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Michael Hastings: New Surveillance Video Shows Fiery Crash...

 
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And then there's this.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

I've raced cars and will tell you, a stuck accelerator is a death sentence.
No way to control a speeding out of control car.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


Neutral, always hit neutral, never forget. Don't touch the key, steering wheel will lock. Neutral.
 Quoting: 90Rocky


Good information to have!


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Need a weather report from that location at time of crash.
 Quoting: 90Rocky



Good point. I should clarify, it usually takes a decent gust to make mine shake.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40814244


This is a good question. Hold on I'm looking...


Okay, found a weather report from the 19th:

[link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]
 Quoting: Heavenly Alchemy


Check wunderground for local weather stations too.
 Quoting: 90Rocky


Good idea, thanks.

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Whoops double post...so nice it posted twice.

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Re: Michael Hastings: New Surveillance Video Shows Fiery Crash...
One thing I want to point out.........

His tail lights go out for a second before the first explosion.

I suggest he may have had a short in his fuel tank. Sometimes fuel pumps melt from being old and worn. Fuel cools the pump.

Sometimes, rarely, when the connections work loose from a melting pump (which is rare but does happen) and the fuel tank is on empty stretching the last bit......a short circuit can occur when the 12v + wire touches the - wire. They are only inches apart and submerged in gas or gas vapor.

Or sometimes the ground line connecting the block to the frame can be removed or fails. Leaving a strong ground current to travel through the throttle cable or transmission shift control cable. Both of which can catch fire from the amps running down it. Fire is no good in an engine bay. Especially if there is a leaky fuel pressure regulator.

Or a fuel line bursts.....


Just providing options
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Interesting options to look into. Though this being a brand new car it seems unlikely that the connections would work loose or that he fuel pump would have been old and worn.. I don't know a thing about cars though. Can someone verify these possibilities?


It seems strange that the tail lights would go out just before the first explosion though. What sort of things could cause that?
 Quoting: Heavenly Alchemy


All the volts being diverting to a detonator.
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Re: Michael Hastings: New Surveillance Video Shows Fiery Crash...
And then there's this.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

I've raced cars and will tell you, a stuck accelerator is a death sentence.
No way to control a speeding out of control car.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


But you would surely see the brake lights as the driver stomped the pedal, que no?

See any brake lights in the new Hastings vid?

Serious question. I don't see the rear lights *change* (get brighter or dimmer). Either he had the brake pedal pushed the whole time, or it was never pushed at all.
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I'm thinking that the video is shaky because it is being filmed from a camera or phone off of a screen or monitor.


 Quoting: Mr. Shatner


After watching the footage again, I think you are right about that.
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You can see the edge of the tv screen or monitor being filmed.
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And then there's this.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

I've raced cars and will tell you, a stuck accelerator is a death sentence.
No way to control a speeding out of control car.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


But you would surely see the brake lights as the driver stomped the pedal, que no?

See any brake lights in the new Hastings vid?

Serious question. I don't see the rear lights *change* (get brighter or dimmer). Either he had the brake pedal pushed the whole time, or it was never pushed at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40814244


The first thing I noticed was that the TAIL END of his car was lit up light a Christmas tree as he sped past the camera. Watch. Stop at :14 sec - :15sec.

wtf
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Wow...

My guess = Roughly 130mph..
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Fastest I've gone was 132mph on a Kawasaki Z1000 Motor Cycle.

That Benz was haulin...
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Hmm perhaps bombs were planted in and under the car and it was taken over hacked etc. I wonder if Hastings was the one that was going to come out on the Glen Beck show. Glen Beck came out saying that some guy knew enough to be terrified for his life and that he would only speak about it in front of a full congressional hearing. Then the crash and Beck fizzled out. Beck said he had something or someone coming forward that would absolutely destroy the current power structure.
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My AV does not like that site says contains a known security threat and has been blocked!
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Remotely hacked

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And then there's this.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

I've raced cars and will tell you, a stuck accelerator is a death sentence.
No way to control a speeding out of control car.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


But you would surely see the brake lights as the driver stomped the pedal, que no?

See any brake lights in the new Hastings vid?

Serious question. I don't see the rear lights *change* (get brighter or dimmer). Either he had the brake pedal pushed the whole time, or it was never pushed at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40814244


Disable drive by wire sensor for brake pedal..simple
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Re: Michael Hastings: New Surveillance Video Shows Fiery Crash...
If the car was hacked, it could have increased fuel to the injectors, maybe dumping tons in? It could have accelerated the car as fast as it could go and locked the steering down.

Of course the car exploded to hell and back and the body got cremated so really what does anyone have accept for video evidence, testimonies about his driving style (but even if he WAS a speed demon, NO ONE is a speed demon like that just for the heck of it on a road like that unless they want to kill themselves!)

And then the other thing we have is how same type cars routinely behave in crashes and safety test records for cars like that in head on collisions.

He was sabotaged. I can't look at that and see anything else.
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I don't have the heart to watch it. Does it look like a drone could have done it? Also so easy to take over the car through hacking - he may not have had any control over the car at all.
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I wonder if someone can estimate his rate of travel from this?
 Quoting: Heavenly Alchemy


DAMN NEAR A HUNDRED...AND HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY SAID HE DROVE LIKE AN OLD LADY
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What are the odds that a car accident this unusual would happen to someone? Kind of low I'd guess.
What are the odds that a car accident like this would happen to Michael Hastings? About zero.
It's easy to believe that it was not an accident.

"the explosion was so intense that it took the LA County assistant corner, Ed Winter, two days to identify the burned-beyond recognition body of Hastings. Officials confirm that an autopsy has been performed, but the cause of death is pending. LAPD media spokesperson Lieutenant Andrew Neiman said, “it will take several weeks to get the toxicology results.” By stark contrast, in Italy, ‘Sopranos’ star James Gandolfini’s family received the toxicology report within a few days."

and

"Another significant detail pointed out by some members of law enforcement, is the intensity of the fire inside the car. It’s highly unusual since gasoline generally doesn’t burn that hot. Reviewing video footage from the scene, the intensity of the fire resembles a “thermite” burn.

No matter how you slice this highly suspicious car accident, a Mercedes is not going to explode into flames without assistance. Car aficionados say fires in new cars happen for three main reasons, “running the engine out of oil, running the engine out of coolant, or a mammoth car mangling accident, that leaves the hot side of the battery to short out against the frame before it reaches the fuse panel.”
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I wonder if someone can estimate his rate of travel from this?
 Quoting: Heavenly Alchemy


It's difficult to estimate speed because the camera lens appears to be wide-angle, making the car appear to be traveling faster than it actually was. Maybe someone can pick out landmarks, determine their distances on Google Earth, measure how long it took for Hastings' car to travel between them and calculate speed.
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For a guy who his family claimed drove like a grandma this is very suspicious. That was at least 120mph easy. Something isnt right here. Plus notice the small fire then a huge explosion. Gas tanks don't explode people. They are designed and crash test so that doesn't happen.
 Quoting: Whole lee shit


no whats odd is the rate of speed the officer was going until he seen the flames "oh shit", then all the emergency vehicles on s scene at 4; minutes after red light. Whats that 1 min after crash.

really.


yeah, I aint seen nutin.
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What happens when you get in too deep.

They want this to be an example, and a kind of veiled threat to all investigative journalists out there. If you become that kind of threat to them you can be eliminated.
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If the car was hacked, it could have increased fuel to the injectors, maybe dumping tons in? It could have accelerated the car as fast as it could go and locked the steering down.

Of course the car exploded to hell and back and the body got cremated so really what does anyone have accept for video evidence, testimonies about his driving style (but even if he WAS a speed demon, NO ONE is a speed demon like that just for the heck of it on a road like that unless they want to kill themselves!)

And then the other thing we have is how same type cars routinely behave in crashes and safety test records for cars like that in head on collisions.

He was sabotaged. I can't look at that and see anything else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39209114


It can be done, and leave no trace, nothing to blame but driver error, or drunk driving... I've seen it happen to more than one person who got in too deep and became a threat.
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Hastings' family has told Rolling Stone that they do not believe he was assassinated. "I don't believe it's a conspiracy," his brother Jeff Hastings said. "There's no part of me that's troubled by that."



They're scared. They can't honestly believe there was no foul play in this tragic murder.
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Here is something none of you have mentioned.

Before you even see the car in the video the front of the restaurant is lit by the cars headlights momentarily which means the car was pointed at the restaurant at that moment.

He had already "lost" it at that point. As the car comes past the restaurant it is almost straight and starting to slew to the left. Looks like he was on the brakes at that point.

If you hit a tree at 90mph+ the rupturing of the gas tank and the possibility of shorted wires from crash damage can most certainly cause an explosion and fire.

There was no bomb, no drone missile.

I do not see that the resulting damage or fire is out of line with the speed of the crash considering a tree was hit.
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And then there's this.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

I've raced cars and will tell you, a stuck accelerator is a death sentence.
No way to control a speeding out of control car.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


But you would surely see the brake lights as the driver stomped the pedal, que no?

See any brake lights in the new Hastings vid?

Serious question. I don't see the rear lights *change* (get brighter or dimmer). Either he had the brake pedal pushed the whole time, or it was never pushed at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40814244


The first thing I noticed was that the TAIL END of his car was lit up light a Christmas tree as he sped past the camera. Watch. Stop at :14 sec - :15sec.

wtf
 Quoting: duFontaine.


It does look like the braking lamps are illuminated...
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Here is something none of you have mentioned.

Before you even see the car in the video the front of the restaurant is lit by the cars headlights momentarily which means the car was pointed at the restaurant at that moment.

He had already "lost" it at that point. As the car comes past the restaurant it is almost straight and starting to slew to the left. Looks like he was on the brakes at that point.

If you hit a tree at 90mph+ the rupturing of the gas tank and the possibility of shorted wires from crash damage can most certainly cause an explosion and fire.

There was no bomb, no drone missile.

I do not see that the resulting damage or fire is out of line with the speed of the crash considering a tree was hit.
 Quoting: G. House


Please find a another similar Mercedes Benz with a ruptured gas tank. And engine separated from chassis.
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Here is something none of you have mentioned.

Before you even see the car in the video the front of the restaurant is lit by the cars headlights momentarily which means the car was pointed at the restaurant at that moment.

He had already "lost" it at that point. As the car comes past the restaurant it is almost straight and starting to slew to the left. Looks like he was on the brakes at that point.

If you hit a tree at 90mph+ the rupturing of the gas tank and the possibility of shorted wires from crash damage can most certainly cause an explosion and fire.

There was no bomb, no drone missile.

I do not see that the resulting damage or fire is out of line with the speed of the crash considering a tree was hit.
 Quoting: G. House


Please find a another similar Mercedes Benz with a ruptured gas tank. And engine separated from chassis.
 Quoting: 90Rocky



Why not let Merc have a look? I realize the days of over-engineered Mercedes is gone, but they still spend shitloads on R&D and engineering. Ain't much about the car they don't know.
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And then there's this.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

I've raced cars and will tell you, a stuck accelerator is a death sentence.
No way to control a speeding out of control car.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


But you would surely see the brake lights as the driver stomped the pedal, que no?

See any brake lights in the new Hastings vid?

Serious question. I don't see the rear lights *change* (get brighter or dimmer). Either he had the brake pedal pushed the whole time, or it was never pushed at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40814244


The first thing I noticed was that the TAIL END of his car was lit up light a Christmas tree as he sped past the camera. Watch. Stop at :14 sec - :15sec.

wtf
 Quoting: duFontaine.


It does look like the braking lamps are illuminated...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42606465


If the throttle is frozen at 100% the transmission stuck in top gear, and the ABS forced into "slip mode" you can put both feet on the break peddle and it will not slow the vehicle at all... There really is only one way this can end...
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Here is something none of you have mentioned.

Before you even see the car in the video the front of the restaurant is lit by the cars headlights momentarily which means the car was pointed at the restaurant at that moment.

He had already "lost" it at that point. As the car comes past the restaurant it is almost straight and starting to slew to the left. Looks like he was on the brakes at that point.

If you hit a tree at 90mph+ the rupturing of the gas tank and the possibility of shorted wires from crash damage can most certainly cause an explosion and fire.

There was no bomb, no drone missile.

I do not see that the resulting damage or fire is out of line with the speed of the crash considering a tree was hit.
 Quoting: G. House


Please find a another similar Mercedes Benz with a ruptured gas tank. And engine separated from chassis.
 Quoting: 90Rocky



Why not let Merc have a look? I realize the days of over-engineered Mercedes is gone, but they still spend shitloads on R&D and engineering. Ain't much about the car they don't know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40814244


They blew the car up to eliminate the evidence of hacking. Had it just been hacked Mercedes would likely not be happy about it.
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i have watched it frame by frame and full speed several times. It looked like the road was illuminated (like a spot light) just ahead of him... perhaps he was outrunning the spotlight
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But you would surely see the brake lights as the driver stomped the pedal, que no?

See any brake lights in the new Hastings vid?

Serious question. I don't see the rear lights *change* (get brighter or dimmer). Either he had the brake pedal pushed the whole time, or it was never pushed at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40814244


The first thing I noticed was that the TAIL END of his car was lit up light a Christmas tree as he sped past the camera. Watch. Stop at :14 sec - :15sec.

wtf
 Quoting: duFontaine.


It does look like the braking lamps are illuminated...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42606465


If the throttle is frozen at 100% the transmission stuck in top gear, and the ABS forced into "slip mode" you can put both feet on the break peddle and it will not slow the vehicle at all... There really is only one way this can end...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42377856


yeahsure

There's no way he can be stomping the brakes and doing 100+, and yet the video shows both.
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Ok, heard of Copart? One of the places wrecked and totalled cars go.


Out of 273 Mercedes 2009-2013 , 2 are burnt up.


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