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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27386757 United States 08/04/2013 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You said you have been in mj for the past 15 years. I am a similar story, heavily into the scene but a hair less time. I wholeheartedly appreciate your information regarding its stranglehold it can have on spiritual development. Thank you thank you thank you, please know people like me are learning and reading your seemingly brilliant posts. thanks. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44589543 United Kingdom 08/04/2013 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am going to read your book but could you give me one way to protect ourselves from the negative/evil beings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43895232 I have mentioned some practical exercises in the book. Other important things are to be aware of such influence, since being aware of it will automatically also help you protect yourself subconsciously, and stay away from situations that can make you open for such attacks, such as the use of drugs. Learn about your Mind, Psychology, your Soul and Spiritual Being, learn astral projection, deep meditations, lucid dreaming, and become in total control of your own Self. Protect yourself psychically and spiritually and do cleansing and healing work on yourself. I will try to write some better guidelines with more practical information and exercises soon in a new book or article. There is a reason why we are commanded to not partake in sorcery and all it's variants, and yet here you are promoting it - the very things Freemasons and every other pagan religion does and wants others to partake in. You aren't giving away any 'secrets' but rather you are enticing people with the thought that they can obtain hidden knowledge by doing these things. Our God left words for all of us - and they are in that dusty Bible sitting on shelves across this land. But instead of Christ, you seek your self. But instead of Christ, you hold out two kids of deceivers who themselves deceive as the answer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44589543 United Kingdom 08/04/2013 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the tragedies of falling into pagan thought is the complete oppression that comes onto the mind specifically regarding outside 'spiritual entities', and the reason is the pagan does not know the following Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Can you not see that as our society falls into pagan beliefs that the same as the middle ages is rising yet again gripping the mind? Angels and demonology Exorcisms Ghost hunting Fairies relabelled as ETs Statues bleeding Ghosts Speaking with the dead Horoscopes Psychics Tarot cards Friday the 13th animal whispering mind altering meditation Drug trips These are all SYMPTOMS of an oppressed mind devoid of the knowledge of Our God and His Son. And yet, you post a video about entities and supposed "good" freemasons? Five minutes in and it's readily apparent that it's scripted for all those enamoured by those things above. Free YOUR MIND AND KNOW THAT GOD IS SOVEREIGN. There are no runaway demons and 'fallen entiries' when ALL authority has been given to the Son Of God, Jesus Christ. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42653865 Denmark 08/04/2013 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BuzzSaw, the new conspiracy show continuing where "Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura" left off, hosted by Tyrel Ventura the son of Jesse Ventura, and Sean Stone the son of Oliver Stone, did an interview with me last week. Here it is: Quoting: SolarSon Page: [link to dld.bz] YT link: [link to www.youtube.com] DOWNLOAD THE BOOK MENTIONED IN THE VIDEO HERE: [link to dld.bz] IF YOU PREFER TO READ BOOKS IN PHYSICAL FORM, YOU CAN GET THE HARDCOVER & PAPERBACK VERSION FROM HERE: [link to dld.bz] EDIT: For more indepth information on the topics discussed in the video, check some of my other threads that expands a lot: Thread: Breaking my vows of secrecy for you Thread: Third Eye revealed - How it is a "remote control" to your mind Thread: The Origins of Mankind - From Spirit world, to Mars, Atlantis & beyond. Thread: ORIGINS OF EXISTENCE, THE TRAP SYSTEM AND ASCENSION Thread: How your MIND and BODY are affected by OUTSIDE FORCES - A complete overview! Soul fragmentation and Jacobs ladder allways a snack Its clearly a upgrade from Ventura, but it gets slipery by the focus laid on scapegoating makes it toxic still, no matter if intentions are good. The word control is mentioned atleast 40 times, where is the sandbox and personal space? |
SolarSon (OP) User ID: 40489617 Argentina 08/04/2013 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You said you have been in mj for the past 15 years. I am a similar story, heavily into the scene but a hair less time. I wholeheartedly appreciate your information regarding its stranglehold it can have on spiritual development. Thank you thank you thank you, please know people like me are learning and reading your seemingly brilliant posts. thanks. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27386757 You are welcome. Good luck on your journey. .'. Ubique Daemon Ubique Deus .'. Offline contact: [email protected] - SEEC Spiritual-Ecological Education Center: [link to www.SEECenter.net] - EARTH: A Spiritual Trap & Practical Exercises to Ascend: [link to www.ebax.si] - Facebook Page: [link to dld.bz] Every Man and every Woman is a Star. |
SolarSon (OP) User ID: 40489617 Argentina 08/04/2013 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a reason why we are commanded to not partake in sorcery and all it's variants, and yet here you are promoting it - the very things Freemasons and every other pagan religion does and wants others to partake in. You aren't giving away any 'secrets' but rather you are enticing people with the thought that they can obtain hidden knowledge by doing these things. Our God left words for all of us - and they are in that dusty Bible sitting on shelves across this land. But instead of Christ, you seek your self. But instead of Christ, you hold out two kids of deceivers who themselves deceive as the answer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44589543 The knowledge has not been hidden by God - it has been hidden by greedy men who want to keep the power for their own selfish reasons. We all have the power within, it is not obtained, or gotten from any external source - all you have to do is to learn how to tap into your own inner self and realize your true being. Christ himself was a master occultist, deeply involved with these practices, and truly understood exactly these powers, which he in turn taught to others. That is what has been taken away from you and covered up in mainstream religion. .'. Ubique Daemon Ubique Deus .'. Offline contact: [email protected] - SEEC Spiritual-Ecological Education Center: [link to www.SEECenter.net] - EARTH: A Spiritual Trap & Practical Exercises to Ascend: [link to www.ebax.si] - Facebook Page: [link to dld.bz] Every Man and every Woman is a Star. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44590494 United States 08/04/2013 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of the tragedies of falling into pagan thought is the complete oppression that comes onto the mind specifically regarding outside 'spiritual entities', and the reason is the pagan does not know the following Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44589543 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Can you not see that as our society falls into pagan beliefs that the same as the middle ages is rising yet again gripping the mind? Angels and demonology Exorcisms Ghost hunting Fairies relabelled as ETs Statues bleeding Ghosts Speaking with the dead Horoscopes Psychics Tarot cards Friday the 13th animal whispering mind altering meditation Drug trips These are all SYMPTOMS of an oppressed mind devoid of the knowledge of Our God and His Son. And yet, you post a video about entities and supposed "good" freemasons? Five minutes in and it's readily apparent that it's scripted for all those enamoured by those things above. Free YOUR MIND AND KNOW THAT GOD IS SOVEREIGN. There are no runaway demons and 'fallen entiries' when ALL authority has been given to the Son Of God, Jesus Christ. Great post. This thread is an example of externalizing the hierarchy, it's nearly another step into Ordo AB Chao, where the hierarchy is presented, and the resulting chaos is presented with a solution. Controlled opposition. Jesus Christ is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. |
SolarSon (OP) User ID: 40489617 Argentina 08/04/2013 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is always entertaining to see the self-proclaimed "Christians" speaking the most about Jesus, yet the know the least about Jesus. This is not directly their own fault though, as they have been brainwashed and indoctrinated into their beliefs, which they truly take, although ignorantly, as "reality". I do advice you all to look deeper into yourselves, before looking to other "avatars" and "saviors" - after all, that is what those "saviors" really wanted you to do in the first place. .'. Ubique Daemon Ubique Deus .'. Offline contact: [email protected] - SEEC Spiritual-Ecological Education Center: [link to www.SEECenter.net] - EARTH: A Spiritual Trap & Practical Exercises to Ascend: [link to www.ebax.si] - Facebook Page: [link to dld.bz] Every Man and every Woman is a Star. |
SolarSon (OP) User ID: 40595408 Argentina 08/04/2013 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me know if you have any further questions, comments or feedback. Will be on a bit longer. .'. Ubique Daemon Ubique Deus .'. Offline contact: [email protected] - SEEC Spiritual-Ecological Education Center: [link to www.SEECenter.net] - EARTH: A Spiritual Trap & Practical Exercises to Ascend: [link to www.ebax.si] - Facebook Page: [link to dld.bz] Every Man and every Woman is a Star. |
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SolarSon (OP) User ID: 40489617 Argentina 08/04/2013 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me know if you have any further questions, comments or feedback. Will be on a bit longer. Quoting: SolarSon Is it true that you cant make everybody happy? It probably is. .'. Ubique Daemon Ubique Deus .'. Offline contact: [email protected] - SEEC Spiritual-Ecological Education Center: [link to www.SEECenter.net] - EARTH: A Spiritual Trap & Practical Exercises to Ascend: [link to www.ebax.si] - Facebook Page: [link to dld.bz] Every Man and every Woman is a Star. |
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Fun-Da-Mental User ID: 4433985 Netherlands 08/04/2013 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I Thank The Architect for your being here and responding as you do. I applaud you, but thanks go to 'God', The Architect and Circle With No Centre:) A Riddle inside a Puzzle within an Enigma:) Glad to see you here, green karma from me to you, a Brethren Fellow Master Mason, here to acknowledge your 'Struggle' to enlighten the masses, but all thanks go to The Most High. Keep on keeping on and much respect!:) If you ever need me/us, Call on The Architect and it wil find its way to me/what you need:) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27386757 United States 08/04/2013 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do you recommend completely ceasing cannabis use? I have been heavily medicating for 10 years straight. I am now on a 811 raw vegan lifestyle, and I believe this is the key to changing our lifespans. Coupled with the China Studies information the 80-10-10 raw vegan lifestyle I believe is the key to dodging the damaging effects of excess insulin-release from meat, dairy, and cooked carbs. We are frugivorous beings and as such have much greater potential than 100 years if we feed our body correctly. So coupling the dietary information I know is accurate, where do you think cannabis or psychedelic usage can fit into evolution of our spirit body? Can \ do psychedelics help with this process? We know cannabis has many uses, but like you have said, it seems that they are mainly for people with serious diseases \ ailments, rather than someone like me who uses it medically, but also abuses it recreationally and probably not really necessary anymore medically. What about mushrooms? I personally will never ingest LSD as I am more into natural things, but what are your thoughts on the matter please? Thanks! |
bobobibi User ID: 20156106 United States 08/04/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BuzzSaw, the new conspiracy show continuing where "Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura" left off, hosted by Tyrel Ventura the son of Jesse Ventura, and Sean Stone the son of Oliver Stone, did an interview with me last week. Here it is: Quoting: SolarSon Page: [link to dld.bz] YT link: [link to www.youtube.com] DOWNLOAD THE BOOK MENTIONED IN THE VIDEO HERE: [link to dld.bz] IF YOU PREFER TO READ BOOKS IN PHYSICAL FORM, YOU CAN GET THE HARDCOVER & PAPERBACK VERSION FROM HERE: [link to dld.bz] EDIT: For more indepth information on the topics discussed in the video, check some of my other threads that expands a lot: Thread: Breaking my vows of secrecy for you Thread: Third Eye revealed - How it is a "remote control" to your mind Thread: The Origins of Mankind - From Spirit world, to Mars, Atlantis & beyond. Thread: ORIGINS OF EXISTENCE, THE TRAP SYSTEM AND ASCENSION Thread: How your MIND and BODY are affected by OUTSIDE FORCES - A complete overview! Zoinx |
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SolarSon (OP) User ID: 40595408 Argentina 08/04/2013 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, there's two factions in the masons, yet they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. Quoting: K.Kool That pretty much makes them the same, don't both have to swear loyalty and follow orders without question? Actually there are more than two. But, what it boils down to is this: One is corrupt, perverted and selfish, working for their own gain - the other one is honest, truthful and benevolent, working for us all. Mainstream masonry belongs to the first of these two - but that does not make every mainstream mason "bad", in fact most masons are good and normal people like all of us. It is on the higher level the corruption is found, and those of lower degrees usually have no idea. .'. Ubique Daemon Ubique Deus .'. Offline contact: [email protected] - SEEC Spiritual-Ecological Education Center: [link to www.SEECenter.net] - EARTH: A Spiritual Trap & Practical Exercises to Ascend: [link to www.ebax.si] - Facebook Page: [link to dld.bz] Every Man and every Woman is a Star. |
K.Kool User ID: 25946460 Australia 08/04/2013 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, there's two factions in the masons, yet they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. Quoting: K.Kool That pretty much makes them the same, don't both have to swear loyalty and follow orders without question? Actually there are more than two. But, what it boils down to is this: One is corrupt, perverted and selfish, working for their own gain - the other one is honest, truthful and benevolent, working for us all. Mainstream masonry belongs to the first of these two - but that does not make every mainstream mason "bad", in fact most masons are good and normal people like all of us. It is on the higher level the corruption is found, and those of lower degrees usually have no idea. What happens when orders come from higher up masons, that have to be followed? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44589667 Brazil 08/04/2013 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all sources have some level of truth to offer, but the real, final truth cannot be found out there; instead you need to take a deep plunge into one's inner self. I have yet to find a book describing the things I have learned thru deep introspection. |
Pyractomena borealis User ID: 20793638 United States 08/04/2013 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting OP. Thank you. I am an Oliver Stone fan and he seems to have raised a good kid.....just a feeling. There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster Omnia Vincit Amor ~ Virgil The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton |
Pyractomena borealis User ID: 20793638 United States 08/04/2013 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, there's two factions in the masons, yet they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. Quoting: K.Kool That pretty much makes them the same, don't both have to swear loyalty and follow orders without question? So there are Catholic priests who molest little boys, they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. That pretty much makes them the same. Just sayin. As a woman, this is the message I get from the church of Paul... "Men, find a wife and marry so you an ef your brains out; she must submit to you, and therefore you will be less likely to sin. No birth control, no abortion and if she divorces you she can not re-marry or she will be committing adultery and burn in hell. " However, there does not seem to be any hellfire for these child molesters? Jesus said; "I say unto you, Make No Oath" (That goes for freemasonry and marriage). At the time he was speaking of marriage, was he not? There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster Omnia Vincit Amor ~ Virgil The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton |
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K.Kool User ID: 25946460 Australia 08/04/2013 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, there's two factions in the masons, yet they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. Quoting: K.Kool That pretty much makes them the same, don't both have to swear loyalty and follow orders without question? So there are Catholic priests who molest little boys, they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. That pretty much makes them the same. Just sayin. As a woman, this is the message I get from the church of Paul... "Men, find a wife and marry so you an ef your brains out; she must submit to you, and therefore you will be less likely to sin. No birth control, no abortion and if she divorces you she can not re-marry or she will be committing adultery and burn in hell. " However, there does not seem to be any hellfire for these child molesters? Jesus said; "I say unto you, Make No Oath" (That goes for freemasonry and marriage). At the time he was speaking of marriage, was he not? Pedophiles who molest children are prosecuted, they don't get to keep issuing orders to loyal followers. Your view on marriage is rather grim, lol, I doubt if any priest anywhere would urge a woman to be in that kind of situation. The sacrament of marriage is actually made between the man and the woman out of their own free-will, not an oath made to anybody. It's hard for people not in the Church to understand, to know, what happens when a marriage involves God... the issue of birth-control, of natural means, can be a marriage-nurturing one. Abortion cannot be condoned, even if women who do it can be forgiven. |
Pyractomena borealis User ID: 20793638 United States 08/04/2013 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, there's two factions in the masons, yet they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. Quoting: K.Kool That pretty much makes them the same, don't both have to swear loyalty and follow orders without question? So there are Catholic priests who molest little boys, they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. That pretty much makes them the same. Just sayin. As a woman, this is the message I get from the church of Paul... "Men, find a wife and marry so you an ef your brains out; she must submit to you, and therefore you will be less likely to sin. No birth control, no abortion and if she divorces you she can not re-marry or she will be committing adultery and burn in hell. " However, there does not seem to be any hellfire for these child molesters? Jesus said; "I say unto you, Make No Oath" (That goes for freemasonry and marriage). At the time he was speaking of marriage, was he not? Pedophiles who molest children are prosecuted, they don't get to keep issuing orders to loyal followers. Your view on marriage is rather grim, lol, I doubt if any priest anywhere would urge a woman to be in that kind of situation. The sacrament of marriage is actually made between the man and the woman out of their own free-will, not an oath made to anybody. It's hard for people not in the Church to understand, to know, what happens when a marriage involves God... the issue of birth-control, of natural means, can be a marriage-nurturing one. Abortion cannot be condoned, even if women who do it can be forgiven. See bolded above. One needs a marriage license....from the Government. There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster Omnia Vincit Amor ~ Virgil The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton |
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evolutard User ID: 27386757 United States 08/04/2013 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do you recommend completely ceasing cannabis use? I have been heavily medicating for 10 years straight. I am now on a 811 raw vegan lifestyle, and I believe this is the key to changing our lifespans. Coupled with the China Studies information the 80-10-10 raw vegan lifestyle I believe is the key to dodging the damaging effects of excess insulin-release from meat, dairy, and cooked carbs. We are frugivorous beings and as such have much greater potential than 100 years if we feed our body correctly. So coupling the dietary information I know is accurate, where do you think cannabis or psychedelic usage can fit into evolution of our spirit body? Can \ do psychedelics help with this process? We know cannabis has many uses, but like you have said, it seems that they are mainly for people with serious diseases \ ailments, rather than someone like me who uses it medically, but also abuses it recreationally and probably not really necessary anymore medically. What about mushrooms? I personally will never ingest LSD as I am more into natural things, but what are your thoughts on the matter please? Thanks! |
JasmineinNM User ID: 15256858 United States 08/04/2013 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I liked it and believe you are genuine, with good intentions. Thanks. Just out of curiosity, and as an aside, where do you think the world is going right now. Are we really living during revolutionary times. Are very big things going to be happening soon. Just curious as to your take. Peace. Yes, there are great things ahead, as new positive energies are coming into the power structure. There will be visible changes, some have already manifested lately (pope stepping down, italian prime minister sentenced to years in jail, whistleblowers not being stopped such as Snowden, etc) and much more to come. But, there will also be some difficult and problematic situations ahead, some bumps in the road so to speak, caused by the current negative energies in power that want to do what they can to maintain their control and leadership. They are on their way to downfall though, by some more time, and many revelations and truths to be exposed and come out. I liked that you mention electromagnetic frequencies as an aspect of mind control technology. The technology is way more advanced than people realize. The gang stalking / targeted individual phenomenon is real. People such as high-level scientist Robert Duncan who wrote "Project Soul Catcher: Volume Two" are talking about something ongoing right now that is very sophisticated and very ominous. The capabilities are enormous and sometimes rise to the level of "technological possession," where the ability to manipulate one's motor centers is achieved - opening the target's eyes, turning their head, even "walking" the target (though the target can override this and not be "walked" by this outside force). It all seems to come down to an ability to read the weak electric signal emanating from the brain, and alter it (introduce a modified signal back into the brain) to produce complex effects. Even neurotransmitter levels can be precisely modified. And complete control of the autonomic functions is possible (digestive system, etc.). Folks won't believe it, even perhaps on a conspiracy website, but it is real, and seems to be a computer/satellite based weapons/control system. Probably a NATO (USA) thing, but of course, Russia & China would want to keep up. Also there is the ability to introduce thoughts into the brains of selected individuals, known as synthetic telepathy. Maybe they can even introduce the same thought in larger groups of people. Not sure. ____________ But anyway, what do you think of all this. Do you think the apparent goal (total control, both external and internal) can be achieved? What is going to happen to this technology, even if the current operators are removed from power? The human being remains vulnerable to these things (there is no known form of shielding for the individual - not Faraday cages, etc.), and it is likely that the system is highly protected in nuclear hardened bunkers etc. This is probably outside the scope of your thread, and these are tough questions, I know, but I am curious as to your thoughts. Thanks. There is seemingly only one solution for this kind of technology.........and that is an EMP burst. Yes, hundreds of millions...perhaps even billions of people would perhaps die but those that remained alive might be able to live free of bondage and having these technological atrocities put upon them. JMHO |
K.Kool User ID: 25946460 Australia 08/04/2013 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, there's two factions in the masons, yet they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. Quoting: K.Kool That pretty much makes them the same, don't both have to swear loyalty and follow orders without question? So there are Catholic priests who molest little boys, they both promulgate the same knowledge and share the same ideas. That pretty much makes them the same. Just sayin. As a woman, this is the message I get from the church of Paul... "Men, find a wife and marry so you an ef your brains out; she must submit to you, and therefore you will be less likely to sin. No birth control, no abortion and if she divorces you she can not re-marry or she will be committing adultery and burn in hell. " However, there does not seem to be any hellfire for these child molesters? Jesus said; "I say unto you, Make No Oath" (That goes for freemasonry and marriage). At the time he was speaking of marriage, was he not? Pedophiles who molest children are prosecuted, they don't get to keep issuing orders to loyal followers. Your view on marriage is rather grim, lol, I doubt if any priest anywhere would urge a woman to be in that kind of situation. The sacrament of marriage is actually made between the man and the woman out of their own free-will, not an oath made to anybody. It's hard for people not in the Church to understand, to know, what happens when a marriage involves God... the issue of birth-control, of natural means, can be a marriage-nurturing one. Abortion cannot be condoned, even if women who do it can be forgiven. See bolded above. One needs a marriage license....from the Government. Yes, to make it a legal contract, but this is not the same as an oath given to an individually unknown brotherhood, to follow orders without question. |