IRS Inspector General says that filing income tax is VOLUNTARY. Do you know if this is true?

1099 does not mean anything, you not demanding lawful money per 12 USC 411 and then using Federal reserve currency as "money" is how you volunteered.

It is only worth it to me if I'm not constantly harassed by the crooks in that I don't understand how it all works.

I'd like to see real life applications of the demand for lawful money and the corresponding tax forms.

Like a step by step.

...and fuck the Fed

Saving to the suitors club, google it, go to the forum and study away.

Thank you.

You are welcome, it is an amazing journey and might open your eyes to the biggest lie ever told the American people. In my opinion, endorsing the Federal reserve money is the single biggest threat to personal freedom there is.

Fuck the fed and redeem lawful money.

If you would do that, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you.

I am just curious but what does 12 USC 411 actually say? can anyone summarize?

to go a step further - how does the demand for lawful money automatically make your earnings disconnected from FRNs? because the IRS is just an enforcement arm of the Federal Reserve. attempting to use lawful money would disconnect a person from this Federal Reserve System?

It is called "shakedown" when the mafia does it.

FRNs are private property, the owners have the legal right to limit their use.

Read 12 USC 411 very carefully. The ONLY authorized use for FRNS is clearly spelled out. Now look at this: [link to www.fms.treas.gov]

The US notes (nearly 300 million) are accounted for seperately AND those notes are not included in the public debt limit. They are a separate form of money, from a different source (the us treasury) and they are directly backed for gold or silver reserves!

They are public use money, you just have to demand their use on the record (endorsement demand for lawful money per 12 USC 411).

The federal income tax and state income taxes are a USE FEE/penalty fee for the unauthorized use of federal reserve credit debt notes as money.

It is as simple as that.

thank you AC 40017194 this is really great stuff. I will go look up the USC and read it further.

do the actual physical paper dollars look any different from FRNs? Or it is the same unit of currency but a different type? it is very fascinating for sure.

I will have to get a stamp with the demand as well that is a very smart idea. Ideally the system will be fixed at some point and none of this would be necessary. but hey it hasn't happened yet

My understanding with the wording of voluntary it was not referring to voluntary in the sense of the tax itself but that it was referring to behavior of the tax payer. In that you supply your income and then calculate it instead of the govt just sending you a bill.

You've got it. That's exactly what it is.

How about stomping on the heads of anybody working for the irs? Is that legal?

Can someone please show me where it says that demanding lawfull money releases you from any tax obligation?

Or, where does it say that using FRNs causes me to have a tax obligation?

Just how do you file a return to get your with holdings back?

This doesn't make any sense to me.

No, it's not. The fact is you are presumed to be a taxpayer, therefore you must rebut that presumption. He only way to to that is to restrict your endorsements with a reservation of rights.

When it comes to commerce, you must rebut the presumption you are a debtor using federal reserve debt notes and demand lawful money per 12 USC 411.

The nexus for the income tax law is found in title 12 which is the Federal reserve ACT.

Demand lawful money or keep on being a debtor and limiting your own rights as men and women.

Insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results, so have at it.

If you will not do your own research, then you can pay me to do it for you. I will take 40% of your refund for my work. Your refund will be 100% of all state and federal income tax withheld for a year.

You want me to do the work, I will, payment to me made in lawful money redeemed per 12 USC 411, of course. All rights reserved, with prejudice.

Title 12 says nothing about being exempt from taxation. So where did you ever get the idea that demanding 'lawful money' somehow exempts you from taxes?

Cause and effect, there was no "income tax" (on personal labor/wages) before the federal reserve. Again, you can do your own research, as I and others have. You think the federal reserve gives unlimited credit to the US and its citizens and does not expect to get payed back?

ASK YOURSELF: why would the federal reserve want its own "money" payed back to them when they can PRINT IT THEMSELVES?

The FRN is worthless, it is pure DEBT, unless and until you endorse it and pledge all your goods, services and energy to pay it to them, it remains worthless.
The FED gives 100% of their "profits" back the the US treasury?

Why? Because it is DEBT and they do not want it, so they give it back to the treasury so idiot people will endorse it and pledge themselves back to the FED.

The US treasury has been issuing coins and money since the 1700's DEBT free, made of or backed by gold or silver reserves. Does the government pay "taxes" to the Federal reserve or do YOU volunteer to pay it every time you sign a check without a demand for lawful money?

How EXACTLY have you promised to pay the federal reserve private debt? By your signature endorsement without a demand for lawful money, that is how.

I carry a $5 US Note in my pocket sometimes ...

So I can ask what a Federal Reserve Note is ...

The IRS is a compliance (debt collection) agency for the repayment of DEBT. Who is his debt owed to? The Federal Government? NOpe.

China? NOPE

Master card? VISA? Nope?

How is it I can have a 20,000 $ Visa card and that line of "credit" is NOT TAXABLE INCOME?

It's 20,000 $, right?

But, if I get a 20,000 $ CASH advance from a credit card, the bank informs the IRS, why?

Because the CASH is private currency of the federal reserve. I can charge 20,000 to my credit card directly and the IRS is never informed, WHY?

Federal Reserve notes are PRIVATE PROPERTY! To use them is to incure the OBLIGATION not only to pay for them, but to pay their owner for their use!

It is a 5 Dollar BILL. It means you owe it's owner 5 dollars. It also means you owe interest and FEES to its owner. Or, you can demand it be REDEEMED in lawful money per title 12 subsection 411. It's YOUR choice.

BILLS ARE NOT MONEY, BILLS MEAN SOMEONE OWES SOMEBODY MONEY!

If you accept a BILL from a private corporation and call it yours because you "earned it" do you owe the BILLS owner money or does the company which issued the BILL owe you?

It's common sense people. They give you a BILL and you accept it, you OWE them, not the other way around.

Now, do a google search for US treasury NOTES and BONDS.

A NOTE from the US treasury means he bearer holds a Debt owed BY the US treasury. It is also a BILL but it is a bill owed too the holder or bearer that the US treasury is obligated to pay.

Think about that.

You seem to be confusing sequence with causation. The cause of income taxes was the 16th amendment.

I've read title 12. It makes absolutely no mention of exemption from taxation. Income tax or otherwise.

Does your 'research'? If so, present it. Show us something other than you saying that Title 12 exempts anyone from taxation.



The FRN is worth exactly what you agree it is. You can *say* that its worthless paper. But when I hand it to my local sandwich shop, they give me a sandwich. It has tangible value as long as we agree it does.

Gold has some 'intrinsic value'....mostly in industrial applications. But most of its value is a matter of agreement. Gold is worth 1600 an ounce because we agree it does. Gold's 'value' skyrocketed in the 2000s by about 700%.

Gold didn't become 700% more 'intrisically' valuable. It didn't suddenly conduct electricity 700% better or shine 700% brighter in jewelry. Its intrinsic value was the same as it had always been.

Its *perception* of value changed radically. Just like fiat currencies, its value is largely a matter of perception.



I don't think you understand how debt works. As you've got the process exactly backward. If you assume that the FRN is a debt instrument, then the holder of the instrument is the person who gets paid. Not the person who pays.

It would be like buying a municipal bond from a city. I'm the holder of the debt. Which means I'm the person that the money is owned to. At the end of the term of the loan, the city pays me back the principle. I get money.

You seem to be arguing that if I hold the debt instrument, I'm the one that owes the debt. And that makes no sense at all. Holding a FRN doesn't make you obligated to pay a debt. Its the Fed that owes you.

You've got it backwards. The holder of the debt pays nothing. They *get* paid.

And of course, none of this has a thing to do with taxes. Your assertion that taxes no longer have to be paid seem....random and disconnected. Like saying that if you demand lawful money under Title 12 that you no longer have to abide traffic laws. It just doesn't follow.

Title 12 doesn't say a thing about exempting anyone from paying taxes. Nor is the Federal Reserve the 'cause' of income taxes. The passage of the 16th amendment and Congress is.

So...can you show us where in Title 12 it says that demanding law say that you don't have to pay anymore taxes? Quote it for us. Because I wasn't able to find it.

[link to www.indianafreestateinfo.org]

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]
Focus on this part:
(FRNotes) shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

Nope. You've got it backward. As the holder of the debt instrument, you are the one the debt is owed to. Not the one who has to pay it.

See my 'municipal bond' example above for details. And your assumption about the homonym of 'bill' makes no more sense than assuming 5 'bucks' in your back pocket means you have nearly 5 male deer fighting their way out of your jeans.

Its just a homonym. It confers no obligation to the holder. On the contrary, its the holder that gets paid. The holder is obligated to do nothing.

And it says right in your link who owes the debt:


The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues.


The notes are obligations of the United States. Holding them doesn't mean you have the obligation. It means that you're the one the obligation is owed to.

Folks here don't seem to understand how debt works.