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At Assumption Parish public briefing held on July 16, 2013 Gary Hecox, CB&I hydrogeologist stressed that they have talked to some of the leading experts in the world as too what could be causing the problem. Here is his short statement from the briefing:

"Nobody’s ever encountered anything like this in the history of mankind. I’m not kidding, what’s going on with that cavern where it’s going up several hundred feet and down several hundred feet, we don’t know if it’s some equipment issues or if there’s something going on in the cavern that we don’t understand. The pressure in the cavern continues to slowly increase. It’s up now to almost 600psi in the wellhead, that’s brine pressure not gas. I don’t even have a good hypothesis to tell you. The world experts have looked at this and we don’t know."
[link to thewatchers.adorraeli.com]

Well, that doesn't help.
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But just maybe they do know its name and what started this sink hole like many other sink holes that are going open through greed for money Fraking opens up cracks where water and oil can flow along,they been told to shut it.
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It's a tunnel to the gulf.
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Here is my professional take on it. I say professional because I am a cave diver that lives in North Florida and have over 2500 cave dives under my belt. I am familiar with both inland caves/sinks as well as sea caves and sinks (yes, there are sinkholes in the gulf too -- just usually deep).
To see some drawings and maps of these caves sinks (Green Banana Sink for example is in the gulf) visit this website. You might find it interesting:

[link to floridacaves.com]

Anyhow, my take on seeing this movement would be to think "tidal" forces BUT there are a few difficult issues to consider with at least what I can SEE in the video.

1) The forces are cyclical for sure (makes one think of tide) BUT it is localized to a small area. You can see the floating containment barriers mostly moves in the FRONT of the video frame but there is no movement in the distance. It is mostly contained to the immediate area far left and to the right.

2) When you encounter caves that are tidally affected by tides and gulf conditions there is never "flow surge" caused by the link to the gulf... EVER. Yes, it will change the water conditions (is the cave clear or blown out during particular hours) but the changes are more of the QUALITY of the water not the MOVEMENT of the water.... the ONLY exception to this is the caves that are actually IN the gulf or immediately off shore (such as in a bay just off the gulf) such as Crystal Beach Spring... but even there it is minimal unless being in full open ocean.

3) If there was a "passage" linking the gulf to this sink it would be at depth. To cause this type of water movement at the SURFACE would mean that it would have to surge from the entry point all the way to the surface. This would be near impossible due to the volume of water movement. Think of it this way:

Take a large styrofoam cup and make a hole toward the bottom for a straw. Plug the straw at the bottom with your mouth and fill up the cup. Then start sucking out water and blowing back in..... you will see a vortex effect at the BOTTOM (add food coloring to help see) but the water at the top will not move (unless you go loopy and start blowing bubbles).

Therefore I find surface movement like this to be caused by a PASSAGE between the gulf and this sink some, what, 35 miles away unlikely.

4) A test of the salinity of the water at that spot would be interesting.

5) History of the sink would be helpful. Is this water movement historical or a NEW effect. If this is new I would not want to be anywhere near this location as I am thinking instability.

6) Something else to consider is water relocation. The video was short so we can not see any level drops but if this thing is getting deeper the water is going somewhere.

Visualize this: You have a big cup (such as in the previous example) but instead place the straw in the bottom (like a drain plug). Now let LIMITED bursts of water out of the straw at like 2 second bursts. As you let the water out the water will shift.... one direction... then do another burst of water and the water will SHIFT the other direction... if you do this on a timed pattern you will get the surface to shift back and forth...

The is an effect I have seen before in the water at unique locations that cause momentary changes in water flow and "release" enough to let the next "wave" of flow come... you can sit there in the water column like superman and just shift left-right-left-right (or forward-back depending on how you are facing)... kinda cool.


Summary:

One thing I can say is this fact. I have NEVER in my thousands of cave dives at 60+ different sites EVER seen something like this in an inland sinkhole (including Mexican Cenotes).... ever. It is really weird and would be kind of neat to dive IF there is any visibility at all. I would be hesitant to dive it myself as personally I lean towards total instability of substructure as the cause and water relocation. You sure wouldn't want to be in there when it REALLY gives out. You might find yourself rapidly relocated somewhere you don't want to be (such as 500 feet down on a breathing gas you don't want to be on. Hell, even with my experience the deepest cave dive I did was 338 feet and I was using Trimix which has Helium in the mix to help lower the Nitrogen so you don't get totally blow out of your mind) -- being sucked down to 500 feet = bye bye.

Anyway, just my take on the visual observations of the video. Hope this offers some thinking points for others.
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Do you all remember the BP gulf oil incident? This sink hole in LA is a planned result of that.

Also the future map of the area is a result of the planned BP oil rig explosion.

That oil rig blowing up in the Gulf of Mexico was a planned event in case you missed it.
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Yes, there are multiple threads here about that.

BP nuked a fault line.

The consequences of that are playing out, slowly . . . and no one knows for sure what it will lead to.

Ultimate goal may be division of USA, via New Madrid waterway.

TPTB would benefit greatly from a north/south waterway.
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Its called greed,called Fraking.

[link to indianapublicmedia.org]
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[link to www.fishingbuddy.com]
[link to www.topix.com]
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This is proof what Fraking can do.
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Lakes and smaller bodies of water do not normally have "tidal waves" which are typical only for oceans and seas
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wtf

norespect

So lake Erie or Michigan or Superior or etc, do not exhibit tides?

lulz
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Its somehow connecting deep underneath with a sea.
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as the crow flys it is about 70/80 miles or less to the Gulf of Mexico. on land.
Underneath, I think the Gulf of Mexico is right there - don't know how many feet down.

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:Sidewayz:

Wow...

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They need to light that shit off and let her burn.
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It's a tunnel to the gulf.
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Here is my professional take on it. I say professional because I am a cave diver that lives in North Florida and have over 2500 cave dives under my belt. I am familiar with both inland caves/sinks as well as sea caves and sinks (yes, there are sinkholes in the gulf too -- just usually deep).
To see some drawings and maps of these caves sinks (Green Banana Sink for example is in the gulf) visit this website. You might find it interesting:

[link to floridacaves.com]

Anyhow, my take on seeing this movement would be to think "tidal" forces BUT there are a few difficult issues to consider with at least what I can SEE in the video.

1) The forces are cyclical for sure (makes one think of tide) BUT it is localized to a small area. You can see the floating containment barriers mostly moves in the FRONT of the video frame but there is no movement in the distance. It is mostly contained to the immediate area far left and to the right.

2) When you encounter caves that are tidally affected by tides and gulf conditions there is never "flow surge" caused by the link to the gulf... EVER. Yes, it will change the water conditions (is the cave clear or blown out during particular hours) but the changes are more of the QUALITY of the water not the MOVEMENT of the water.... the ONLY exception to this is the caves that are actually IN the gulf or immediately off shore (such as in a bay just off the gulf) such as Crystal Beach Spring... but even there it is minimal unless being in full open ocean.

3) If there was a "passage" linking the gulf to this sink it would be at depth. To cause this type of water movement at the SURFACE would mean that it would have to surge from the entry point all the way to the surface. This would be near impossible due to the volume of water movement. Think of it this way:

Take a large styrofoam cup and make a hole toward the bottom for a straw. Plug the straw at the bottom with your mouth and fill up the cup. Then start sucking out water and blowing back in..... you will see a vortex effect at the BOTTOM (add food coloring to help see) but the water at the top will not move (unless you go loopy and start blowing bubbles).

Therefore I find surface movement like this to be caused by a PASSAGE between the gulf and this sink some, what, 35 miles away unlikely.

4) A test of the salinity of the water at that spot would be interesting.

5) History of the sink would be helpful. Is this water movement historical or a NEW effect. If this is new I would not want to be anywhere near this location as I am thinking instability.

6) Something else to consider is water relocation. The video was short so we can not see any level drops but if this thing is getting deeper the water is going somewhere.

Visualize this: You have a big cup (such as in the previous example) but instead place the straw in the bottom (like a drain plug). Now let LIMITED bursts of water out of the straw at like 2 second bursts. As you let the water out the water will shift.... one direction... then do another burst of water and the water will SHIFT the other direction... if you do this on a timed pattern you will get the surface to shift back and forth...

The is an effect I have seen before in the water at unique locations that cause momentary changes in water flow and "release" enough to let the next "wave" of flow come... you can sit there in the water column like superman and just shift left-right-left-right (or forward-back depending on how you are facing)... kinda cool.


Summary:

One thing I can say is this fact. I have NEVER in my thousands of cave dives at 60+ different sites EVER seen something like this in an inland sinkhole (including Mexican Cenotes).... ever. It is really weird and would be kind of neat to dive IF there is any visibility at all. I would be hesitant to dive it myself as personally I lean towards total instability of substructure as the cause and water relocation. You sure wouldn't want to be in there when it REALLY gives out. You might find yourself rapidly relocated somewhere you don't want to be (such as 500 feet down on a breathing gas you don't want to be on. Hell, even with my experience the deepest cave dive I did was 338 feet and I was using Trimix which has Helium in the mix to help lower the Nitrogen so you don't get totally blow out of your mind) -- being sucked down to 500 feet = bye bye.

Anyway, just my take on the visual observations of the video. Hope this offers some thinking points for others.
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Great input on this disasterous situation AC.

This is a point of view very few if any could share.

Many contend "end time" events in the Bible do NOT mention the United States. Very possible this situation could be our "expected end".

Thank you for sharing .. hf
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Suppose this will EVER get any attention and concern!? For God's sake, this is serious!
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They need to light that shit off and let her burn.
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Sure, and get another one of these, or worse, a big BOOM
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[link to www.google.com]

Let the link click to second position.
Saltdome diagrams.
Please look at the one - Onshore to Shelf to Deep Water.
Look at the base salt layer. Purple color.
They all connect at the bottom and the bottom leads to the Gulf.

If you scroll thru you'll see lots of diagrams/photos. Some helpful, others - not.
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I find it interesting the Boom in the distance does not appear to move.
I think tidal is not the cause.

But the noticed increase in pressure they mention could be.

Maybe some type of recovery/testing at a nearby storage pit is causing this event.
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Re: Tidal waves at Louisiana sinkhole, now more than 500 feet deep
maybe even a reaction to the gas flaring around the sink hole.
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It's a tunnel to the gulf.
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yup ...

read my long post below ...
quoting BadHairDay ;)
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They need to light that shit off and let her burn.
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Sure, and get another one of these, or worse, a big BOOM
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Precisely!
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That is an amazingly creepy video- something feels really wrong there.
 Quoting: ladulce


You can see the gas bubbles right in the video at the shore!
 Quoting: GT500


So its gas thats causing the movement?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43690421


NOPE its not the GAS !!!

Its becoz the saltdome is DIRECTLY LINKED TO THE GOM !




No , supposedly that is tidal movement from the Gulf of Mexico!
 Quoting: GT500


Thanks for the reply.
Tidal movement from the Gulf sounds a little out there and I dont see how that could happen but strange things are happening all over so I guess thats possible.
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This below is a snip from a longer text from BadHairDay [BHD] on our "Something went BEZERK in the Gulf Of Mexico"-thread.
We have been researching this for years and the last year BHD proved that he was RIGHT about ASSUMPTION and the SALTDOMES and underneath cavesystems!

Snip from BHD's post :
Acolyte has provided a great deal of leads from the info he was tasked to release.

DONT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.... is so much more than our initial thoughts on the subject.

We have correctly linked Macondo and Napoleonville dome, and in some respects, beyond that too.


We did that. It is correct. That is a huge thing.

But we got the context wrong.

The 'disaster' and on going geological damage - we have assumed is all about an out of control collapse of salt domes and systems, melting of methyl hydrate layers, and salt water ingress, which ultimately will create the physical splitting of the USA, and a new water way from Canada through to the GoM.

That may well be so, eventually, and has more to do with short term solutions, like changing climate, and sea currents.

Do you remember the wonderful stories about the leaf that turned up in Queensland Australia through an aquifer? It came all the way from Papua New Guinea. All that way, THROUGH A TUNNEL.

It was a hint. A hint about the real story unfolding as a result of BP's DWH operation, which was a total success.

America's current oil boom is not from new sources found within the US.

It is not from new techniques used to extract more oil.

It is not from deeper oil drilling.

It is being stolen, and redirected from elsewhere.

Not in boats, not in pipelines - as we know it.

It is being re-directed in man made tunnels and cave systems left from flushing out salt domes and salt formations.

It is being helped by synthetic microbial life forms which are partially responsible for - creating more methanics.

The answer to why so many fracking stations and shale gas fields have been set up is to deal with the massive amounts of gas being generated by microbial life forms opening up oil flows beneath the continental USA.


It is being contained, and drained off, and is a boom in itself.

It is part of the plan.

The salt layers are being dissolved, and used as massive oil pipelines and reserves, re-directing oil from sites beyond the US, to the US mainland.

The current California boom is a direct result of this.

The current loss of water from aquifers in Texas right through to Cali' is a direct result of underground water usage from fracking and for creating tunnel systems to redirect the oil.

The reverse flow of the Mississippi during Isaak, was a direct result of a screw up to redirect water flow underground in to the aquifers to try to top them up. Once equalised, the river flowed correctly again.

Make your own mind up as to whether they created hurricane Isaak as a cover, or used it as a cover.

We've see all this unfold.

It was always a plan.

We were only ever shown one chapter in a much larger book.

Is what we were shown spin? Miss direction?

I don't think so. I think it's all part of an even bigger plan.

All that oil beneath the USA? A part from energy resources, there must be other reasons to stock pile it en-masse.
 Quoting: BHD





New 'pressure leak' lays along same line of site between Macondo and Napoleonville dome....

- same line as last rig explosion/fire, same line as barge explosion, same line....

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About water :

TAHITI PLATFORM, Gulf of Mexico – Deep-water drillers are pushing the boundaries of modern technology to help revive the Gulf of Mexico as one of the world’s most prolific oil producers.

[...snipped text... to shorten post, but make sure you read the link!..]

[link to fuelfix.com]


Okaaay.... so we always surmised that water ingress in to domes and tar volcanoes was a potential sources of erosion and strata destabilisation. Now we can see that ALL THE DEEP WATER PLAYERS are injecting water, salt water, which allows hard salt to corrode much faster than fresh water.

Their permits, to allow them to do this, supposedly have them mapping where the water will go? Yet they state it is hard to 'see' what is beneath these 10000 feet deep salt layers....

The collapse of these deep fields, with all the deep water pressure from above, creates a sawing action (thanks Tau Ceti) that will eventually take out the foundations and lead to collapse.

Wont it? At least an adjustment. But how huge are these salt areas? Hundreds of miles huge, if not thousands of miles, both inland and under sea.

Follow this up with all the water injection going on inland, through fracking, and it's no wonder all the rivers are no longer flowing to the sea, the aquifers are dry, and the ecology is collapsing.
 Quoting: BadHairDay




Speaking of water (lol) -

Over the last century, the US has depleted enough of its underground freshwater supply to fill Lake Erie twice, according to a new study from the US Geological Survey. Here's another way to understand how much water we've used. Just between 2000 and 2008, the latest period in the study and the period of fastest depletion, Americans brought enough water aboveground to contribute to 2 per cent of worldwide ocean level rise in that time.

The problem also varies in severity in different parts of the country. In the most depleted aquifers, including those underneath the southern High Plains and Texas, "more than 50 percent of the thickness of the aquifers has been dried up," Konikow says. In Alabama and Mississippi, rice farmers have taken out large volumes of water, but there also seems to be a lot of water left. Meanwhile, two aquifers in Washington, Oregon and Idaho actually held more water in 2008 than they did in 1900. Those were the only U.S. aquifers to gain water over the study period.

[link to www.popsci.com.au]



Interesting to note that the map shown in the article above pretty much ties in to Cayce and Scallion's future maps of the US, complete with inland seas.

I still think this is part of the plan, or at least one component and direction of the geo engineering plan that was sparked off by bezerk.

What they're not saying enough of, in relation to this water usage is that agriculture isnt the main culprit.

OIL & GAS, especially fracked gas is the culprit, especially in Texas. If you've done any research on fracking, you will know just how much water is used.

I'm betting those figures are dead wrong btw, and only the tip of the iceberg.

So again, we see water, being wasted/polluted in order to bring oil and gas into the world.

Its pretty obvious when viewed like they eh...
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Pattent for making tunnels ...


Some of the info' I'm playing with on tunnels.

US Patent (No. 3,693,731) 1972 states:

“…debris may be disposed of as melted rock both as a lining for the hole and as a dispersal
in cracks produced in the surrounding rock.

The rock-melting drill is of a shape and is propelled under sufficient pressure to produce
and extend cracks in solid rock radially around the bore by means of hydrostatic pressure
developed in the molten rock ahead of the advancing rock drill penetrator.
All melt not used in glass-lining the bore is forced into the cracks where it freezes and remains …”

Three years later, there was another patent for– a tunneling machine for producing
large tunnels in soft rock or wet, clayey, unconsolidated or bouldery earth
by simultaneously
detaching the tunnel core by thermal melting a boundary kerf into the tunnel face
and forming a supporting excavation wall liner by deflecting the molten materials
against the excavation walls to provide, when solidified, a continuous wall supporting liner,
and detaching the tunnel face circumscribed by the kerf with powered mechanical
earth detachment means and in which the heat requiredfor melting the kerf and liner
material is provided by a compact nuclear reactor.

[link to spam]
 Quoting: BadHairDay




Lake Peigneur

Several quotes from a different site. Cant mention it here ;)


If you're going to describe with examples, Lake Peigneur has been talked about many, many times on this thread.

They didn't "dig a big hole, which filled with water". They had a fully operational salt mine that had been in operation for decades, with miles of caverns, that was breeched by an idiotic oil company who drilled through the small "freshwater" lake at an angle and in to the hollow of the mine, allowing water from above to enter the mine.

A tributary leading to the Gulf of Mexico from the small freshwater lakereversed direction at high tide, sucking water from the GoM back into the growing sinkhole.

When the situation eventually stabilised, the mine was lost, the bulk of the salt formations (domes, pillows and veins) had become saturated or weakened to a point where the caverns collapsed creating a brine slurrey, and turning the part of the system we are able to see in to a salt water lake, including many salt water fish species.

At the height of the DWH disaster, many insiders seeded the Lake Peigneur example as what was to come from the disaster, and what has been covered up until Assumption Parish started to bubble away.

190 miles is nothing. Evidence that the Biloxi dome had been ruptured was so strong 2 years ago, and given the entire region is dotted with domes of massive proportions, it is not a big jump to see what might be going on down there.

It is idiotic to suggest that these domes are so strong and localised that they have no relation to the next dome, or the salt pillow formation (the mushroom parts that connect forming domes) or the salt veins that connect domes.

How do you think they were formed in the first place? What individual tiny seas in tiny little pockets?

It's great to quote wikipedia, but how about looking at a bigger picture, or linking some dots? You cant because you tow the company line, the MSM line, or just have no clue other than what you are fed, or told to type.

If this is just one happy BBQ, then why the heck are all the officials scared shitless? Why no solid information? Why not absolute transparancy in reporting?

I will be the first in line to eat humble pie, and apologise to you if wrong, but I dont think I am. I'm no doomer, but 2 years chasing DWH and beyond has given me a particular perspective and understanding on these issues.

Maybe this cross sectiuonal view of the salt formations might give you some clues as to why 190miles is nothing, should a cascade failure be in progress. Water is, after all, the most powerful force on this planet. The grand canyon is testament to that.

28,000 wells, 6,500 monitored, and DWH, the deepest drilled hole in the US, and amongst the top 10 in the world might have done something to the stability of the strata down there? It took the Russians over two years to contain their deep blow out, and it was on land. The pressures generated at Macondo were even greater than those in the Russian episode. The Russian's however, did not have miles of ocean and millions of tonnes of corexit to hide their mistakes.


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Texas Brine had the lease to remove and use any saline/brine. They're not the owner. As far as I can find out, the owner is a petro chemical company, and they were preping the cavern for more oil or hydrocarbon products. As they ususally do when creating an artifical reserve.

The cavern was monitored and regulated by the RailRoadCommission of Texas, who are actually the people responsible for the hydrocarbon storage and any emissions or issues, and have not once been mentioned on the news feeds.

Texas Brine are taking it up the arse, as it fits the containment scenario that they generated as most palatable for the public.

TRR C, have regulatory power over all pipelines in the continental US, including Alaskan territoties. Their web site has some amzing historical information as to how and why this came to be. Including the relationship with Texas Brine, and the oil industry and the very little spoken subject of oil 'reserves'.


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Personally I think the prep' and leasing was started a decade ago. Really hard to find info out on this without forking over money.

I think the strata issues that cropped up from the massive pressures released by DWH 1, 2 and 3 and other fissures that openned up in the area led to ingress that followed the fault/salt right up to the shelf and under the land.

Who knows, maybe even Peigneur has created weakened strata throughout the area. Add fracking, which is rife, and you have naturally pressurised caverns suddenly releasing, allowing gasses and aquifers to flow where before they were contained.

Liquids and gasses will always find a way out!

That they found a way out along the edge of the cavern isnt a surprise.

You made a good point about using oil and brine together, which stay reasonably seperate, depending on the make up.

Any collapse of a pocket near a cavern which may have been an aquifer to start with, is reason for what you described above.

Dont forget the might Missi is flowing on the 'surface' not far by, and no doubt below the surface through many aquifers and loose gravels etc through out the region as well.

If you look at Louisianna on google earth, you can almost see a massive delta shape that goes all the way up and then along the Missi' and Arkansas border. The region is dotted with lakes, swamps etc, which is fed no doubt by many underground sources.


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I was checking the Parish out for fracking/gas points, and there are heaps to see on G/Earth.


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[link to www.twdb.state.tx.us]

I realise it's Texas, but the data is no doubt very similar to that which would be found in Louisana.

Some good info on the salt dome/pillow/vien formations and aquifers, and how fluids of any kind can travel along these natural pipelines.

Thought it might be of interest to those wishing to explore things from a more scientifically documented perspective.


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It's a bit hard, sometimes to visualise what is going on beneath the ground, when all we're fed is chopper pics from fly overs.

Seizmic scans and similar data doesnt allow one, unless schooled in how to interpret the data, what is going on. Talking in technical terms doesnt help either.

These have been posted before. Together though, you will get an idea of the grand scale of this 'event'. As was said a page back, these salt domes, when described as being a mile wide, and 3 miles deep, is really only a description of the 'mushrooms' head. It goes far deeper, and springs off a larger vein or pillow, that itself runs for hundreds of miles.

This is a good example of a reserve created in a dome. The entire dome is not gone, only a portion of it, close to the rock strata rim, and usually, an aquifer. In most cases, oil is near if all these elements exist near each other.

[image link I cant repost ...sorry]

If the above shows just 'some' dome, and you can take in that scale, now look at the following, which represents hundreds of miles, from what we refer to as dry land, all the way out to ocean, and true deep water.

[image link I cant repost ...sorry]

Both pics above only show 'one' cross section. Spread that out hundreds of miles either way, and understand that the veins run for hundreds of miles in all directions, and form shelves, and this pic will show you what damage has been done to the coast, especially off Louisianna. The sea bed is full of holes. Is it any wonder that 'some' sea water has penetrated these salt layers and domes, causing collapses? I used the term cascade failure. I used it casually to describe what is occuring from DWH and up in to the shallows and on to land (under it).

All those dots represent rigs, wells, test bores, and sealed reserves.
(28,000) plus. Only (6,500) of which are monitored.

Is the connection becomming more apparent between DWH and Assumption?

It's simple. It's SALT.


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After DWH, when the corexit sprayed on the surface, and pumped under the water stopped any real visible destruction for the MSM to report on, the reporting, all be it contrived... stopped.

It was left to the alternatives to keep the pressure on, and keep some kind of reporting, speculation, anything! to keep the issue alive, especially for the Gulf folk.

IMHO, the DWH disaster has taken two years to slowly work its way up to Assumption.

What's happening now? Les fly over's, less reporting, less briefings. They are closing it down, from a media perspective.

The release of an unknown substance from a Shell platform a few days back was gazumped by the aweful platform fire which took the lives of two workers. It is really sad, and emotionally charged, and damn it! we'll get to the bottom of it......
..... err, but back to the unknown substance leaking from the 'other' platform. How's that going? What's the deal there?

How come specialist burn wards are taking on burn victims in the last week. Where did they come from? They say (11) were badly burned enough at the platform fire. What about the others being admitted across the states?


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Great Grandfather has a thread about the Great Lakes losing water. He lives on one. He also has photographic evidence of the water loss, plus some historical pics to back up what he says.

I'm thinking this is the other end of the cascade, that may have started at Macondo.

Might we be seeing Cayce/Scallion's visions starting to come true?

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When any body of water, not usually linked to ocean tides suddenly becomes linked, the forces become far greater. The movements become far greater. The abrasive and liquefaction abilities become greater.

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It's not so much what is in ONE dome, or multiple caverns within that dome structure.

It's that they're interconnected, and breeched, allowing water, oil etc to move around through stratas not normally openned to fluid movement. That half the country is fracked a part hasnt helped either, nor the massive pin cushion, in the GoM off Louisiana.


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Tidal action would be the smoking gun connecting land based evenyts to ocean based events.

Tidal action, in salt domes equals 'sawing' action, further eroding strata, enabling the next area to be destabilised.

That tidal effects are being seen on land at the sink hole proves much deeper, larger cavern and salt formation issues.

Be an interesting exercise to see if there have been any noted massive increases in salt content in the GoM anywhere.

They say that a change in water colour is one signifier of this.


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Quote XXX:
Why do I recall you and I discussing the possibilty of communication between the sinkhole and the gulf?
Oh that's right--we said this weeks ago!!! Hugs


BHD:
There was a sinkhole in Chicago that swallowed (3) cars, but was drowned out by sad events elsewhere of late.

Got me thinking that it might be the beginning of the other side to the equation CD. The link between the Great Lakes, the sinkhole and the GoM. All depends on how long these salt formation are, and where they lead.

Mind you, fraking half the continental United States has probably created all kinds of ne pathways for water ingress.

As a contributor to the original bezerk thread, my initial interest in this starts in the GoM, but the wider consequences in all directions are always at the back of my mind.

I was thinking about the GoM, and how you might control any further tidal action sawing away at the strata below Louisianna and beyond.

If it became a 'pond' by blocking the entry and exit, would the body of water still have current flow? Is it beg enough to generate its own tidal action?

My bet is yes. But my bet has also been on what might occur to Lou' and Missi' also occuring to Mexico and Baha.

I read a fascinating article on power generation using hi saline water, where temperature between top layers and bottom layers are controlled, and hydrogen is extracted from methanics.

Know any places where vast differences in temperature exist, where hi salt concentrations exist, or are now being brought in to existance, and where there are billions of tonnes of hydrocarbons in the form of methane and methyl hydrates?

What we're seeing might be the unexpected results of such an energy plan. Mind you, that is from a rational mind. An irrational mind wouldn't care about the devestation, millions of acres of land lost, lives lost, or resultant climate change. Eye on the money ball.

The other salt domes in the region might be worth a dig around too, especially those in Texas, where the aquifer is largest.


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Finally, an industry expert agrees that the deeper gases, which are likely melting mythylhydrates, are accumulating in and around the ruptured salt dome.

[link to enenews.com]

It's not a sinkhole folks, as that would imply a natural occurance.

Fluid movement in, around, below and beyond the dome, including the Missi' aluvial aquifer is driving a cascade collapse in the region.


Gas is pressurising the voids - for the time being.

Grand Canyon anyone? Except this time, it's connected to the ocean.

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Howdy. Currents and eddies are where it's at. Geo engineering, even terra forming if you like.

Remember the Star Trek film where they changed the direction of the 'ribbon'? Blew this star up, and the resulting gravitational changes made the ribbon intersect with the planet.

Cayce and Scallion could never understand how the Earth changes could be so drastic so as to create the link between GoM and Great Lakes. They put it down to Earth changes, but always maintained that MAN was involved.

Now that we have half the continental US in a super fracked state, the untethered stratas, and converging fault lines have a clean pathway, linking the two.

After the initial destruction of one of the domes at Macondo, in the Gulf, the salt networks slow erosion, collapse, sea water ingress, methyl hydrate melts and releases are finally showing on dry land at Assumption.

Said all that before, and so have a few others.

But the why of it... ever growing greed and means of tapping larger areas of oil created the need. Technology has created the means.

But simple things such as the volativity of ocean currents, especially at depth, have made the ultra deep water and torrid water drill sites almost impossible and uneconomic to work on. The sheer depth of riser, and flexibility required to withstand currents, often working in multiple flow directions, made the operation difficult, and so hazardous that they have not progressed.

But stop the currents, especially in areas where infrastructure is in place (GoM, Nth Sea, Lower Arctic) and the game changes instantly.

The new current flowing down through the old StLawrence Seaway, Great Lakes, through to the GoM would change the way currents of the world flowed. Weather would also change.

Add a ground collapse through Mexico and Baha, and any 'presure' in the GoM is relieved, creating relatively stable deep water.

Easier to drill, tap, reserve or lay pipelines back to relatively close infrastructure, already in place.


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Tau Ceti, you mentioned the aquifers and the Missi'. The Missi' reversed flow a while back, after a hurricane. They called it a tidal surge. Can you imagine the forces required to reverse the flow of a river the size of the Missi'?

The underground Missi River and interconnected aquifers were what created the reverse flow, likely from an already collapsed dome elsewhere drawing in the water.

Only a few miles of river reversed direction. Drained? Until equilibrium was reached. Same happened at Lake Peigneur. (test run?)

Wondering if much of the drought has been about redirection of water to other dome and salt formations leading towards the Great Lakes, in preparation.

Fracking at multiple depths creates the fracturing yes, but also provides large amounts of data during the explosive process which can be used to map out the terrain. (subterrain) This enables the next frack to be directed.

Forgot to add, the Japan sinking in to the sea (beneath the waves) also factors in to this argument.

Litterally follow the dots, or deep and ultra deep drilling going on around the world at present.


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I think we're just witness to the start of it Karu. Not expecting instant canyons, more slow evacuations, ground subsidence, floods, gass releases, ponds, sinks, lakes, salt saturated lands, animal migrations.

Our TVs have programmed us for insta-doom. We expect it now.

As much as I think it will be slow doom, who knows what the full plan is, or is masked by? A tilt could be a catylist for it, sure.

One thing that is so important, long term, with regards law suits and dammages, is that the problems at the Napoleonville salt dome are referred to as a 'sink hole' issue.

A sink hole is a natural phenominon, and the leases for caverns are for the 'voids' within the caverns.

We are witnessing a salt dome collapse, which can be linked back to activity far away, specifically BP's DWH disaster.

When the waves and currents flow over once habbitable lands, the topics discussed here will be long forgotten, and will seem ridiculous.



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thank you for that post. it explains so much.
you've done great research.
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thank you for that post. it explains so much.
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BHD has been the real King in this !
Over at "Bezerk" we all have our own individual specific fields of interest and research, which in the end glue perfectly together to cover a broad spectrum of information.
We were sparked into this by researching salt-domes and sub-continental cave-systems [and the leave-event that turned up at an other continent] ...

You are so welcome !

Yes it explain so much !!!
Its really a bigger picture and multileveled, by looking at just one aspect you will not figure out this sinkhole-event which is in fact a SALT-DOME EVENT connected to the oil-business and beyond ...

That is why expertise and research on many levels and layers at the same time [by a lot of people] has enabled it to see it in perspective.

(***Thanks to all who contributed hf ***)




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Whatever is causing the movement is definitely underwater - there's no surface wind blowing (the little bush/tree in front right of video doesn't move a stem).

Did waves begin to appear prior to or during the Lake Peigneur disaster? I can't seem to find any similarities, just info on maelstroms and vortex/whirlpool activity.


"There is lots of activity on the sinkhole this morning. Dr Horton reports that this increase in activity started about 5:00 a.m. (this morning).

There is abundant surface water movement [...]

Also, currently, a burp event is occurring in the center of the sink hole. [...]"

[link to enenews.com]
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Other people have commented the same. But pretty sure that's tidal movement tied into the gulf of mexico.

I need to read more about this.
Definitely not normal
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This is really bad for Madrid fault, its gonna blow soon1
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More Americans need to know about this story, which has essentially been kept from mainstream coverage.

I was talking to someone in the Dallas area and they had never even heard the story at all!
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What, exactly do you expect of them once in possessin of this knowledge? Americans now know about 9/11......and...
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This^^
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I had a really bad dream about a huge record breaking quake in Michigan.
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When did you had that dream?.....Date of the day you woke up from that dream, please? hf

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"For 2 consecutive years, lots of rumors concerning big earthquakes and pole shifts caused by a celestial object to occur around the date of August 17 has been circulating on the internet from sources like John Moore and Mike Harris (Nibiru Aug 17 2012) and Pattie Brassard (Mag 15 quake Aug 17 2013).....Is there in any way a chance that the real date could actually be this year? .....August 17-27 2014????" ----Solar Guardian
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No! We don't want doom in Michigan!
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and to think it was all planned and orchestrated by the so called illuminati and the movers and shakers who are the minions of satan

sick sucks

be a real pleasure to rid the earth of their ilk

dollar to a doughnut says they won't be fit to incoporate into the New Jerusalem City of Light

they're gonna miss all the beauty of the upcoming Age, trapped in the outer darkness without benefit of even the smallest modicum of light save for that which comes from the Christ entity who sits as King therein

and they'll likely flee on their hands and knees when He draweth nigh...

on a full time basis for the full measure of such

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It's a tunnel to the gulf.
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Here is my professional take on it. I say professional because I am a cave diver that lives in North Florida and have over 2500 cave dives under my belt. I am familiar with both inland caves/sinks as well as sea caves and sinks (yes, there are sinkholes in the gulf too -- just usually deep).
To see some drawings and maps of these caves sinks (Green Banana Sink for example is in the gulf) visit this website. You might find it interesting:

[link to floridacaves.com]

Anyhow, my take on seeing this movement would be to think "tidal" forces BUT there are a few difficult issues to consider with at least what I can SEE in the video.

1) The forces are cyclical for sure (makes one think of tide) BUT it is localized to a small area. You can see the floating containment barriers mostly moves in the FRONT of the video frame but there is no movement in the distance. It is mostly contained to the immediate area far left and to the right.

2) When you encounter caves that are tidally affected by tides and gulf conditions there is never "flow surge" caused by the link to the gulf... EVER. Yes, it will change the water conditions (is the cave clear or blown out during particular hours) but the changes are more of the QUALITY of the water not the MOVEMENT of the water.... the ONLY exception to this is the caves that are actually IN the gulf or immediately off shore (such as in a bay just off the gulf) such as Crystal Beach Spring... but even there it is minimal unless being in full open ocean.

3) If there was a "passage" linking the gulf to this sink it would be at depth. To cause this type of water movement at the SURFACE would mean that it would have to surge from the entry point all the way to the surface. This would be near impossible due to the volume of water movement. Think of it this way:

Take a large styrofoam cup and make a hole toward the bottom for a straw. Plug the straw at the bottom with your mouth and fill up the cup. Then start sucking out water and blowing back in..... you will see a vortex effect at the BOTTOM (add food coloring to help see) but the water at the top will not move (unless you go loopy and start blowing bubbles).

Therefore I find surface movement like this to be caused by a PASSAGE between the gulf and this sink some, what, 35 miles away unlikely.

4) A test of the salinity of the water at that spot would be interesting.

5) History of the sink would be helpful. Is this water movement historical or a NEW effect. If this is new I would not want to be anywhere near this location as I am thinking instability.

6) Something else to consider is water relocation. The video was short so we can not see any level drops but if this thing is getting deeper the water is going somewhere.

Visualize this: You have a big cup (such as in the previous example) but instead place the straw in the bottom (like a drain plug). Now let LIMITED bursts of water out of the straw at like 2 second bursts. As you let the water out the water will shift.... one direction... then do another burst of water and the water will SHIFT the other direction... if you do this on a timed pattern you will get the surface to shift back and forth...

The is an effect I have seen before in the water at unique locations that cause momentary changes in water flow and "release" enough to let the next "wave" of flow come... you can sit there in the water column like superman and just shift left-right-left-right (or forward-back depending on how you are facing)... kinda cool.


Summary:

One thing I can say is this fact. I have NEVER in my thousands of cave dives at 60+ different sites EVER seen something like this in an inland sinkhole (including Mexican Cenotes).... ever. It is really weird and would be kind of neat to dive IF there is any visibility at all. I would be hesitant to dive it myself as personally I lean towards total instability of substructure as the cause and water relocation. You sure wouldn't want to be in there when it REALLY gives out. You might find yourself rapidly relocated somewhere you don't want to be (such as 500 feet down on a breathing gas you don't want to be on. Hell, even with my experience the deepest cave dive I did was 338 feet and I was using Trimix which has Helium in the mix to help lower the Nitrogen so you don't get totally blow out of your mind) -- being sucked down to 500 feet = bye bye.

Anyway, just my take on the visual observations of the video. Hope this offers some thinking points for others.
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