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I don't think I could have said it better myself. Lt. Vance is not concerned with how we respond to Sandy Hook, with what methods we grasp at, blindly in the absence of any report, to improve security for millions of American children.

[link to www.ledger-enquirer.com]

I'm sorry Mr. Vance, but when you have a school shooting with an almost 100% fatality-to-wounded ratio, you have to be concerned. It's your duty to be concerned. You are in charge of this investigation, and you are responsible for making this investigation's findings swiftly available to schools across the country.

For reasons you have made explicitly clear by the unprecedented sealing of investigation records, this crime was not like other crimes. This crime was so serious that it may or should change how we handle school security. If on the other hand it really wasn't much different from other crimes, then records don't need to be sealed after all.

We take you at your word that Newtown was special. But if you are unconcerned with how the investigation into this unique, horrific crime affects the lives of your fellow Americans, particularly their decisions on school security, then there's really no point in conducting an investigation at all.
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Depends. Should he be concerned if other school districts have the assets to deam up this type of drill/Money laundering sceme?
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I don't think I could have said it better myself. Lt. Vance is not concerned with how we respond to Sandy Hook, with what methods we grasp at, blindly in the absence of any report, to improve security for millions of American children.

[link to www.ledger-enquirer.com]

I'm sorry Mr. Vance, but when you have a school shooting with an almost 100% fatality-to-wounded ratio, you have to be concerned. It's your duty to be concerned. You are in charge of this investigation, and you are responsible for making this investigation's findings swiftly available to schools across the country.

For reasons you have made explicitly clear by the unprecedented sealing of investigation records, this crime was not like other crimes. This crime was so serious that it may or should change how we handle school security. If on the other hand it really wasn't much different from other crimes, then records don't need to be sealed after all.

We take you at your word that Newtown was special. But if you are unconcerned with how the investigation into this unique, horrific crime affects the lives of your fellow Americans, particularly their decisions on school security, then there's really no point in conducting an investigation at all.
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Holy shit dude you ARE totally mentally ill, how many months more are you gonna beat on this issue?

in all seriousness, you need an "intervention" and a possible committal
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Depends. Should he be concerned if other school districts have the assets to deam up this type of drill/Money laundering sceme?
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Wonderfully put OP. BUMP. hf

Indeed. In fact there is no doubt much more to it than just that layer, however, the OP has given the question gravitas, rather than allow Vance to laugh his way out of a question from a conspiracy theorist.

I am pretty sure independent scamming is as frowned upon as the 2 scammers trying to cop for a part of the 26 million donated for victims, they should have been better informed then they would at least have suspected it was doomed to failure. chuckle
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I don't think I could have said it better myself. Lt. Vance is not concerned with how we respond to Sandy Hook, with what methods we grasp at, blindly in the absence of any report, to improve security for millions of American children.

[link to www.ledger-enquirer.com]

I'm sorry Mr. Vance, but when you have a school shooting with an almost 100% fatality-to-wounded ratio, you have to be concerned. It's your duty to be concerned. You are in charge of this investigation, and you are responsible for making this investigation's findings swiftly available to schools across the country.

For reasons you have made explicitly clear by the unprecedented sealing of investigation records, this crime was not like other crimes. This crime was so serious that it may or should change how we handle school security. If on the other hand it really wasn't much different from other crimes, then records don't need to be sealed after all.

We take you at your word that Newtown was special. But if you are unconcerned with how the investigation into this unique, horrific crime affects the lives of your fellow Americans, particularly their decisions on school security, then there's really no point in conducting an investigation at all.
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Holy shit dude you ARE totally mentally ill, how many months more are you gonna beat on this issue?

in all seriousness, you need an "intervention" and a possible committal
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I need committal for expecting the same accountability owed to the public that was given in every other mass shooting in recent American history? Statistically, the only abnormal behavior would be to NOT expect a report.

Whatever, man, I've got kids in school. Frequent flyers will be very interested in airline crash reports, and parents (at least all the parents I know) are interested in (and still waiting for) a Sandy Hook report.
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Depends. Should he be concerned if other school districts have the assets to deam up this type of drill/Money laundering sceme?
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Wonderfully put OP. BUMP. hf

Indeed. In fact there is no doubt much more to it than just that layer, however, the OP has given the question gravitas, rather than allow Vance to laugh his way out of a question from a conspiracy theorist.

I am pretty sure independent scamming is as frowned upon as the 2 scammers trying to cop for a part of the 26 million donated for victims, they should have been better informed then they would at least have suspected it was doomed to failure. chuckle
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Of course I said my reply in jest. OP makes a fantastic point in that LT Vance's comments make me think that his patience is wearing thin trying to cover for this. Can you imagine the stress everybody there is under knowing that there are so many inconsistencies and yet they have to try to keep a story running without giving one shred of proof in being so careful as to not open a can of worms.

LT Vances words tell me this stress is getting to him
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BTW, you'll probably want to start exercising your "do not click"' muscle if you aren't interested in this topic, because this is going to take years, not months.
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Lieberman Dude, warum sprichst du mit mir niemals auf Deutsch? :)
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Oops..HA...Ich hatte gern "Lieberman Dude" geschreibt Baer das iPad hat "Lieberman" geschreibt text lmao!
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Mein Gott, es hat es wieder getan, lieber Dude. Entschuldigung.
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I don't think I could have said it better myself. Lt. Vance is not concerned with how we respond to Sandy Hook, with what methods we grasp at, blindly in the absence of any report, to improve security for millions of American children.

[link to www.ledger-enquirer.com]

I'm sorry Mr. Vance, but when you have a school shooting with an almost 100% fatality-to-wounded ratio, you have to be concerned. It's your duty to be concerned. You are in charge of this investigation, and you are responsible for making this investigation's findings swiftly available to schools across the country.

For reasons you have made explicitly clear by the unprecedented sealing of investigation records, this crime was not like other crimes. This crime was so serious that it may or should change how we handle school security. If on the other hand it really wasn't much different from other crimes, then records don't need to be sealed after all.

We take you at your word that Newtown was special. But if you are unconcerned with how the investigation into this unique, horrific crime affects the lives of your fellow Americans, particularly their decisions on school security, then there's really no point in conducting an investigation at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43591350



Holy shit dude you ARE totally mentally ill, how many months more are you gonna beat on this issue?

in all seriousness, you need an "intervention" and a possible committal
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I need committal for expecting the same accountability owed to the public that was given in every other mass shooting in recent American history? Statistically, the only abnormal behavior would be to NOT expect a report.

Whatever, man, I've got kids in school. Frequent flyers will be very interested in airline crash reports, and parents (at least all the parents I know) are interested in (and still waiting for) a Sandy Hook report.
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well if you think a "report" on SH is gonna magically improve school security, you really are deluded
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Depends. Should he be concerned if other school districts have the assets to deam up this type of drill/Money laundering sceme?
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Wonderfully put OP. BUMP. hf

Indeed. In fact there is no doubt much more to it than just that layer, however, the OP has given the question gravitas, rather than allow Vance to laugh his way out of a question from a conspiracy theorist.

I am pretty sure independent scamming is as frowned upon as the 2 scammers trying to cop for a part of the 26 million donated for victims, they should have been better informed then they would at least have suspected it was doomed to failure. chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43685599


Of course I said my reply in jest. OP makes a fantastic point in that LT Vance's comments make me think that his patience is wearing thin trying to cover for this. Can you imagine the stress everybody there is under knowing that there are so many inconsistencies and yet they have to try to keep a story running without giving one shred of proof in being so careful as to not open a can of worms.

LT Vances words tell me this stress is getting to him
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32909022


Well, it's true - the Fellowship of the Ring is broken. I think it's very sad all around, for everyone. Whatever happened is sad, whatever is being covered up is sad, and police turning on each other is sad. I think the State police would have been far better off not saying a word about any "delay" on Newtown's end (a concept which is beyond ridiculous if you listen to the audio).

Btw, when I go off on tangents about being a parent and wanting a report, I mean that absolutely regardless of what the truth is. If there was a mass shooting, I want the damn report. If there was a shooting that was mishandled, I want the damn report. If there was no shooting, I want the damn report.

People can only lie for so long until they make more and more mistakes and the truth eventually comes out. Whether my kids are in danger of the next Sandy Hook hoax, or whether they're in danger from a state government that can hide a real killer's name, or whether they're in danger from an Adam-like character whose shooting was responded to with mistakes, I need to know what that danger really is.
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Depends. Should he be concerned if other school districts have the assets to deam up this type of drill/Money laundering sceme?
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Wonderfully put OP. BUMP. hf

Indeed. In fact there is no doubt much more to it than just that layer, however, the OP has given the question gravitas, rather than allow Vance to laugh his way out of a question from a conspiracy theorist.

I am pretty sure independent scamming is as frowned upon as the 2 scammers trying to cop for a part of the 26 million donated for victims, they should have been better informed then they would at least have suspected it was doomed to failure. chuckle
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Of course I said my reply in jest. OP makes a fantastic point in that LT Vance's comments make me think that his patience is wearing thin trying to cover for this. Can you imagine the stress everybody there is under knowing that there are so many inconsistencies and yet they have to try to keep a story running without giving one shred of proof in being so careful as to not open a can of worms.

LT Vances words tell me this stress is getting to him
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32909022


Well, it's true - the Fellowship of the Ring is broken. I think it's very sad all around, for everyone. Whatever happened is sad, whatever is being covered up is sad, and police turning on each other is sad. I think the State police would have been far better off not saying a word about any "delay" on Newtown's end (a concept which is beyond ridiculous if you listen to the audio).

Btw, when I go off on tangents about being a parent and wanting a report, I mean that absolutely regardless of what the truth is. If there was a mass shooting, I want the damn report. If there was a shooting that was mishandled, I want the damn report. If there was no shooting, I want the damn report.

People can only lie for so long until they make more and more mistakes and the truth eventually comes out. Whether my kids are in danger of the next Sandy Hook hoax, or whether they're in danger from a state government that can hide a real killer's name, or whether they're in danger from an Adam-like character whose shooting was responded to with mistakes, I need to know what that danger really is.
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Want in one hand and shit in the other, see which gets full first

BTW inside a school building is one of the safest places you child could be.
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Of course who writes the report and what they put in it is another question.
Liars do them all the time.
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Wonderfully put OP. BUMP. hf

Indeed. In fact there is no doubt much more to it than just that layer, however, the OP has given the question gravitas, rather than allow Vance to laugh his way out of a question from a conspiracy theorist.

I am pretty sure independent scamming is as frowned upon as the 2 scammers trying to cop for a part of the 26 million donated for victims, they should have been better informed then they would at least have suspected it was doomed to failure. chuckle
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Of course I said my reply in jest. OP makes a fantastic point in that LT Vance's comments make me think that his patience is wearing thin trying to cover for this. Can you imagine the stress everybody there is under knowing that there are so many inconsistencies and yet they have to try to keep a story running without giving one shred of proof in being so careful as to not open a can of worms.

LT Vances words tell me this stress is getting to him
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32909022


Well, it's true - the Fellowship of the Ring is broken. I think it's very sad all around, for everyone. Whatever happened is sad, whatever is being covered up is sad, and police turning on each other is sad. I think the State police would have been far better off not saying a word about any "delay" on Newtown's end (a concept which is beyond ridiculous if you listen to the audio).

Btw, when I go off on tangents about being a parent and wanting a report, I mean that absolutely regardless of what the truth is. If there was a mass shooting, I want the damn report. If there was a shooting that was mishandled, I want the damn report. If there was no shooting, I want the damn report.

People can only lie for so long until they make more and more mistakes and the truth eventually comes out. Whether my kids are in danger of the next Sandy Hook hoax, or whether they're in danger from a state government that can hide a real killer's name, or whether they're in danger from an Adam-like character whose shooting was responded to with mistakes, I need to know what that danger really is.
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Want in one hand and shit in the other, see which gets full first

BTW inside a school building is one of the safest places you child could be.
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So let's look at this particular school and see who (according to the official reports) stayed safe:

1. Those who violated lockdown protocol (children who ran instead of huddled)

2. Those who locked their door the fastest (one teacher didn't have a key; all had to step out into the hall or reach around to lock door with a key from the outside--how insane is that?)

3. Those who left the building

The above differences determined in some cases who lived, and who died. That's just knowledge gleaned from a few flawed media reports. What if we had the REAL story? I for one think that, for example, lockdown procedures would be changed pronto. But we don't know--and we won't know in time for the 2013 school year. And that is pathetic.
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Of course I said my reply in jest. OP makes a fantastic point in that LT Vance's comments make me think that his patience is wearing thin trying to cover for this. Can you imagine the stress everybody there is under knowing that there are so many inconsistencies and yet they have to try to keep a story running without giving one shred of proof in being so careful as to not open a can of worms.

LT Vances words tell me this stress is getting to him
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32909022


Well, it's true - the Fellowship of the Ring is broken. I think it's very sad all around, for everyone. Whatever happened is sad, whatever is being covered up is sad, and police turning on each other is sad. I think the State police would have been far better off not saying a word about any "delay" on Newtown's end (a concept which is beyond ridiculous if you listen to the audio).

Btw, when I go off on tangents about being a parent and wanting a report, I mean that absolutely regardless of what the truth is. If there was a mass shooting, I want the damn report. If there was a shooting that was mishandled, I want the damn report. If there was no shooting, I want the damn report.

People can only lie for so long until they make more and more mistakes and the truth eventually comes out. Whether my kids are in danger of the next Sandy Hook hoax, or whether they're in danger from a state government that can hide a real killer's name, or whether they're in danger from an Adam-like character whose shooting was responded to with mistakes, I need to know what that danger really is.
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Want in one hand and shit in the other, see which gets full first

BTW inside a school building is one of the safest places you child could be.
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So let's look at this particular school and see who (according to the official reports) stayed safe:

1. Those who violated lockdown protocol (children who ran instead of huddled)

2. Those who locked their door the fastest (one teacher didn't have a key; all had to step out into the hall or reach around to lock door with a key from the outside--how insane is that?)

3. Those who left the building

The above differences determined in some cases who lived, and who died. That's just knowledge gleaned from a few flawed media reports. What if we had the REAL story? I for one think that, for example, lockdown procedures would be changed pronto. But we don't know--and we won't know in time for the 2013 school year. And that is pathetic.
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Unless you have a ulterior motive(which I believe you do) you should concentrate on your own local school district and make changes there, you will get ALOT further.
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I don't think you should listen to a single word any of those vermin from Sandy Hook says?

FROM THE TALMUD

Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the NON-JEW."

Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the NON-JEW, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile)."

Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which,
consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."
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Is this Lt. Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration?

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Well, it's true - the Fellowship of the Ring is broken. I think it's very sad all around, for everyone. Whatever happened is sad, whatever is being covered up is sad, and police turning on each other is sad. I think the State police would have been far better off not saying a word about any "delay" on Newtown's end (a concept which is beyond ridiculous if you listen to the audio).

Btw, when I go off on tangents about being a parent and wanting a report, I mean that absolutely regardless of what the truth is. If there was a mass shooting, I want the damn report. If there was a shooting that was mishandled, I want the damn report. If there was no shooting, I want the damn report.

People can only lie for so long until they make more and more mistakes and the truth eventually comes out. Whether my kids are in danger of the next Sandy Hook hoax, or whether they're in danger from a state government that can hide a real killer's name, or whether they're in danger from an Adam-like character whose shooting was responded to with mistakes, I need to know what that danger really is.
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Want in one hand and shit in the other, see which gets full first

BTW inside a school building is one of the safest places you child could be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43649526


So let's look at this particular school and see who (according to the official reports) stayed safe:

1. Those who violated lockdown protocol (children who ran instead of huddled)

2. Those who locked their door the fastest (one teacher didn't have a key; all had to step out into the hall or reach around to lock door with a key from the outside--how insane is that?)

3. Those who left the building

The above differences determined in some cases who lived, and who died. That's just knowledge gleaned from a few flawed media reports. What if we had the REAL story? I for one think that, for example, lockdown procedures would be changed pronto. But we don't know--and we won't know in time for the 2013 school year. And that is pathetic.
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Unless you have a ulterior motive(which I believe you do) you should concentrate on your own local school district and make changes there, you will get ALOT further.
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I have no ulterior motive.

Saying I should concentrate on changes in my own school district is like telling an airline company, after a horrible and unexplained crash of another airline's 747, to just "make some changes."

That's what Vance is saying..."I know everyone will think and then make good changes."

Changes from what?? Changes to what??

Utterly illogical. 747 crashes result in thorough investigations and hopefully clear identification if why so many lives were lost in that specific crash. The Sandy Hook investigation must be thorough and offer clear identification of the reasons so many lives were lost. OR it must fess up that the official story is bunk.
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Well, it's true - the Fellowship of the Ring is broken. I think it's very sad all around, for everyone. Whatever happened is sad, whatever is being covered up is sad, and police turning on each other is sad. I think the State police would have been far better off not saying a word about any "delay" on Newtown's end (a concept which is beyond ridiculous if you listen to the audio).

Btw, when I go off on tangents about being a parent and wanting a report, I mean that absolutely regardless of what the truth is. If there was a mass shooting, I want the damn report. If there was a shooting that was mishandled, I want the damn report. If there was no shooting, I want the damn report.

People can only lie for so long until they make more and more mistakes and the truth eventually comes out. Whether my kids are in danger of the next Sandy Hook hoax, or whether they're in danger from a state government that can hide a real killer's name, or whether they're in danger from an Adam-like character whose shooting was responded to with mistakes, I need to know what that danger really is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43682778


Want in one hand and shit in the other, see which gets full first

BTW inside a school building is one of the safest places you child could be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43649526


So let's look at this particular school and see who (according to the official reports) stayed safe:

1. Those who violated lockdown protocol (children who ran instead of huddled)

2. Those who locked their door the fastest (one teacher didn't have a key; all had to step out into the hall or reach around to lock door with a key from the outside--how insane is that?)

3. Those who left the building

The above differences determined in some cases who lived, and who died. That's just knowledge gleaned from a few flawed media reports. What if we had the REAL story? I for one think that, for example, lockdown procedures would be changed pronto. But we don't know--and we won't know in time for the 2013 school year. And that is pathetic.
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Unless you have a ulterior motive(which I believe you do) you should concentrate on your own local school district and make changes there, you will get ALOT further.
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Just out of curiosity, what to you believe my ulterior motive is?

The flak I generally get is for speaking in terms which seem to credit the official story as being at least partially true. But in truth, I don't have any idea what the truth is. I speak a lot about the official story in the sense that it keeps providing contradictions of itself. I don't do that because I believe the official story, but because I DON'T believe the official story, and am challenging the Vance's of the world to defend their official story, given its own obvious and growing contradictions.
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