment. A NASA sounding rocket dubbed FORTIS (Far-ultraviolet Off Rowland-Circle for Imaging and Spectroscopy) will measure ultraviolet light from ISON as the comet nears the sun, which can help scientists detect ISON's chemical makeup. Quoting: Now wait a minute, I thought these comets were just dirty snowballs, hunks of rock and ice! But wait! It gets even better! Nov. 21, 2013: Telescopes turn to ISON Quoting: As ISON gets dangerously close to the sun, solar telescopes in space and on the ground will point their lenses toward the comet. NASA has a slew of STEREO observations planned starting on Nov. 21, including a series that will use tools called coronagraphs to block out the sun and focus on its atmosphere, or corona. Source: [link to www.space.com] Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/18/2013 03:51 AM |
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RealCoolDude User ID: 16177025 United States 07/18/2013 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New article today from Space.com Quoting: Children of the Atom ISON began its dangerous journey toward the inner solar system about 10,000 years ago, when it left a distant band of icy space rocks in the Oort cloud. Quoting: But wait, after sifting through the loads of rehashed bologna we find this interesting comment. A NASA sounding rocket dubbed FORTIS (Far-ultraviolet Off Rowland-Circle for Imaging and Spectroscopy) will measure ultraviolet light from ISON as the comet nears the sun, which can help scientists detect ISON's chemical makeup. Quoting: Now wait a minute, I thought these comets were just dirty snowballs, hunks of rock and ice! But wait! It gets even better! Nov. 21, 2013: Telescopes turn to ISON Quoting: As ISON gets dangerously close to the sun, solar telescopes in space and on the ground will point their lenses toward the comet. NASA has a slew of STEREO observations planned starting on Nov. 21, including a series that will use tools called coronagraphs to block out the sun and focus on its atmosphere, or corona. Source: [link to www.space.com] so what the heck do they think it is made of? |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good question... What is interesting is why are they wanting to study ISON in the ultraviolet spectrum? I thought stars emitted UV, like our Sun or other Galaxies / Systems and like the Earth reflects UV light but produces none of its own. NASA has this to say on their section about UV. Many scientists are interested in studying the invisible universe of ultraviolet light, since the hottest and the most active objects in the cosmos give off large amounts of ultraviolet energy. Quoting: Source: [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neutron stars are collapsed stars whose surfaces can be hot enough to emit radiation in ultraviolet and X-rays. Quoting: Source: [link to www.astro.ufl.edu] |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 04:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funnier still is in the video from Space.com that was published today, in the first video states that ["...all Comets are great laboratories...'] @2:08 Source: [link to www.space.com] And yet we go back to the University of Florida and we read... Due to the extreme conditions in the neutron star interiors, these objects can be used as natural laboratories for studying the poorly understood properties of the superdense, strongly magnetized, superconducting matter. Quoting: Source: [link to www.astro.ufl.edu] |
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RealCoolDude User ID: 16177025 United States 07/18/2013 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funnier still is in the video from Space.com that was published today, in the first video states that ["...all Comets are great laboratories...'] Quoting: Children of the Atom @2:08 Source: [link to www.space.com] And yet we go back to the University of Florida and we read... Due to the extreme conditions in the neutron star interiors, these objects can be used as natural laboratories for studying the poorly understood properties of the superdense, strongly magnetized, superconducting matter. Quoting: Source: [link to www.astro.ufl.edu] Hmm sounds like your on to something! |
Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States 07/18/2013 04:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, this has been a rabbit hole and I am no where near the original question of how fast does ISON rotate... but then I ran across some of the craziest shit ever! Antimatter comet (hypothetical) Antimatter comets (and antimatter meteoroids) are theoretical comets (meteoroids) composed solely of antimatter instead of ordinary matter. Although never actually observed, and unlikely to exist anywhere within the Milky Way, they have been hypothesized to exist, and their existence, on the presumption that hypothesis is correct, has been put forward as one possible explanations for various observed natural phenomena over the years. Quoting: And that... The hypothesis of comets made of anti-matter can be traced back to the 1940s, when physicist Vladimir Rojansky proposed, in his paper The Hypothesis of the Existence of Contraterrene Matter the possibility that some comets and meteoroids could be made from "contraterrene" matter (i.e. antimatter).[1] Such objects, Rojanski stated, would (if they existed at all) have their origins outside the solar system.[2] He hypothesized that if there were an antimatter object in orbit in the solar system, it would exhibit the behavior of comets observed in the 1940s: As its atoms annihilated with "terrene" matter from other bodies and solar wind, it would generate volatile compounds and undergo a change of composition to elements with lower atomic masses. From this basis he propounded the hypothesis that some objects that had been identified as comets may, in fact, be contraterrene objects, suggesting, based upon calculations using the Stefan-Boltzmann law, that it would be possible to determine the existence of such objects within the solar system by observing their temperatures. Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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RealCoolDude User ID: 16177025 United States 07/18/2013 04:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, this has been a rabbit hole and I am no where near the original question of how fast does ISON rotate... but then I ran across some of the craziest shit ever! Quoting: Children of the Atom Antimatter comet (hypothetical) Antimatter comets (and antimatter meteoroids) are theoretical comets (meteoroids) composed solely of antimatter instead of ordinary matter. Although never actually observed, and unlikely to exist anywhere within the Milky Way, they have been hypothesized to exist, and their existence, on the presumption that hypothesis is correct, has been put forward as one possible explanations for various observed natural phenomena over the years. Quoting: And that... The hypothesis of comets made of anti-matter can be traced back to the 1940s, when physicist Vladimir Rojansky proposed, in his paper The Hypothesis of the Existence of Contraterrene Matter the possibility that some comets and meteoroids could be made from "contraterrene" matter (i.e. antimatter).[1] Such objects, Rojanski stated, would (if they existed at all) have their origins outside the solar system.[2] He hypothesized that if there were an antimatter object in orbit in the solar system, it would exhibit the behavior of comets observed in the 1940s: As its atoms annihilated with "terrene" matter from other bodies and solar wind, it would generate volatile compounds and undergo a change of composition to elements with lower atomic masses. From this basis he propounded the hypothesis that some objects that had been identified as comets may, in fact, be contraterrene objects, suggesting, based upon calculations using the Stefan-Boltzmann law, that it would be possible to determine the existence of such objects within the solar system by observing their temperatures. Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Its interesting that you found this. That is the first thing that poped into my head when I read your original post and I shrugged it off without researching into it. |
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RealCoolDude User ID: 16177025 United States 07/18/2013 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no everyone knows that was project blue beam But ISON is going to doubble dust us that will cause some problems if it is anti-matter!!!1 |
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