Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,606 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 277,032
Pageviews Today: 409,142Threads Today: 126Posts Today: 2,953
03:23 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*

 
Children of the Atom
Offer Upgrade

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/28/2013 07:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Accurately determining a comet's orbit can take several days, or even weeks of new observations, but for Comet ISON it came much more quickly. Pre-discovery observations from the Mount Lemmon Survey (observed Dec. 28, 2011) and Pan-STARRS (observed Jan. 28, 2012) were identified in the Minor Planet Center's database [1]
 Quoting:


And that...

However, Comet ISON was discovered at the great distance of 6 AU (just beyond Jupiter's orbit), and the pre-discovery observations go back to more than 8 AU from the Sun!
 Quoting:


Source: [link to www.astro.umd.edu]

So wait, ISON was initially discovered out in front of the orbit of Saturn back on December 28th, 2011? Further, 6 AU is in FRONT of Jupiter's Orbit, so beyond as in passed it? I would assume so! Since the further data of 8 AU is STILL passed the orbit of Jupiter.

wutlol

So what is the Mount Lemmon Observatory?

Mount Lemmon Observatory (MLO), also known as the Mount Lemmon Infrared Observatory
 Quoting:


And that..

The site in the Coronado National Forest is used with special permission from the U.S. Forest Service by the University of Arizona's Steward Observatory, and contains a number of independently managed telescopes.[1]
 Quoting:


Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

So what is the Mount Lemmon Survey?

Mount Lemmon Survey is a part of the Catalina Sky Survey with observatory code G96.
 Quoting:


Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

So then what is the Catalina Sky Survey?

Catalina Sky Survey is a project to discover comets and asteroids, and to search for Near-Earth objects. More specifically, to search for potentially hazardous asteroids (PHAs), that may pose a threat of impact.
 Quoting:


Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

OK, back to the original source, reading further it brings up that...

In January 2014, the Earth will swing past a part of space that Comet ISON already traveled through, at a small distance of only 0.03 AU. This encounter brings up the possibility of a meteor shower on Earth. Meteor showers from Oort Cloud comets are rare events indeed. Stay tuned while astronomers consider this possibility.
 Quoting:


So let us debunk the 'ISON' will fall apart just like ELENIN did...

Comet ISON, being so bright, is more like Comet Ikeya-Seki in size, which did survive its encounter with the Sun. Their larger sizes insulate their interiors from the Sun's energy.
 Quoting:


But after saying all of that, the author then goes on to how ISON could break apart. scratching

So which is it?

Then he notes that...

While astronomers will do their best to predict what Comet ISON will become, we may be disappointed. The classic let-down in the business of comet predictions was Comet Kohoutek in 1973, but based on what we know about Comet ISON so far, the Kohoutek scenario seems unlikely.
 Quoting:


Seems to me that they STILL cannot make their minds up about ISON. Sounds to me like we can ALL agree that it was known about a year in advanced of being announced an they had discovered it's trajectory rather quickly.

OK, but then it dawned on me... When this was discovered, several months prior to it's pre-discovery we had the massive EQ off the coast of Japan.

So where was ISON on March 11th, 2011? Only a few months away from passing Saturn's orbit! What is VERY interesting is the alignment and 'where' the other planets are at on the model. Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune were ALL on the opposite side of the Sun! In fact, all of the Jovian planets AND the inner solar system planets were contained on the opposite side of the sun leading up to the earthquake and it's discovery on December 28th, 2011 and the formal announcement on September 21, 2012.

[link to img203.imageshack.us]

So where is ISON at today and where are all of the Jovian planets and the inner solar system planets?

[link to img196.imageshack.us]

Does not appear to have changed much in the last two years!

cheche

So what examples of 'change' in the solar system have we observed?

Well, back a while ago there was a 'hexagonal' hurricane that formed over the north pole of Saturn...



Recently, it was announced in February of 2013 that Venus is 'slowing down'.



And yet back in Jan of 2011, NASA released this video?



Why???

Oddly, rewinding JPL back to Jan 1981 is interesting. Where were all of the planets oriented and where was comet ISON?

[link to img442.imageshack.us]

All of the planets were clumped to the lower left of the disc! Were there any noticeable effects? If one asks that question in regard to earthquakes, a quick search from the USGS pulls up some interesting results. There were 40+ significant world wide quakes that year, including a 7.0 in the Samoa region.

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

So let us jump ahead to Jan 1995, where were all of the planets at and where was ISON?

[link to img687.imageshack.us]

All of the planets were in the lower right portion of the disc and ISON had just passed the orbit of Pluto. Again, any noticeable effects? USGS shows over 100+ significant earthquakes for the year!

Source: [link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

Odd and probably coincidence!

So I thought, well lets use the JPL model and see if we notice anything happening to our solar system as ISON approaches, these were the results.



And then there is this whole,giant hole at the top of the sun business going on!





Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/29/2013 04:49 AM
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/28/2013 07:29 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Seeing comets in the infrared:

The dust in the tail reflects sunlight and radiates in the infrared. The infrared emission from comets can be used to get information on the nature of the dust they contain as well as on the rate at which material is being lost from the nucleus. Using IRAS, astronomers discovered that dust from comets fills the Solar System and that comets are dustier than they were thought to be. Many of the meteors which are seen as they streak through our atmosphere may be the larger pieces of this comet dust. IRAS was the first satellite to discover a comet (comet IRAS-Araki-Alcock)
 Quoting:


Source: [link to www.ipac.caltech.edu]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32031551
United States
07/28/2013 07:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
How did ISON have such a defined large coma when photographed 5.2 A.U from the sun?

I think the nucleus is planet sized.
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/28/2013 07:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
How did ISON have such a defined large coma when photographed 5.2 A.U from the sun?

I think the nucleus is planet sized.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32031551


It's tail and coma back when initially discovered was ~ 64,000 km, which is just shy of Jupiter (69,911 km) but bigger than Saturn (58,232 km), Uranus (25,362 km), Neptune (24,622 km), Earth (6,371 km) and Mars (3,390 km).

Pretty cool, egh?
artMan

User ID: 41936247
Sweden
07/28/2013 07:51 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
bump

interesting finds OP
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/28/2013 08:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Made a revision to the original post after discovering additional information!

hf

Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/28/2013 08:02 PM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40458469
United States
07/28/2013 08:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Comets aren't supposed to have tails past Jupiter I believe, because there isn't enough solar radiation to cause the comet to change.
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/28/2013 08:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Comets aren't supposed to have tails past Jupiter I believe, because there isn't enough solar radiation to cause the comet to change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40458469


Using Halley as a reference...

Frozen in deep space, Comet Halley is about the size of the Island of Manhattan in New York City. When it gets close the Sun, Halley spews dust and gas that form a glowing head - a coma - and forms a tail that extends for millions of kilometers. The coma can get bigger than Jupiter. Only our Sun is larger. If Halley's Manhattan-sized nucleus were the size of a pinhead, the tail alone would extend for five miles.

Average Distance from the Sun: 3,300,000 km (22.06 A.U.)
 Quoting:


Source: [link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]

Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/28/2013 08:17 PM
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/28/2013 08:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
quake
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/28/2013 08:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Bump for added information!!

moshpit
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/29/2013 12:26 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 36648852
United States
07/29/2013 12:29 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Interesting post OP! I gave it 5 stars w/o even reading it all yet LOL

There is a bunch to look at here… I better get busy tounge
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17192736
United States
07/29/2013 12:36 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Could this really be X!!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12840131
Philippines
07/29/2013 12:50 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
so why did they call it ISON
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/29/2013 12:58 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
so why did they call it ISON
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12840131


1dunno1

Could this really be X!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17192736


1dunno1

I am sure others would clearly argue it is a regular old comet, me personally - I cannot say one way or the other. It has been interesting and educating sifting through the data and publishing. What I can say is that comets are unknown unknowns.

My biggest question though is that asteroids are made of left over planet material / ice and rock/dust but why do asteroids behave differently than comets?

scratching

Interesting post OP! I gave it 5 stars w/o even reading it all yet LOL

There is a bunch to look at here… I better get busy tounge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36648852


ohyeah

Should take >30m though.
Sarah Conner

User ID: 1513903
United States
07/29/2013 01:06 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Awesome information, OP. I gotta feeling this is gonna be big.


bump dynamite explosion ahhh
Scribbler

User ID: 1374595
United States
07/29/2013 01:08 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
bump
Something is better than nothing, pay attention, it's still free. Lead by example.
Kcchamps

User ID: 36951209
United States
07/29/2013 01:09 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Good or bad, we will know in the next month or two.
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/29/2013 01:13 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Good or bad, we will know in the next month or two.
 Quoting: Kcchamps


I'm not trying to hype this up but these are just questions that come up while researching the available information. There are some odd possibilities with it and we have had a lot of comets whizzing by lately too! The reappearance of it around the end of November is another odd bit as well. If at the very least I hope it continues to provoke thoughts in others as it has in me!
T-Cain
Top Hat

User ID: 44058145
United States
07/29/2013 01:14 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Isn't Ison an anagram for Sion or Zion, as in..the return of Mt. Zion?

Last Edited by USCG Popeye on 07/29/2013 01:14 AM
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/29/2013 01:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Isn't Ison an anagram for Sion or Zion, as in..the return of Mt. Zion?
 Quoting: T-Cain


This is new to me, do you have any credible sources?

Also, I do find it funny that America discovered it prior to Russia discovering it.

Odd...?

ohyeah
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/29/2013 01:45 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
bunnybump

Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 07/29/2013 02:02 AM
ghost runner

User ID: 24911818
United States
07/29/2013 01:49 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
so why did they call it ISON
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12840131


Incoming
Solar
Object
Nubiru


alone

Last Edited by ghost runner on 07/29/2013 01:50 AM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12086234
United States
07/29/2013 01:51 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Mt Zion is God's Holy mountain in Israel.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Psalm 132:13
For the Lord has chosen Zion; he has desired it for his dwelling place:

Joel 3:17
“So you shall know that I am the Lord your God, who dwells in Zion, my holy mountain.

[link to www.openbible.info]
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/29/2013 01:53 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
so why did they call it ISON
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12840131


Incoming
Solar
Object
Nubiru


alone
 Quoting: ghost runner



churchlady
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43852257
United States
07/29/2013 02:04 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
bump first page?
Tasty THC

User ID: 33226973
07/29/2013 02:13 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Bump!
Children of the Atom (OP)

User ID: 20257839
United States
07/29/2013 02:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
I have some more info to add! Working on a little video. I think those who wait to see it will be intrigued!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 41343187
United States
07/29/2013 02:24 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44230876
Croatia
07/29/2013 02:34 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
so why did they call it ISON
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12840131


Incoming
Solar
Object
Nubiru


alone
 Quoting: ghost runner


ISON = ELENIN V 2.0 (more stable and reliable)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44225630
United States
07/29/2013 02:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: ISON discovered PRIOR to September 21, 2012 - Is it the Great Perturber? *updated*
Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41343187


That's a high-potency dose of doom.

News