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Arkansas rainfall radioactive 1210 Cpm

 
Cav427
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BTW, mR/hr mSv/hr are gamma and X-ray photons only, CPM is a gross count, alpha, beta and gamma - Learn the measurements, you will be less confused.
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I sit drinking from my fiestaware cup, and ponder what you have written.

"1 cpm can cause cancer" - hell an oxygen atom will spontaneously change to a gold atom every 14 billion years!

Hate to tell you that every square millimeter of your body is hit by over 100,000 sub atomic particles (alpha, beta, neutrinos, muons, positrons, etc. and gamma and x-ray photons every second of every day! According to you we should be a mass of cancerous and festering cells!


ALARA vs Hormesis - Hormesis is winning out! No health physicist or Doctor would ever say that large doses of radiation are good for you, however it is the dose that makes the poison.

Moderate doses of UV stimulates production of Vitamin D - a good thing, large doses, leathery skin and possibly skin cancer.

Small Doses of Vitamin A, healthy eyes and body, large doses, death!

Small doses of Vitamin K, your blood clots normally. Large doses, embolisms and death.

Small doses of Iron, healthy oxygenation of the blood and body, heavy doses heart attacks or death.

BTW, I nor any health physicist would say that mR/hr vs cpm is bad or worse, they are different measurements! BTW, all unstable elements and isotopes are gamma emitters, even Po 210, it is just a rare event.

Just because you can detect it, does not make it dangerous.

However, if the count the gentleman is getting is from Cesium, it is not good at all, if it is from Radon, there is not a damn thing you can do about it. Mother nature, causing cancer in primates for over 5 million years.

BTW, WTF is a "Radon Shill?" Do they get paid well? If it pays well how can I get a gig doing that?nuke
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Great attempt at distraction. However, hopeless. Radon can for sure be reduced with proper ventilation. Parents can for sure keep children out of radioactive washouts just by keeping children indoors. Again, nobody is saying dangerous, just unhealthy. Nobody has confirmed radon in rain as the source. The area reported is not an area where high levels of radon are getting measured. Even if one report did, it would be meaningless on the next rainfall. A chemical test would need to be ongoing to have any meaning, and the results would not make much difference. Exposure precautions are still the same. Stay indoors during rainfall to reduce the likelihood of health concerns that could be possible with radioactive inhalation. I don't think you are likely to inhale your radioactive dishware, but I suggest you try.
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Link has moved - this one works.

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08/03/2013 09:13 PM
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ROTFLMAO Rubber gloves! Good Grief.

BTW, I have never suggested bodily harm or for you to injure yourself.

If you do not agree with me fine, present a good argument with a scientific basis.

BTW, there is radium contamination in aluminum. WW II aircraft where melted and recycled, with radium dialed instruments still in the aircraft. I am not atributing it to the high count, but for those afraid of 1 cpm watch out for lethal aluminum foil and cans.rockonskull_fing
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08/03/2013 11:42 PM
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Also, very silly to cover beta emitters with low Z metals, beta particles hit the aluminum muclie, and x-ray fluorescense occurs, yes, the count is lower, however he is being hit by more energetic X-rays!

Bottom learn before you burn!

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so the tinfoil is radioactive and will trigger an inspector geiger..right....oh ok..got ya...(bs)poop

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wow what was I thinking...Oh yes, I remember now..the tinfoil made zero difference. If you watch at the end the meter is over 1000cpm. So both covered and uncovered its still over 1000cpm. No real change.

wall dumbass shills. They mislead and distract and avoid the obvious...when that fails, they attack the person that reports it. Do they have a special school for shill tards like you?
The point here is stay out of the rain to avoid health issues.
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Also, very silly to cover beta emitters with low Z metals, beta particles hit the aluminum muclie, and x-ray fluorescense occurs, yes, the count is lower, however he is being hit by more energetic X-rays!

Bottom learn before you burn!

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If you are talking about Compton scattering, yes that is true but it reflects at angles. It did not change by any noticeable amount if you watch the video. At the end it is over 1000 and if it had been left on the foil it would have hit the same number or close more than likely. I guess he should made a video showing wood, paper, and other stuff so you can avoid the topic of contamination altogether and get peoples minds off the fact the shit is in there in the first place right?
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Bremstrahlung - ie Xray Fluorescense Compton scattering is entirely different.

The Inspector does not distiguish between alpha, beta gamma and X-ray, the only way to distinguish is with a set of blockers, paper for alphas (al foil does not work, nor does gold foil), and a thicker aluminum, steel or brass plate for betas, thin aluminum fluoresces.

Again called a shill, and again all I have ever said is test by gamma spectrometry for the true radiation source. If Cesium Isotopes, man made, if radon, natural phenomenon (my feelings it is probably that). Here's one for the anonymous coward that is a know it all - how about H3, or Tritium. It is not uncommon for nuclear reactors to vent tritium (not always announced). H3 has an affinity for water. Get gamma spectrometry done, you can prove without a doubt that it is not natural phenomenon. And for the clown that keeps criticizing me, get an education. Owning a gm counter and listening to that nutcase Helen Caldicott does not make you right, it makes you stupid. Radon is very prevalent in some parts of Arkansas (the epa map is an average). Knowing a little history, geology and mineralogy helps too. There are some significant uranium and radiobarite deposits in Arkansas.

Two hunters ran across radiobarite in the early 1900's and had lifetime health problems as a result.

Also, "duh" venting your home does help to remediate radon.

For those that think that radiation is the big bad boogeyman, you need to google "Ramsar, Iran" 8 REM per year (thousands of cpm every minute of the year) and epidemiologically no higher incidents of cancer. BTW, get 8 REM in a X-ray gig or NPP, you cannot work for another year.
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BTW, Compton scattering deals with X-Rays only. You need to learn the physics, then you could present your argument much better, also How much does a shill get paid, and where can I get a job doing it?
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Bremstrahlung - ie Xray Fluorescense Compton scattering is entirely different.

The Inspector does not distiguish between alpha, beta gamma and X-ray, the only way to distinguish is with a set of blockers, paper for alphas (al foil does not work, nor does gold foil), and a thicker aluminum, steel or brass plate for betas, thin aluminum fluoresces.

Again called a shill, and again all I have ever said is test by gamma spectrometry for the true radiation source. If Cesium Isotopes, man made, if radon, natural phenomenon (my feelings it is probably that). Here's one for the anonymous coward that is a know it all - how about H3, or Tritium. It is not uncommon for nuclear reactors to vent tritium (not always announced). H3 has an affinity for water. Get gamma spectrometry done, you can prove without a doubt that it is not natural phenomenon. And for the clown that keeps criticizing me, get an education. Owning a gm counter and listening to that nutcase Helen Caldicott does not make you right, it makes you stupid. Radon is very prevalent in some parts of Arkansas (the epa map is an average). Knowing a little history, geology and mineralogy helps too. There are some significant uranium and radiobarite deposits in Arkansas.

Two hunters ran across radiobarite in the early 1900's and had lifetime health problems as a result.

Also, "duh" venting your home does help to remediate radon.

For those that think that radiation is the big bad boogeyman, you need to google "Ramsar, Iran" 8 REM per year (thousands of cpm every minute of the year) and epidemiologically no higher incidents of cancer. BTW, get 8 REM in a X-ray gig or NPP, you cannot work for another year.
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Attention radon shill tard..This has not be identified as any element. Venting does most certainly help reduce radon. I used to work for a company that installed vents under homes and in basements with high radon. I worked directly in it. It makes the throat sore. Gives you a cold and can turn into the flu very easily. The goal here is to show contamination (radiation is only a marker for contamination) ..is present and a possible health risk. People with health concerns should avoid it. No danger from radiation, but a health risk that is possibly chemical in nature. (As indicated by the radiation marker ) The area where testing is ongoing is not a high radon area. People do not need endless exposure measurement or arguments about some math equations and behavior of isotopes. All they really need to know is that the rain does in fact, consistently with many months of posted testing, contain ionizing radiation that poses health risks. Its just that simple. The maker of the video states very clearly on the fb page that he is not identifying the contamination,and is not interested in doing, so because it is meaningless as each rainfall can change contamination. Reducing exposure is the best way to avoid it..stay out of it to avoid health risks. No need to confuse the issue. But thanks for keeping the thread active.
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08/04/2013 01:49 AM
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Who is Helen Caldicott? I studied at Berkeley.
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Your head is up your a$$, I agreed with you that venting reduces radon in the home - also Berkeley's liberal arts program must suck, because you cannot read and understand my posts.

Now you have added "tard" to shill (good thing you are sympathetic to parents who have mentally challenged children that may be on this forum), stepping up the insults when I have suggested the following regarding the video:

1) IMHO it is Radon

2) Get a valid test in a lab to determine the source of the radiation. If it is a natural phenomenon, there is nothing that can be done, if it is man made, then there is a Problem

3) IMHO, I do not feel that radiation is a major problem or a major contributor to cancer

4) I went the extra yard to suggest another possible man made radiation source (H3) that suggests a PROBLEM.

5) You stepped in and have called me a radon shill now a radon shill tard, simply for stating MY OPINION regarding radiation exposure.

There are many YouTube Videos out there, and NOT ONCE have I detected radioactivity in rainwater using equipment MUCH BETTER than the Inspector. However I still am assuming that the phenomenon exists.

Helen Caldicott is a nutcase who waves around a geiger counter claiming every stray click is depleted uranium.

Maybe if you would READ before you post you may learn something. Thread over.abomb
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08/04/2013 02:43 AM
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You are correct I did misread your comment about venting radon. My bad. I need new glasses. Sorry if I upset you, but I get tired of someone stating that they are sure it is radon when the point is, something is contaminating the rain. Radiation is a marker, not the risk itself. I personally suspect a rapid decaying isotope of barium could be the elephant in the room, based on another persons lab test. Do I know this for a fact? NO..Do we need to lab test each rainfall that shows high levels like shown in the video? I think so, but it cannot be stopped at any point just because the contamination was one certain type of chemical or element on repeated testing. It can change at any time. Precautionary measures really won't change,so maybe it's a waste of money. We know it's in there. Who will perform those tests? A government agency? Lets get real, if you read this forum, you know that they could not tell us the truth. We know for certain there are several radiation leaks in progress right here in America and it is going to spread at some point. Japan is burning waste and the situation is worse now than 2 years ago based on reports. It's pollution. People need to know there are health risks when long exposures to rain are possible for children and adults with health concerns. Testing it and showing levels makes since. Test it later, but if it's showing high, avoid it. Knowing the cause is irrelevant to the reactions one can take to prevent health risks, considering it cannot be stopped as far as we know.cool2
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Levels have past 1400 CPM now in recent rainfall.
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