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Lawmakers want "Atheist Chaplains" in the military

 
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An atheist chaplan? What god do they believe in? Just get these people a shrink.
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Tuna did I ever say I deny them? No, I would not deny them the right to speak to anyone. They could worship the moon for all I care. If they want to speak to a counselor, by all means, speak to one. But call it what it is.
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They don't worship the moon, they don't worship anything. You're thinking of Wiccans, and I'm pretty sure there are already Wiccan chaplains.

Once again, chaplain is a rank, with certain privileges in the military structure. If you wish Troops and their families to be treated equally (and I believe they should) it is a logical step to either have atheist chaplains or to allow counselors to become ranked in a seperate but equal role. You cannot have it both ways.
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What does the atheist insignia look like?
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I needed my chaplain. Without my chaplain I would have probably killed myself. I was in a horrible place when we were there. I hated myself for looking away for half a minute. I hated myself for calling the police. I hated myself for wanting to hurt another human being. I just plain hated myself.

My chaplain helped me in more ways than he will ever know. God bless that man.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Tuna did I ever say I deny them? No, I would not deny them the right to speak to anyone. They could worship the moon for all I care. If they want to speak to a counselor, by all means, speak to one. But call it what it is.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


They don't worship the moon, they don't worship anything. You're thinking of Wiccans, and I'm pretty sure there are already Wiccan chaplains.

Once again, chaplain is a rank, with certain privileges in the military structure. If you wish Troops and their families to be treated equally (and I believe they should) it is a logical step to either have atheist chaplains or to allow counselors to become ranked in a seperate but equal role. You cannot have it both ways.
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


AS I said in my karma post to you, but forgot to put my name on, I agree with you, I just dont think they should be named chaplains is all. It can have a different name, outreach officer, counselor, cognitive friend, whatever they want to call it. I personally think calling this position an Atheist Chaplain will backfire.
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So having a chaplain was a benefit to you, and you would deny (and deride) the same thing to another person who has a different set of beliefs than you?

If it was an atheist person in the same situation, would you really say it was inappropriate for them to seek counsel with an atheist chaplain?
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Tuna did I ever say I deny them? No, I would not deny them the right to speak to anyone. They could worship the moon for all I care. If they want to speak to a counselor, by all means, speak to one. But call it what it is.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


They don't worship the moon, they don't worship anything. You're thinking of Wiccans, and I'm pretty sure there are already Wiccan chaplains.

Once again, chaplain is a rank, with certain privileges in the military structure. If you wish Troops and their families to be treated equally (and I believe they should) it is a logical step to either have atheist chaplains or to allow counselors to become ranked in a seperate but equal role. You cannot have it both ways.
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


AS I said in my karma post to you, but forgot to put my name on, I agree with you, I just dont think they should be named chaplains is all. It can have a different name, outreach officer, counselor, cognitive friend, whatever they want to call it. I personally think calling this position an Atheist Chaplain will backfire.
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Well that's the military for you though. I'm sure they'd be glad to file the paperwork somewhere in 2016.
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the original meaning of chaplain is the custodian of a sanctuary...
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Tuna did I ever say I deny them? No, I would not deny them the right to speak to anyone. They could worship the moon for all I care. If they want to speak to a counselor, by all means, speak to one. But call it what it is.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


They don't worship the moon, they don't worship anything. You're thinking of Wiccans, and I'm pretty sure there are already Wiccan chaplains.

Once again, chaplain is a rank, with certain privileges in the military structure. If you wish Troops and their families to be treated equally (and I believe they should) it is a logical step to either have atheist chaplains or to allow counselors to become ranked in a seperate but equal role. You cannot have it both ways.
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


AS I said in my karma post to you, but forgot to put my name on, I agree with you, I just dont think they should be named chaplains is all. It can have a different name, outreach officer, counselor, cognitive friend, whatever they want to call it. I personally think calling this position an Atheist Chaplain will backfire.
 Quoting: Brandywine84


Well that's the military for you though. I'm sure they'd be glad to file the paperwork somewhere in 2016.
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Too true.
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Nothing beats a selection of targets.
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[link to thehill.com]

House kills Dem proposal allowing nonreligious military chaplains

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What does the atheist insignia look like?
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[link to s-ak.buzzfed.com]
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I have seen that symbol on a veteran's gravestone before thought it meant they worked at the Atomic Energy Commission.


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Bit of an oxymoron isn't it?
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Better than a holy war.
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They thought about having Military Philosophers, but then they realized that might be a bad idea for their power structure.

Then they decided to just go ahead and make FedGov Sponsored Atheist Social Workers.

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[link to www.atheistchaplain.com]

His quote of the day: “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
–Thomas Jefferson

It doesn't sound like Jefferson is ruling out the existence of God in that quote. Is he?

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[link to www.atheistchaplain.com]

Their quote of the day: “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
–Thomas Jefferson

It doesn't sound like Jefferson is ruling out the existence of God in that quote. Is he?
 Quoting: RantProne


To put it in this board's terms, he's saying "Don't be a sheeple."
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“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
–Thomas Jefferson
 Quoting: RantProne


Interpretation: If god exists (by religion) it is by fear and not reason.

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[link to www.atheistchaplain.com]

Their quote of the day: “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
–Thomas Jefferson

It doesn't sound like Jefferson is ruling out the existence of God in that quote. Is he?
 Quoting: RantProne


To put it in this board's terms, he's saying "Don't be a sheeple."
 Quoting: TunafishSammiches


Old blog page, and one man's opinion. I'll have to do better. I'm getting lazy.
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— George Brock Chisholm, in a Speech given at the Conference on Education, Asilomar, California, September 11, 1954
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"We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all the people and to lift us up out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man, and whether he be God or devil, we will receive him."
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“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
–Thomas Jefferson
 Quoting: RantProne


Interpretation: If god exists it is by fear and not reason.
 Quoting: pool


Or: If God exists, He wants you to ask questions and think for yourself, rather than to blindly accept the fear that ignorance brings.
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“To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.”
— George Brock Chisholm, in a Speech given at the Conference on Education, Asilomar, California, September 11, 1954
---
"We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all the people and to lift us up out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man, and whether he be God or devil, we will receive him."
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What does the atheist insignia look like?
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It looks just like


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Bit of an oxymoron isn't it?
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Bit of an oxymoron isn't it?
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That was my first thought
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Thought the same but I wasn't sure how to spell it..

oxymoron or oxymoran
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What does the atheist insignia look like?
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It looks just like


This

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It's called a therapist. They just want to avoid that word because it carries a stigma with some people. Atheists are always saying how religion is for stupid people, yet they always find a way to hijack and distort our traditions when its convenient. Most atheists celebrate Christmas even. Just the materialistic part of course. Oh, but its just an excuse to get together with family and friends! When you eliminate spirituality, you're left with materialism and science. Science, of course, is not necessarily bad, but it can't take the place of religion, no matter how hard you try, like by calling therapists chaplains.
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Isn't that what therapists are for?

They should just get rid of all Chaplains. They're becoming increasingly irrelevant in our military.
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I would think anyone in the military defies "Thou shalt not kill" So, what's the point of having any sort of chaplain?
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It's called a therapist. They just want to avoid that word because it carries a stigma with some people. Atheists are always saying how religion is for stupid people, yet they always find a way to hijack and distort our traditions when its convenient. Most atheists celebrate Christmas even. Just the materialistic part of course. Oh, but its just an excuse to get together with family and friends! When you eliminate spirituality, you're left with materialism and science. Science, of course, is not necessarily bad, but it can't take the place of religion, no matter how hard you try, like by calling therapists chaplains.
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THIS!

It's funny that they want Therapists, but since they don't want to look crazy, they want them to be called something that belongs to what they don't believe in.

Yep, that seems sane...
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League of Militant Atheists

going to be a pinko invasion soon to usher in the commieworldorder
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They already have atheist chaplains... they are called hookers. Have them in every port
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They already have atheist chaplains... they are called hookers. Have them in every port
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Atheist Chaplains. Isn't that like a complete oxymoron?
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Atheist Chaplains. Isn't that like a complete oxymoron?
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I think they are just naming it that to make it work.
Men, Real men would not go see a shrink or therapist in the military, it would not happen, but since most are religious and they see their Chaplin's this would ensure the Atheist that need help from a shrink would not feel uncomfortable or outcast.

Its better to name it Chaplin so they can get the help they need, then let them suffer in their own pain in fear of portraying themselves as weak. Maybe its a man thing

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