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Lawmakers want "Atheist Chaplains" in the military

 
TunafishSammiches

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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
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Make the fucking chaplain a Universal Unitarian and get it the hell over with already!
 Quoting: RantProne


They've had those for years.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


[link to uuworld.org]

Really. The Unitarians don't agree.
 Quoting: RantProne


Aren't the Unitarians a big NWO stereotype in their own right? Seems like I've heard the whole "Antichrist, one-world religion" thing before...
 Quoting: Wylfdane


You may be thinking of the United Religions Initiative. From years ago. Explains everything. Been employed for a long time now. Right about the same time the Earth Charter was created. I followed both and can't believe how far they've taken them.

Maurice Strong. Heard of him? His dirty fingers are all over both.
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This confirms what I've always thought. Atheism is a religion. Moreover it's a religion that is established by the state in a direct violation of the first amendment.

Atheists demand that you only believe their preposterious notion that nothing created everything. I'll give them credit, it takes massive faith to accept the idea that the insane detailed complexity of the universe and of life; more complex than any computer or machine we have built; happened all by a mere fluke or random chance.
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As an anti-theist atheist, I don't see the point of atheist groups. There aren't groups of people who aren't astrologists.
United Non-Astrologists of America, seems incredibly stupid.
My goal is to abolish all forms of organized religion.

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While I agree, most of the time atheists are just being petty bitches, in this case, I think I get it.

When they go to speak with the chaplain, I'd be willing to bet that they try to convert them instead of trying to help them with their issue.

As long as they aren't doing away with regular chaplains, it is an okay thing.
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Make the fucking chaplain a Universal Unitarian and get it the hell over with already!
 Quoting: RantProne


They've had those for years.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


[link to uuworld.org]

Really. The Unitarians don't agree.
 Quoting: RantProne


Aren't the Unitarians a big NWO stereotype in their own right? Seems like I've heard the whole "Antichrist, one-world religion" thing before...
 Quoting: Wylfdane


Yeah they're wolves in sheep's clothing.

Anyway to the topic they've started kicking out Christianity out of your military so they really need to replace it with something else, why not atheists which is clearly antichrist.
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Would a christian chaplain be incapable of helping an atheist, because their beliefs are different? Would a therapist be incapable of helping an atheist, simply because he doesn't call himself a chaplain? I'm sorry, but this is completely unnecessary and contradictory, and it just screams, "NWO Agenda!"
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Since when do atheists pray, and what do they pray to, themselves? A statue of Karl Marx? What?

Chaplain
[link to dictionary.reference.com]

Are all atheists this retarded or is it just some?
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Chaplin...... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Atheist Chaplin...... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Just sayin'.....Counselor? Okay, Atheist Chaplin.........NOT POSSIBLE.
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People keep wondering how they will get the military to attack it's own population, that's simple just replace the Christians with atheists and you will have a military that not only will attack and massacre their own population you will also have "excellent" soldiers for extermination camps.

Atheists are the best useful idiots in the world for the satanic.
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They've had those for years.
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


[link to uuworld.org]

Really. The Unitarians don't agree.
 Quoting: RantProne


Aren't the Unitarians a big NWO stereotype in their own right? Seems like I've heard the whole "Antichrist, one-world religion" thing before...
 Quoting: Wylfdane


Yeah they're wolves in sheep's clothing.

Anyway to the topic they've started kicking out Christianity out of your military so they really need to replace it with something else, why not atheists which is clearly antichrist.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Yes, I've noticed this myself. Christianity is being attacked on very front. They cant have people placing hope in anything more powerful than government. They wouldn't be able to maintain absolute control.
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I think they're called "humanist" chaplains. Harvard and most of the Ivys have them on campus.
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A few months after we left... he did it again to another little girl at the same park. Go figure.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


I take it the 14-year-old was the son of American military personnel. Did your husband work with his father?
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Yes his father was military himself. He was a master sergeant. I still to this day dont know why the military didnt do anything at all about it.

He did work with him, but they worked different shifts. My husband couldnt say anything. He was pulled into a room with the base commander, head of the security forces, his first shirt, a 4 star, and 3 star, and was told to keep his mouth shut.

We were all in our own little prison. And it didnt help that my husband was too afraid to stand up for his child to even dare say anything. ( I am still working on my anger about that)
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Unfortunately, this is what happens when you serve satanic forces....:(
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I feel sorry for children having to live in military bases overseas. Godless and satanic forces all around them.
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that should be atheist philosophers. I wouldnt mind a shaman supplying me with mushrooms..
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I feel sorry for children having to live in military bases overseas. Godless and satanic forces all around them.
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The base attracts them.
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FROM THE ARTICLE:

Torpy said current chaplains are not doing enough to embrace non-believers. Further, in response to the effort to require chaplains be affiliated with an endorsing faith, he said the Humanist Society is recognized as a religious organization by the one agency that matters, at least for taxes -- the IRS.


Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com]

Speaking as a devout Christian and a hospital chaplain, I actually agree with this--that non-believers need support. Military chaplains are all associated with a particular religion or Christian denomination. By focusing exclusively on someone's religious label, those who don't have a faith are pretty much left out. I minister to people of all faiths who are in spiritual distress because of a trauma/crisis. Many times people just need to talk about what's bothering them. But frequently people (including those who don't believe in God) will (in crisis) want to get connected to God or begin to explore a spiritual path and a good chaplain will help facilitate an opportunity for someone to do that without preaching or telling someone what to believe. I will say that non-believers also need support but I don't agree you need a designated non-believer chaplain to do that you need to have to current chaplains learn how to support those of different/no faith.

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"Atheist Chaplains" Interesting,what do they plan on worshiping?
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Bit of an oxymoron isn't it?
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... atheists want that designation so they don't have to have a counseling session on their records ... apparently "clergy" has that exemption ...
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... maybe the rules of "reporting" have to be changed and only apply to certain jobs and ALL have be "examined" for it ...
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Would a christian chaplain be incapable of helping an atheist, because their beliefs are different? Would a therapist be incapable of helping an atheist, simply because he doesn't call himself a chaplain? I'm sorry, but this is completely unnecessary and contradictory, and it just screams, "NWO Agenda!"
 Quoting: Wylfdane


It is impossible for me to judge whether a Christian chaplain would be able to help an atheist. Probably they could, but that does not mean that an atheist would not benefit from someone who shared their (lack of) beliefs. There is certainly enough mental illness in soldiers returning from war that adding in a counselor/representative who doesn't understand their position could make things worse.

A chaplain holds a rank a therapist doesn't, which can help when navigating military bureaucracy. I'm certain it screams "NWO Agenda!" to you, but I am willing to bet a change in the design of flour sifters would do the same (they're square now.)

A person who would give their life for their country deserves a representative equal to representation (because chaplain often defaults to representative) whether they are Christian, Jew, Sihk, Muslim, other, or none.
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Tuna did I ever say I deny them? No, I would not deny them the right to speak to anyone. They could worship the moon for all I care. If they want to speak to a counselor, by all means, speak to one. But call it what it is.
Never be in a hurry; do everything quietly and in a calm spirit. Do not lose your inner peace for anything whatsoever, even if your whole world seems upset. ~Saint Francis de Sales

To keep the body in good health is a duty... otherwise we shall not be able to keep our mind strong and clear. ~Buddha
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Would a christian chaplain be incapable of helping an atheist, because their beliefs are different? Would a therapist be incapable of helping an atheist, simply because he doesn't call himself a chaplain? I'm sorry, but this is completely unnecessary and contradictory, and it just screams, "NWO Agenda!"
 Quoting: Wylfdane


It is impossible for me to judge whether a Christian chaplain would be able to help an atheist. Probably they could, but that does not mean that an atheist would not benefit from someone who shared their (lack of) beliefs. There is certainly enough mental illness in soldiers returning from war that adding in a counselor/representative who doesn't understand their position could make things worse.

A chaplain holds a rank a therapist doesn't, which can help when navigating military bureaucracy. I'm certain it screams "NWO Agenda!" to you, but I am willing to bet a change in the design of flour sifters would do the same (they're square now.)

A person who would give their life for their country deserves a representative equal to representation (because chaplain often defaults to representative) whether they are Christian, Jew, Sihk, Muslim, other, or none.
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


While I still think it unnecessary, you do bring up a good point.

That's all for me tonight, folks. Thank you for your comments. It's something to sleep on, for sure.

peace
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Why not atheist chaplains?
It is a religion after all.
You should hear them preach! Seriously.
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There are no atheist in the trenches !
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Atheist Chaplains?

And yet another governmental oxymoron, like military intelligence.
It won't necessarily be the strongest who survive, nor the most intelligent.
It will be the one most capable of adapting to the rapidly changing environment.
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Did the Russians under Stalin need a God to win World War II?

There's your answer... You don't need a God to be a soldier.
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I guess they'll be preaching socialism, solidarity, and everything else on Obama's agenda.

I normally respect our men and women in Uniform, but I'll be the first to laugh in the face of anyone that dons the uniform insignia of an Atheist Priest.
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What does the atheist insignia look like?
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What does the atheist insignia look like?
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