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How Ron Paul Was Cheated Out Of Presidency

 
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Just what this nation needs, another Texas Republican in the oval office.
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That's my point, they have other priorities besides liberty...because they are sheep and are easily lead away from freedom.


Where I think someone abdicating their own priorities, beliefs and perspective to align themselves with whatever you believe would be 'sheeple'.

You don't allow for principled and informed people to simply disagree with you. Most libertarians don't.

Which is one of the many reasons that their ideology lacks persuasive power.
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I didn't say he would have won. I said people would have voted for him.

Do you honestly tell me that you don't think the MSM's treatment of him didn't have an impact in any way, shape or form?


People did vote for him. Just not in sufficient numbers to be relevant to the outcome of the election.

And I don't see the MSM changing that. The issue wasn't their coverage. The issue was Paul and his policies.

The people overwhelmingly didn't want them. Or him.

As 3 shots at the presidency demonstrate rather elegantly.
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You have more faith in the system and the majority of the people in it than I do. The MSM dictates opinions and ideologies and most people I know lap them up without much introspection or critical thinking.

I don't believe we'll ever see eye-to-eye on this, but I respect your point-of-view.

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That's my point, they have other priorities besides liberty...because they are sheep and are easily lead away from freedom.


Where I think someone abdicating their own priorities, beliefs and perspective to align themselves with whatever you believe would be 'sheeple'.
You don't allow for principled and informed people to simply disagree with you. Most libertarians don't.

Which is one of the many reasons that their ideology lacks persuasive power.
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My belief is maximum freedom for all. Anyone who doesn't agree with maximum freedom for all people is for a system that always leads to statism....so..1dunno1
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Yes, again...if most people are sheep, you would expect them to NOT vote for the candidate offering the most liberty.

Alternatively, if someone didn't like Paul or his policies, they wouldn't vote for him.

I didn't vote for Paul because of his comic understanding of math. He insisted that we cut 1 trillion from the federal budget in order to balance it. He ALSO argued we eliminate all 900 billion in income tax and replace it with nothing.

1 trillion - 900 billion means that he would actually cut the deficit by 100 billion. And that doesn't balance the budget.

A child could understand this. Paul couldn't. And I won't vote for someone whose policies are *that* disconnected from reality.

Yet for the third time, your argument can't allow for anyone to simply *disagree* with Paul. You've created a false dichotomy where the world is made up of Paul supporters or sheep.

I reject your dichotomy. And your assumptions. As do most of the electorate.
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Regardless, there are reasons he didn't even get media attention. That's the whole point of the video. Why and how his chance got taken away.
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My belief is maximum freedom for all. Anyone who doesn't agree with maximum freedom for all people is for a system that always leads to statism....so..1dunno1


There's more than just one extreme or the other. You're thinking in binary, where there is either 0 or 1...and nothing in between.

Most people acknowledge a middle ground that your argument can't. And most people vote in the middle. And not at the ideological extremes that you do.

Are you starting to see why Paul didn't win?
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Regardless, there are reasons he didn't even get media attention. That's the whole point of the video. Why and how his chance got taken away.
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The video grossly overestimates Paul's 'chances'. Or his viability as a mainstream candidate.
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I didn't say he would have won. I said people would have voted for him.

Do you honestly tell me that you don't think the MSM's treatment of him didn't have an impact in any way, shape or form?


People did vote for him. Just not in sufficient numbers to be relevant to the outcome of the election.

And I don't see the MSM changing that. The issue wasn't their coverage. The issue was Paul and his policies.

The people overwhelmingly didn't want them. Or him.

As 3 shots at the presidency demonstrate rather elegantly.
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No.


He was railroaded. The establishment deliberately and consistently ignored him , stole elections, and had the media attack him at every angle.

Paul would have easily won the nomination if it was not for Big Brother using all its resources to destroy him.

That's a fact.
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My belief is maximum freedom for all. Anyone who doesn't agree with maximum freedom for all people is for a system that always leads to statism....so..1dunno1


There's more than just one extreme or the other. You're thinking in binary, where there is either 0 or 1...and nothing in between.

Most people acknowledge a middle ground that your argument can't. And most people vote in the middle. And not at the ideological extremes that you do.

Are you starting to see why Paul didn't win?
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Did you watch the video yet?
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My belief is maximum freedom for all. Anyone who doesn't agree with maximum freedom for all people is for a system that always leads to statism....so..1dunno1


There's more than just one extreme or the other. You're thinking in binary, where there is either 0 or 1...and nothing in between.

Most people acknowledge a middle ground that your argument can't. And most people vote in the middle. And not at the ideological extremes that you do.

Are you starting to see why Paul didn't win?
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I contend there is no "middle ground" that's the logic that started America on the path we are on...the first piece of socialist legislation was passed on the logic that there is some middle ground...and that we wouldn't slowly slip into full on statism...well since then we have progressed further and further down the road to tyranny..

All on the false logic that there is middle ground. There's either liberty. Or there isn't.

IMO
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Regardless, there are reasons he didn't even get media attention. That's the whole point of the video. Why and how his chance got taken away.
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The video grossly overestimates Paul's 'chances'. Or his viability as a mainstream candidate.
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He wasn't a puppet, so he didn't get media attention. I don't honestly care whether or not he got elected, but I do know that he didn't get a fair shot with the way he was treated.
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The only person that was cheated out of the presidency was Herman Cain.
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You mean the head of a Federal Reserve Bank Herman Cain?

He sounded good and all, I could just never trust anyone from the federal reserve.
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Yea the one who know the problems and spoke about them daily on his radio show.

Why do you think he was attacked from all sides? And the left sure wasn't calling anyone a racist that attack Cain in the media. None of them wanted him out there telling the truth or the plan he had to give American back to the people.
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I have always known for the last 30 years that the globalist new world order bankers/oil barons ruled America's political system; and they also run all of Europe's too. But the most blatant example of this is when the Texas billionaire was running against Bill Clinton. And as I listened to the Texas billionaire talk, I was very impressed with his political speeches, and I knew that he had enough money to defeat Bill Clinton.

But he didn't have the power and the media and the assassin's and hit men that these demons have!! And as they threatened the Texas billionaire by telling him that they would kill him and his whole family if he continued to run for the Presidency, I knew that he would fold, like he did several weeks after their threats. And I also knew that America was doomed; and would never return. And now we have their most cherished puppet in office; Barack Obama who will take America further into their ONE WORLD LUCIFERIC AND SATANIC GOVERNMENT.

BUT DON'T WORRY!! THE GREAT AND THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF HEAVEN WILL DEFEAT THESES SATANIST AND HAVE THEM ALL SCREAMING AND CRYING IN THE WORST PARTS OF HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IMAGINABLE. AS I HAVE BEEN SEEING THEM LAMENT AND AGONIZE OVER AND OVER FOR THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS!!
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No.

He was railroaded. The establishment deliberately and consistently ignored him , stole elections, and had the media attack him at every angle.

Paul would have easily won the nomination if it was not for Big Brother using all its resources to destroy him.

That's a fact.


When you're imagining an alternate history that never happened....you're not dealing in 'facts'. You're dealing in speculation. There's a difference. You're trying to present your subjective assumptions and speculation as objective fact.

Its not.

And almost every candidate is ignored by the 'establishment'. Does that mean that every candidate that was largely ignored was 'robbed'?

Of course not. You can't 'rob' dozens of people of only one office.

Paul lost because he didn't convince people to vote for him instead of someone else.

And many libertarians seem much more comfortable with elaborate conspiracies *against* Paul.....than acknowledging the fact that the people just didn't want to vote for him.

Paul's positions were extreme. End all income tax. Close all foreign military bases. Criminalize abortion. Strip the USSC of the ability to rule on abortion cases. Eliminate the Fed. Abolish the entire IRS. Repeal the 16th amendment. Massive increases in excise taxes and tarriffs. Impose a consumption tax.

Very few of which have much support outside venues like....well, here.

Most voters aren't ideological extreme. They're pretty moderate. Which is why Paul's extreme political views and policy proposals didn't go over well.
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The only person that was cheated out of the presidency was Herman Cain.
 Quoting: Oengus


You mean the head of a Federal Reserve Bank Herman Cain?

He sounded good and all, I could just never trust anyone from the federal reserve.
 Quoting: *Evan


Yea the one who know the problems and spoke about them daily on his radio show.

Why do you think he was attacked from all sides? And the left sure wasn't calling anyone a racist that attack Cain in the media. None of them wanted him out there telling the truth or the plan he had to give American back to the people.
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I agree that's how he came across, but I can never trust anyone who was part of the Federal Reserve...just can't do it.

As for all sides not wanting him, that isn't true..Fox News kissed his ass...he still shows up on there every now and then.

I understand by what he said and how he sounded how some might like him...I just can't trust anyone ever involved with the Fed.
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I have always known for the last 30 years that the globalist new world order bankers/oil barons ruled America's political system; and they also run all of Europe's too. But the most blatant example of this is when the Texas billionaire was running against Bill Clinton. And as I listened to the Texas billionaire talk, I was very impressed with his political speeches, and I knew that he had enough money to defeat Bill Clinton.

But he didn't have the power and the media and the assassin's and hit men that these demons have!! And as they threatened the Texas billionaire by telling him that they would kill him and his whole family if he continued to run for the Presidency, I knew that he would fold, like he did several weeks after their threats. And I also knew that America was doomed; and would never return. And now we have their most cherished puppet in office; Barack Obama who will take America further into their ONE WORLD LUCIFERIC AND SATANIC GOVERNMENT.

BUT DON'T WORRY!! THE GREAT AND THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF HEAVEN WILL DEFEAT THESES SATANIST AND HAVE THEM ALL SCREAMING AND CRYING IN THE WORST PARTS OF HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IMAGINABLE. AS I HAVE BEEN SEEING THEM LAMENT AND AGONIZE OVER AND OVER FOR THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS!!
 Quoting: moses787


THIS is where the attention should be, it's not about who got into office, it's about why and how some people didn't. I don't know why we don't stick to our roots and understand this whole world is in the hands of a few financial elite. Thank you friend.
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He wasn't a puppet, so he didn't get media attention. I don't honestly care whether or not he got elected, but I do know that he didn't get a fair shot with the way he was treated.


Most candidates don't get much media attention. Were they all 'robbed' of the same office as well?

Of course not.

Paul's positions were extreme and didn't have much support among the mainstream public. The public generally isn't very extreme ideologically or politically. But pretty moderate.

Which is probably why most folks didn't want to vote for Paul.
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If you haven't seen this compilation of obvious corruption, whether or not you supported this true speaker, and even if you know already I truly and dearly recommend you watch and share this.
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If anyone could have helped more and more people wake up it would've been Ron Paul. Please don't let him fade away, and for this matter don't let the truth fade away.
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Never forget. It's up to our generation to fix the mistakes of the previous ones. It starts by talking and waking up everyone you know, at whatever cost.
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He wasn't a puppet, so he didn't get media attention. I don't honestly care whether or not he got elected, but I do know that he didn't get a fair shot with the way he was treated.


Most candidates don't get much media attention. Were they all 'robbed' of the same office as well?

Of course not.

Paul's positions were extreme and didn't have much support among the mainstream public. The public generally isn't very extreme ideologically or politically. But pretty moderate.

Which is probably why most folks didn't want to vote for Paul.
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Exactly..the mainstream sheep.

I know you don't like the way that sounds..but it's true..

Most who don't understand history, or that there is no middle ground...will see his views as extreme. The founding fathers would be looked at as extreme these days.
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Exactly..the mainstream sheep.
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And you're right back to your binary thinking. Where anyone who doens't think *exactly* like you do is a sheep.

Its a common perspective among libertarians. Many of them can't conceive of someone simply *disagreeing* with Ron Paul or libertarianism in general.

Nor can your argument handle the idea that someone simply disagreed with Paul and didn't like his extreme policies.

Lets say you believe in liberty....and believe that a woman should have the right to control the use of her own body.

Paul isn't your man. He's argued for stripping women of rights they *already* possess, putting the rights of women to a *vote* in the States, and advocates criminalizing abortion.

Now why would anyone who doesn't want to criminalize abortion vote for Paul?

Explain it to me.

Most who don't understand history, or that there is no middle ground...will see his views as extreme. The founding fathers would be looked at as extreme these days.
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You insist there are only two polar extremes with nothing in between. Yet there's plenty of middle ground. Its where almost everyone lives. Most Americans are moderates.

Once again, its entirely possible for principled, informed people to simply *disagree* with you.

Yet your binary perceptive can't deal with any form disagreement. And that's not very persuasive.
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Ron Paul wears dirty baby garments.
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Exactly..the mainstream sheep.
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And you're right back to your binary thinking. Where anyone who doens't think *exactly* like you do is a sheep.

Its a common perspective among libertarians. Many of them can't conceive of someone simply *disagreeing* with Ron Paul or libertarianism in general.

Nor can your argument handle the idea that someone simply disagreed with Paul and didn't like his extreme policies.

Lets say you believe in liberty....and believe that a woman should have the right to control the use of her own body.

Paul isn't your man. He's argued for stripping women of rights they *already* possess, putting the rights of women to a *vote* in the States, and advocates criminalizing abortion.

Now why would anyone who doesn't want to criminalize abortion vote for Paul?

Explain it to me.

Most who don't understand history, or that there is no middle ground...will see his views as extreme. The founding fathers would be looked at as extreme these days.
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You insist there are only two polar extremes with nothing in between. Yet there's plenty of middle ground. Its where almost everyone lives. Most Americans are moderates.

Once again, its entirely possible for principled, informed people to simply *disagree* with you.

Yet your binary perceptive can't deal with any form disagreement. And that's not very persuasive.
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As I said before, anything that is so called "inbetween" only eventually leads to statism. That has been proven.

You are either for liberty or you are not. Because in the end, that's all there is.
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As I said before, anything that is so called "inbetween" only eventually leads to statism. That has been proven.

You are either for liberty or you are not. Because in the end, that's all there is.

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There's more than just one extreme or the other. You can't conceive of anything beyond your perspective.

Other people can.

And if you believe in 'liberty', Ron Paul clearly isn't your man. As he's advocated stripping women of rights they already posses, stripping the USSC of the authority to ever rule on abortion cases, and criminalizing abortion.

If you believe in liberty and women having the right to choose the use of their own bodies....why would you ever vote for Ron Paul?
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I used to watch main street news all day but I don't watch it at all anymore after what they did to him. Not worth the brain washing.
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How exactly is putting the abortion issue back into the jurisdiction of the individual states trying to outlaw it? Furthermore, I take it you don't believe the unborn child has any rights but there are many who disagree with you.
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As I said before, anything that is so called "inbetween" only eventually leads to statism. That has been proven.

You are either for liberty or you are not. Because in the end, that's all there is.

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There's more than just one extreme or the other. You can't conceive of anything beyond your perspective.

Other people can.

And if you believe in 'liberty', Ron Paul clearly isn't your man. As he's advocated stripping women of rights they already posses, stripping the USSC of the authority to ever rule on abortion cases, and criminalizing abortion.

If you believe in liberty and women having the right to choose the use of their own bodies....why would you ever vote for Ron Paul?
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It's advocating for rights of an unborn child....

You believe choosing to kill a baby is a womens "rights" issue?

lol

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It's advocating for rights of an unborn child....

You believe choosing to kill a baby is a womens "rights" issue?
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I believe that liberty means you can deny the use of your body to anyone.

Now, I can certainly see why some folks would prioritize the fetus over a woman's right to the use of her body. I simply disagree.

But are you starting to see where even in terms of 'liberty' there's room for disagreement?

Or are you still convinced that your perspective is the only valid one possible?
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It's advocating for rights of an unborn child....

You believe choosing to kill a baby is a womens "rights" issue?
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I believe that liberty means you can deny the use of your body to anyone.

Now, I can certainly see why some folks would prioritize the fetus over a woman's right to the use of her body. I simply disagree.

But are you starting to see where even in terms of 'liberty' there's room for disagreement?

Or are you still convinced that your perspective is the only valid one possible?
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lol, only if you have been brainwashed by the eugenics obsessed elite to believe killing babies is a "womens rights" issue..

Once the brainwashing has been done....it's hard to reverse it...you all cling to it..like if you admit it's wrong...then you are a failure or something.

It's obvious to me where you stand, and that you will cling to that which has been implanted into your brain.

When you wake up, and realize absolute freedom is the only way, there is no middle ground, nor compromise to liberty, then you will understand where you are now, and what you have been tricked into believing.

Until then, debating these things with your type is futile. It is something you must come to realize on your own.

Good luck.

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lol, only if you have been brainwashed by the eugenics obsessed elite to believe killing babies is a "womens rights" issue..

Once the brainwashing has been done....it's hard to reverse it...you all cling to it..like if you admit it's wrong...then you are a failure or something.

It's obvious to me where you stand, and that you will cling to that which has been implanted into your brain.

When you wake up, and realize absolute freedom is the only way, there is no middle ground, nor compromise to liberty, then you will understand where you are now, and what you have been tricked into believing.

Until then, debating these things with your type is futile. It is something you must come to realize on your own.

Good luck.

peace
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So you really can't conceive of any reason why I would support a woman's right to control the use of her own body....save eugenics?

If so, why do so many libertarians support a woman's right to choose? Why is it part of the libertarian party planks?

Are libertarians 'brainwashed sheep' too?

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