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Radiohead Linguistics Class

 
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The ego is what allows one to know when one is CORRECT. To know that one's viewpoints are as valid as any other's. You are the victim here. I never said you were wrong. I believe we are BOTH right in our respective views. You cannot win this fight.
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I can only teach by showing you the example

Do you wish to participate in this exercise?

There is indeed a huge difference between you and the ego you

The ego you is the one attempting now to call a draw and say that we are both right to avoid having the real you accept my offer.
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The mere fact that you are arguing semantics is enough to show me that you do not understand what I am attempting to communicate. And by the way, we don't need your 'universal consciousness.' We're fighting to free ourselves from it.
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You do not see that you are the one stuck in a universal consciousness trap

I am the furthest from it.......I AM what you speak about but are afraid to actually be
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I fear nothing. This is why I keep coming back. You accuse me only of what you yourself are guilty of. Remember: you found MY thread. You have become convinced that you know something I do not know. What I know is that there are infinite paths to infinite realities. You seem to think there is only one way. That cannot be farther from the truth. So who is the one who is afraid, my friend? And that's "ego" with a lower case 'e.'

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I can only teach by showing you the example

Do you wish to participate in this exercise?

There is indeed a huge difference between you and the ego you

The ego you is the one attempting now to call a draw and say that we are both right to avoid having the real you accept my offer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42392596


The mere fact that you are arguing semantics is enough to show me that you do not understand what I am attempting to communicate. And by the way, we don't need your 'universal consciousness.' We're fighting to free ourselves from it.
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You do not see that you are the one stuck in a universal consciousness trap

I am the furthest from it.......I AM what you speak about but are afraid to actually be
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I fear nothing. This is why I keep coming back. You accuse me only of what you yourself are guilty of. Remember: you found MY thread. You have become convinced that you know something I do not know. What I know is that there are infinite paths to infinite realities. You seem to think there is only one way. That cannot be farther from the truth. So who is the one who is afraid, my friend? And that's "ego" with a lower case 'e.'
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Talk much you do but do you do not

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Getting back to the point of this thread...

3. Never let someone tell you you're "wrong." In an infinite universe there can only be "right." Everything is true in its own way. Anyone who tells you that they are the true master of the path is either lying to you or EXTREMELY small-minded. Even in the case of this thread...these ideas are meant to help one reach an understanding that everything can be everything, not to tell one that they are the only ways to an understanding.

More likely: If someone attempts to tell you that you are wrong it is because they are extremely afraid that something which happened to them is going to happen to you. This is actually a way of looking out for someone. But it is based on the assumption that everyone is going to make the same mistakes, which is a rather ridiculous notion. If people need help THEY WILL ASK FOR IT.
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Getting back to the point of this thread...

3. Never let someone tell you you're "wrong." In an infinite universe there can only be "right." Everything is true in its own way. Anyone who tells you that they are the true master of the path is either lying to you or EXTREMELY small-minded. Even in the case of this thread...these ideas are meant to help one reach an understanding that everything can be everything, not to tell one that they are the only ways to an understanding.

More likely: If someone attempts to tell you that you are wrong it is because they are extremely afraid that something which happened to them is going to happen to you. This is actually a way of looking out for someone. But it is based on the assumption that everyone is going to make the same mistakes, which is a rather ridiculous notion. If people need help THEY WILL ASK FOR IT.
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Then why did you even start the thread?

I saw no one ask

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Getting back to the point of this thread...

3. Never let someone tell you you're "wrong." In an infinite universe there can only be "right." Everything is true in its own way. Anyone who tells you that they are the true master of the path is either lying to you or EXTREMELY small-minded. Even in the case of this thread...these ideas are meant to help one reach an understanding that everything can be everything, not to tell one that they are the only ways to an understanding.

More likely: If someone attempts to tell you that you are wrong it is because they are extremely afraid that something which happened to them is going to happen to you. This is actually a way of looking out for someone. But it is based on the assumption that everyone is going to make the same mistakes, which is a rather ridiculous notion. If people need help THEY WILL ASK FOR IT.
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Then why did you even start the thread?

I saw no one ask

*bow*
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Our friend from the UK and I decided it would be a good idea. This person was looking for some answers. So I attempted to give him some.

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You are a lot of fun :) And a fast reader.
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This is a thread created with the sole purpose of teaching people how to connect oneself to the everything, NOT BE DRIVEN MAD BY IT, and also maintain one's identity, effectively freeing oneself from mental slavery. This is a HARD PATH but it is possible and ANYONE is capable of doing these things.

1. ERASE GUILT - It is NOT your fault that life is fucked up. Don't let anyone tell you that life ISN'T fucked up because it is! Does anyone honestly believe that the universe SHOULD be this excruciating, unfair, and hard on people who are already alone and sad? Too many people are attacked by others who will tell you things like, "Everyone's life is hard. You think you're special?" People who say these things are slaves themselves and have no idea what is driving them. Realize that this fucked up situation has NOTHING to do with anything you are responsible for. That is the first step.
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Contradicting yourself at every turn you are

That is one example of the ego which also will tell you that you are not contradictory
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This is a thread created with the sole purpose of teaching people how to connect oneself to the everything, NOT BE DRIVEN MAD BY IT, and also maintain one's identity, effectively freeing oneself from mental slavery. This is a HARD PATH but it is possible and ANYONE is capable of doing these things.

1. ERASE GUILT - It is NOT your fault that life is fucked up. Don't let anyone tell you that life ISN'T fucked up because it is! Does anyone honestly believe that the universe SHOULD be this excruciating, unfair, and hard on people who are already alone and sad? Too many people are attacked by others who will tell you things like, "Everyone's life is hard. You think you're special?" People who say these things are slaves themselves and have no idea what is driving them. Realize that this fucked up situation has NOTHING to do with anything you are responsible for. That is the first step.
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Contradicting yourself at every turn you are

That is one example of the ego which also will tell you that you are not contradictory
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If I have contradicted myself, point the contradiction out. You are making critiques but have never offered an alternative. This is the sign of someone who is on the offensive for no good reason.
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In the infinite reaches of "everything," there can be no contradictions. Only various interpretations of the truth. I'll be back, sparring partner. Gotta take care of some work related issues.

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The ego is where fear originates

You are mistaken friend
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The ego is what allows one to know when one is CORRECT. To know that one's viewpoints are as valid as any other's. You are the victim here. I never said you were wrong. I believe we are BOTH right in our respective views. You cannot win this fight.
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


I can only teach by showing you the example

Do you wish to participate in this exercise?

There is indeed a huge difference between you and the ego you

The ego you is the one attempting now to call a draw and say that we are both right to avoid having the real you accept my offer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42392596


The mere fact that you are arguing semantics is enough to show me that you do not understand what I am attempting to communicate. And by the way, we don't need your 'universal consciousness.' We're fighting to free ourselves from it.
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You, a man of logic and reason, do men of expression an injustice by discounting the value of semantics.

You fail to recognize the worth in paths dedicated to clear and concise expressions of truth as opposed to mere understandings of it that cannot be properly expressed.
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The ego is what allows one to know when one is CORRECT. To know that one's viewpoints are as valid as any other's. You are the victim here. I never said you were wrong. I believe we are BOTH right in our respective views. You cannot win this fight.
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


I can only teach by showing you the example

Do you wish to participate in this exercise?

There is indeed a huge difference between you and the ego you

The ego you is the one attempting now to call a draw and say that we are both right to avoid having the real you accept my offer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42392596


The mere fact that you are arguing semantics is enough to show me that you do not understand what I am attempting to communicate. And by the way, we don't need your 'universal consciousness.' We're fighting to free ourselves from it.
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You, a man of logic and reason, do men of expression an injustice by discounting the value of semantics.

You fail to recognize the worth in paths dedicated to clear and concise expressions of truth as opposed to mere understandings of it that cannot be properly expressed.
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Correct he is yes

Quite

Here there are adepts but low profile they keep
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Why can't people just sit back and enjoy a good beer?
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I can only teach by showing you the example

Do you wish to participate in this exercise?

There is indeed a huge difference between you and the ego you

The ego you is the one attempting now to call a draw and say that we are both right to avoid having the real you accept my offer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42392596


The mere fact that you are arguing semantics is enough to show me that you do not understand what I am attempting to communicate. And by the way, we don't need your 'universal consciousness.' We're fighting to free ourselves from it.
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You, a man of logic and reason, do men of expression an injustice by discounting the value of semantics.

You fail to recognize the worth in paths dedicated to clear and concise expressions of truth as opposed to mere understandings of it that cannot be properly expressed.
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Correct he is yes

Quite

Here there are adepts but low profile they keep
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Perhaps they should attempt to erase their FEAR of being found out and reach out a hand to help others who maybe AREN'T AS LUCKY OR ADEPT?
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Why can't people just sit back and enjoy a good beer?
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TRUTH.
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4. I will quote "Arrested Development" here:

"AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T TEACH PEOPLE LESSONS."

Those who have the knowledge should stop fucking with peoples' minds and start trying to actively help them. If you understand what I'm talking about here and you won't quit your little games, YOU ARE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. IT IS NOT FUNNY.
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The mere fact that you are arguing semantics is enough to show me that you do not understand what I am attempting to communicate. And by the way, we don't need your 'universal consciousness.' We're fighting to free ourselves from it.
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You, a man of logic and reason, do men of expression an injustice by discounting the value of semantics.

You fail to recognize the worth in paths dedicated to clear and concise expressions of truth as opposed to mere understandings of it that cannot be properly expressed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1561325

Correct he is yes

Quite

Here there are adepts but low profile they keep
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Perhaps they should attempt to erase their FEAR of being found out and reach out a hand to help others who maybe AREN'T AS LUCKY OR ADEPT?
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fear only exists in the ego

not in the true self

only the ego needs to brag and posture and troll such as you have done since coming here.

Read your own threads with your own eye not your ego eye and see

How can you help another when you can't help yourself?
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4. I will quote "Arrested Development" here:

"AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T TEACH PEOPLE LESSONS."

Those who have the knowledge should stop fucking with peoples' minds and start trying to actively help them. If you understand what I'm talking about here and you won't quit your little games, YOU ARE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. IT IS NOT FUNNY.
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Now anger is also of the ego and not the true self.

I am disappointed as I had hopes you would last long than this in the exercise.

I still hold out hope for your advancement on actually practicing what you preach.

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You, a man of logic and reason, do men of expression an injustice by discounting the value of semantics.

You fail to recognize the worth in paths dedicated to clear and concise expressions of truth as opposed to mere understandings of it that cannot be properly expressed.
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Correct he is yes

Quite

Here there are adepts but low profile they keep
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Perhaps they should attempt to erase their FEAR of being found out and reach out a hand to help others who maybe AREN'T AS LUCKY OR ADEPT?
 Quoting: PKDK (VALIS24/42)


fear only exists in the ego

not in the true self

only the ego needs to brag and posture and troll such as you have done since coming here.

Read your own threads with your own eye not your ego eye and see

How can you help another when you can't help yourself?
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I have a question:

What is your goal? You know that we have already won, yes? So the rest is merely a matter of speeding up the process. So what is it that you are attempting to do here?
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4. I will quote "Arrested Development" here:

"AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T TEACH PEOPLE LESSONS."

Those who have the knowledge should stop fucking with peoples' minds and start trying to actively help them. If you understand what I'm talking about here and you won't quit your little games, YOU ARE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. IT IS NOT FUNNY.
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Now anger is also of the ego and not the true self.

I am disappointed as I had hopes you would last long than this in the exercise.

I still hold out hope for your advancement on actually practicing what you preach.

birthday
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No anger here. Simply attempting to get a point across. Think about all the people out there that you could be helping. And instead you're screwing around with someone like me. Does this make any kind of sense?
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Who have you helped?

There is no "win"

there only is and is not
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Who have you helped?

There is no "win"

there only is and is not
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I have helped many to make sense of an infinitely exhausting and sometimes upsetting universe. And I will continue to do so. Who have YOU helped? And there is no "is not." There is only "is."
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Ha. Double negatives. Say "no" to me and I will tell you "no," which really means "yes."
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My posts were removed.
What for?
Perhaps to keep you in the dark.
Perhaps it was you who deleted them.
Perhaps to keep others in the dark.


If you so desire to be 'the one'.

Then you are not 'the one.'

There is no desire in 'the one'
You just are. Or you are not.



Alas, it is the moment silence.

They will never miss me if I remain.

And my words will produce without me here. And I have helped millions.Which echoed to the millions around them.and those eechoes will reverberate and revetberate.
Fortune favors the wise.

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My posts were removed.
What for?
Perhaps to keep you in the dark.
Perhaps it was you who deleted them.
Perhaps to keep others in the dark.


If you so desire to be 'the one'.

Then you are not 'the one.'

There is no desire in 'the one'
You just are. Or you are not.



Alas, it is the moment silence.

They will never miss me if I remain.

And my words will produce without me here. And I have helped millions.Which echoed to the millions around them.and those eechoes will reverberate and revetberate.
Fortune favors the wise.

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It was not I who deleted your posts, wise one. But the same as been done to me many times. And I remember what you wrote. Those words will stay with me.
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Who have you helped?

There is no "win"

there only is and is not
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I have helped many to make sense of an infinitely exhausting and sometimes upsetting universe. And I will continue to do so. Who have YOU helped? And there is no "is not." There is only "is."
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Practicing the is not you are now

I have seen no sense offered by you as to the universe in all your many threads of words and blah blah

Also so many different names but ever the same unmistakable blah blah
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Who have you helped?

There is no "win"

there only is and is not
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I have helped many to make sense of an infinitely exhausting and sometimes upsetting universe. And I will continue to do so. Who have YOU helped? And there is no "is not." There is only "is."
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Practicing the is not you are now

I have seen no sense offered by you as to the universe in all your many threads of words and blah blah

Also so many different names but ever the same unmistakable blah blah
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And yet you keep coming back for more. ;)
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4. Either everyone wins or no one does. If one person is left suffering (or being made to pay for their "crimes" or what they have done to those who were previously being "taught a lesson") then we have not learned our lesson. We save and forgive EVERYONE.

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5. Persuasion vs. Information. Anyone who is trying to persuade someone of anything (which usually entails being WRONG) has an agenda. The words of any person who has an agenda should be taken with a grain of salt. Persuasion is almost ALWAYS used to get someone to do what the persuader wants. This does not mean that the persuader is "bad," but merely that they are not getting the full message.

Information works differently. It allows for the receiver to come to their own conclusions based solely on the value or lack of value they receive from said information.
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5. Persuasion vs. Information. Anyone who is trying to persuade someone of anything (which usually entails being WRONG) has an agenda. The words of any person who has an agenda should be taken with a grain of salt. Persuasion is almost ALWAYS used to get someone to do what the persuader wants. This does not mean that the persuader is "bad," but merely that they are not getting the full message.

Information works differently. It allows for the receiver to come to their own conclusions based solely on the value or lack of value they receive from said information.
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That's kind of the problem though. Most people percieve a lack of value in any real information and just scoff and brush it off.
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5. Persuasion vs. Information. Anyone who is trying to persuade someone of anything (which usually entails being WRONG) has an agenda. The words of any person who has an agenda should be taken with a grain of salt. Persuasion is almost ALWAYS used to get someone to do what the persuader wants. This does not mean that the persuader is "bad," but merely that they are not getting the full message.

Information works differently. It allows for the receiver to come to their own conclusions based solely on the value or lack of value they receive from said information.
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That's kind of the problem though. Most people percieve a lack of value in any real information and just scoff and brush it off.
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Yes. I agree. We have to attempt to show it to them in a way that they understand and can personally identify with it. If we give people information that will help and that will immediately and obviously relate to something that people can use to better their situations, they will take it.
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6. The trees are the most important part of the forest. Do not let anyone tell you that you are wrong for having an ego. Do not let anyone tell you that "you're not special." Our strongest tool in maintaining our sanity and our individuality in this irrational place is our ability to distinguish ourselves from others. If we lose this, we become hive-minded animals. Not that there is anything wrong with having a hive mind. But I, for one, like the person I am. I believe there are others like me out there who need someone to tell them this.
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