Why do people think atheists don't have morals?

That last statement is correct, just look at Obama.

You mean good moral church going people LIE about being Christian????

Oh my.

I have meet more Atheist with more morals than I have aby Christians.

See, you keep saying the same thing, but I've yet to see any evidence of that being so.

But okay okay, I see your point. You think Atheists are worse off because there is no punishment for their actions right? Punishment meaning being tortured in an eternal firey hellish afterlife, yes?

But in my opinion is that if religious people don't commit crimes JUST BECAUSE of the off chance they'd be damned for eternity makes me think religious people are the ones worse off. You don't commit crimes because you'll get punished in the afterlife -- Atheists don't commit crimes because it's not a very nice thing to do.

Morals are not the point---atheists may or may not have them...

...a brain is the point---they fail to see the design in everything and often believe the evidence-free fairy tale called evolution---atheist = not very bright in the old brain dept.

I am also an Atheist. I tried to be religious and learn about God. But doing bible study with someone who tells me they can't answer my questions, or gives me a cop-out answer such as, "This is God's will," just makes my brain call BS.

Anyway, may I remind you religious folk that religion has caused more wars than anything else? Does it matter whose God is better? More people have died for God than any other reason. It's sad.

I do have morals. I know right from wrong. I would give you the shirt off my back if it came to that. I help more people than a lot of religious folk I know. They just say, "I'll add you to my prayers," and go about their lives. When in the history of mankind have prayers been a means to an end? They may help you sleep better... buy hey, you know, actually helping the person in need would have really made you sleep better.

Lump,

It is simpler than that, there are spiritual laws.

A homo sapien can be in loucke or out loucke to a organization.

Homo sapiens are either serving the spirits and the children of the spirits, or rebeling against the spirits and the children of the spirits, or they are unknowing or somewhere in between.

Does it look like the majority of the homo sapiens professing to be Christians are not rebeling against the spirits and the children of the spirits? Oh, perhaps they are just sleeping until Jesus returns, repeats the spiritual laws to them, and orders them to jihad against the homo sapiens that are rebeling against the spirits.

That's just not true. I think the most athiests have better morals because they understand them. Most religious folks just have morals to keep from going to hell. They're kept in line by fear of judgement.

Proving that most "atheists" are really just anti-theists in disguise.

The immorality is in trying to undermine the beliefs of another. And most of you do it with glee, as though there is personal satisfaction involved.

Bolstering your argument with tales of renegade sickos within a group is not only disingenuous, but also points to a certain insecurity in your own logic.

If you WERE certain there was no creator, you would not require such stories to bolster your decision.

Therefore, it is more a position against religion than a position for absence of a deity.

A lot of these "atheists" on the internet that constantly attack ONE religion, (Christianity) are in fact, luciferians. They may go to mosque/temple/synagogue/church and claim atheism so they don't give away their intentions.
Anti theism is the cool thing to do ,man.

Just remember there is a holy war going on right now, and Christians are being targeted to bring them in

Or they are very much into new age cults (rehashed mythology)
They cannot see their own hypocrisy because they are blind to it

There is a holy war going on. People who call themselves holy are attacking innocent people. Atheism is a the only way to eliminate faith based violence. I am not a luciferian, because he doesn't exist either.

Prove to me a design in everything and I could accept it. But creationists simply state that anything they don't understand is God's will. That's BS. Evolution is real. It has been shown to be real through laboratory testing and real world observation. If you want your God to be responsible for it, show us proof. But you have none. Usually it is because creationists don't even know what evolution is. They picture a monkey giving birth to a human and calling BS. Well, I call BS on that too. Evolution happens over LONG periods of time.

Then the argument will shift to how can we possibly think that "random" changes made us and the world what it is today. How can we not think a creator was behind it since it is so complex. But again, because you do not understand how it works, you fail to realize how many of those genetic mutations and changes have failed over time. DNA didn't roll the dice once and *poof* humans appeared. DNA created 1000's of variables, but the ones that didn't work, died at a higher rate that the successful ones. Evolution is the work of thousands of scientists, experiments, years of data and observation. It can be backed up over and over again with verifiable proof. I think the fair tale is believing a creationists tale with no proof to back it up expect for some bedtime stories found in a 2000 year old book.

Yep, me, the OP and the rest of the gang just got together to ritually sacrifice innocent babies in order to summon our master so that he may grant us all our desires.

Believing in god or gods doesn't make you look retarded it's cultist antropomorphic depiction of deities that makes you all look as such.

Last Edited by Montblanc on 07/28/2013 06:28 PM

"eliminate faith based violence"
LOL
Do you even believe your own posts? Hope not

Hahaha petty athiest hyper ultra devil man.

[Inserts 3 to 7 irrelevent bible verses]

Repent! Repent! Give in to the POWER of Juses the ALMIGHTY savoury of mankind.

Petty athiest it seems to be to late to 'save' you, you ARE possesed by
Optimus satandevil man, you will burn for 78 eternities in a molton fire
pit.

I dont care what you have to say coz ill respond with ....

.....[Inserts 2 to 6 irrelevent bible verses]

I will pray for you hyper ultra athiest devil man because im (supposedly)
saved and you arent , that in turn makes me 'better' than everyone else

Preyz Juses the savoury! Join a church, throw money at it, and juses 'might' accept you into his kingdomE BUT you have to obey the church AND THEN you are truly saved.

Repent! Repent!

[Inserts irrelevent bible text]

Antichrist mega evil sinner man, i will prEy for you before bed tonight...

The morals you ascribe to have are Biblical ones. Without a belief in God, no such morals can exist. Without a eternal Judge and punishment, they can not be enforced.

So if you have "morals" you are not a true Atheist, since morals come from someone who you deny exists. Thus there can be no such thing.
You are more of an Agnostic, than a True Atheist, then. Especially since you are open to the possibility of a creator, if "proof" was provided.

My Father is an Atheist & behaves MORE like a Christian is supposed to than any Christian I have ever met. That is a fact. He believes he only has one life to live & that is it. He does not believe in any form of afterlife. He does the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do. He generously helps the less fortunate ~ Anonymously! Not to get any credit or reward or anything like that.

Myself ~ I do believe in God. I have seen ghosts, angels & other beings. However I do not attend any church. Why? Because when I did (and I even taught sunday school for awhile) I ran into THE most judgmental & hypocritical people I ever met in my whole life. It wasn't just one church either ~ I tried several.

In the New Testament Jesus said not to build big buildings in His name. He said where two or more are gathered in His name ~ He is there also. Why do churches dump TONS of $$$ into fancy, impressive buildings rather than giving it the poor? Why do preachers need to drive big, fancy cars?

True, If God doesn't exist then the idea of Morals is a myth as well. It is God that gives "Morals" value and meaning.
If God and Satan do not exist then neither does Good/Evil or any concept of right/wrong or Morals
For an "Athiest" to have Morals is simply illogical.

I for one believe in God and Morals.
We'll all find out who's right soon enough heh?

All I know is that Atheists are more annoying than Mormons, Scientologists, Evangelicals, etc...

Atheists are the original "trolls".

Sorry to my Atheist friends!
I don't believe in the Easter Bunny,
I'm not going to join an Anti-Easter Bunny Church...

Frankly, I could give half a rats ass what a person believes or doesn't believe. Lately, Atheists have been WAY more vocal than any religious group.

There are too many argumentative Christians on this board. Too many that seem to love bashing others about their beliefs. Let's see what the bible has to say about this shall we?

2 Timothy 2:14
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers

Proverbs 15:1
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

James 1:19
Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger;

Matthew 7:3
Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Titus 3:1-11
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, ...

sociopaths can claim to be religious, yet have no moral standing in society

explain that

and then you will have your answer to the question

you post on the internet and therefore a sociopath. the game can be played like chess.
ur move

Are you a self-proclaimed Christian? Are you comparing Atheists to sociopaths? Did you ever read the bible? Did you skip the part that says "Judge not lest ye be judged"?

It's not that they don't have morals, it's that they shouldn't have morals. Atheism pretty much implies metaethical nihilism.


And atheists have a very weak moral framework for this reason. Without a belief in absolute morality anything can be justified through some rationalization.

If you are an atheist, then you are a liberal.

Hence, you have no morals since libs are the scum of the earth.

LAME response

Morals should not be the byproduct of the possibility of some eternal judgement. Morals are based on being decent to other people. I don't care about eternal punishment or reward. But I do care about my life right here, right now. It is idiotic to think that people don't go ape shit crazy only because of eternal judgement. If that were the case, then eve would never have gone near that damn tree because the thought of burning in hell would have been too great. Morals are a part of our being. The feelings of empathy, hate, love and all the others are chemical responses what our bodies sense in the world around us. By working together, humans have done great things. The concept of morals help keep us in check so that we can communicate and work better together. This helps us survive. Morals are more an argument for evolution than for an imaginary guy in the clouds.

And the morals I described were around long, long before the bible or Jesus or any of that other crap. Are you saying that ancient Sumerians didn't have morals? Didn't they write one of the first set of laws in the world?