Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,218 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,006,312
Pageviews Today: 1,401,963Threads Today: 311Posts Today: 7,509
01:29 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 865798
United States
08/02/2013 09:10 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
There you go OP. Now you know. You can stop posting now.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 41239039
United States
08/02/2013 09:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
...


Online Masonic books listed on Masonic web sites:

[link to www.phoenixmasonry.org]

[link to www.themasonictrowel.com]
 Quoting: DrSalt


Was Leon Davin a Masonic author or not? Micheal Tsarion claims he is, I'll take his word over yours unless you can prove otherwise?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


I'm not giving you my word, you fool. I'm giving you the words of Masons themselves in their own books. There are encyclopedic works listed on those sites in which the allegories and symbols are spelled out in plain language, degree by degree.
 Quoting: DrSalt


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


You're giving me your word about what?

You said, "I'll take his word over yours." And to that I replied, "I'm not giving you my word, you fool."

Was Leon Davin a Masonic author or not? Yes or no?

He is a Masonic author. And, you should consult the other Masonic authors whose works are listed on the sites for which I provided you links.

Is the following statement true or false:

You don't know what anything is above you in Freemasonry until you get there because it's a secret.

False. Masons or non-masons can easily read once-secret Masonic books that describe in minute detail the rituals of all degrees. Further, one can read in Masonic encyclopedias precisely what the symbols and allegories mean.

The fact is, if you're not at the top degree of Freemasonry you can't answer the above question because:

This is not a fact. Once upon a time Masonic books were not available to any and all. They are today.

1. You don't know what the contents of the top degree of Freemasonry is until you get there.

False. Again, you can easily read what those contents are if you take the time to research Masonic literature.

2. If you were there you'd be sworn to secrecy about almost anything concerning the top degree.

False. You are sworn to secrecy not to divulge passwords and handshakes that grant you access to places and events. What used to be secret content is now openly taught at universities, where once such things could only be discussed in whispers because of the intellectual stranglehold exercised by dogmatic Christians.

Therefore, you're trying to totally BS everyone on this, period.

Nonsense. You are woefully uninformed.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 865798
United States
08/02/2013 09:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
...


Was Leon Davin a Masonic author or not? Micheal Tsarion claims he is, I'll take his word over yours unless you can prove otherwise?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


I'm not giving you my word, you fool. I'm giving you the words of Masons themselves in their own books. There are encyclopedic works listed on those sites in which the allegories and symbols are spelled out in plain language, degree by degree.
 Quoting: DrSalt


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


You're giving me your word about what?

You said, "I'll take his word over yours." And to that I replied, "I'm not giving you my word, you fool."

Was Leon Davin a Masonic author or not? Yes or no?

He is a Masonic author. And, you should consult the other Masonic authors whose works are listed on the sites for which I provided you links.

Is the following statement true or false:

You don't know what anything is above you in Freemasonry until you get there because it's a secret.

False. Masons or non-masons can easily read once-secret Masonic books that describe in minute detail the rituals of all degrees. Further, one can read in Masonic encyclopedias precisely what the symbols and allegories mean.

The fact is, if you're not at the top degree of Freemasonry you can't answer the above question because:

This is not a fact. Once upon a time Masonic books were not available to any and all. They are today.

1. You don't know what the contents of the top degree of Freemasonry is until you get there.

False. Again, you can easily read what those contents are if you take the time to research Masonic literature.

2. If you were there you'd be sworn to secrecy about almost anything concerning the top degree.

False. You are sworn to secrecy not to divulge passwords and handshakes that grant you access to places and events. What used to be secret content is now openly taught at universities, where once such things could only be discussed in whispers because of the intellectual stranglehold exercised by dogmatic Christians.

Therefore, you're trying to totally BS everyone on this, period.

Nonsense. You are woefully uninformed.
 Quoting: DrSalt


clappa
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20962751
Netherlands
08/02/2013 09:16 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
...


Why would you ask a question when you are so certain of your own answer?

What are YOU looking for?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20962751


I'm looking for someone to actually explain the answer to my question in the original post or if my logic is wrong in the statement below then show me how and why it's wrong and I'll happily go do something else.

If you can refute this then I'll stop posting in this thread:

You don't know what anything is above you in Freemasonry until you get there because it's a secret.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


Well, the only answer on that would be: yes, you don't know.

The basics of freemasonry is to search yourself with the help of other freemasons to eventually ascend and think and feel on a higher scale instead of just your own individual self and help others by all means...
So, maybe there are secrets further up the ladder, maybe there aren't. If the basics are something you belief it's good, your 'dark ally' could also be an enlightened path from which you do not know where it's heading or the secrets it contains, if it contains any to begin with.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20962751


Don't you see the contradiction in what you're saying?

Unless you're at the top degree of Freemasonry you don't know the true "basics of Freemasonry" because the whole thing could be turned on its head at the end and according to researchers like Bill Cooper, that's exactly what happens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


There's no contradiction there, you are making it a contradiction by assuming it will be 'turned on its head', and all because a researcher said it 'could be turned on its head'. The perspective from where your question comes from is not balanced: your cup is already full and you assume too much.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40964118
United States
08/02/2013 09:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
As to Freemasonry, I believe that their rituals and signs and initiations should remain within their organization. And that peoples inaccurate fears about them are unwarranted cause many of the lies you hear are simply not true. Lies are created by enemies or disgruntled people that could not get in.

Its secret for a reason, to be experienced, to not spoil it. To allow members to do the work and initiations and to learn its symbolisms under Providence.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44456076
Germany
08/02/2013 09:19 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
That's easy. Because as you join the organization and work through the degrees you experience first hand the brotherhood and it's good work. You volunteer for various charity organizations, you attend various social events, you approach every person as a free and independent human of equal value and worth. You help your fellow man and fellow brothers however possible and necessary. You recognize yourself as one person, created by God, who's worth and value is measured by what you give back, not by what you take. Easy enough, huh?

Idol1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1352340


so you fking mason i tell you know how dumb you are you one person in a special brotherhood

Your fkud up brotherhood do nothing more than nepotism. All the way you only serve people and their organisation who are "illuminatet", thats the term you guys use right?

The most of your members are spineless cowards never got to work a day because you fking father mother cusin or somewhat else disgusting is a freemason. You only see your brothers as equal human beeing, every other human you see as loot. This brotherhood gives only jobs and contracts to other members not to this one who makes the best offer.

Your charity organisations are held by members of yourself, and of course alot of money is used for accounting. The rest 10% goes to the place you pretend all of the money would go.

Nepotism cowards who pretend to be generously and honorable.
You give nothing back you give it to your brothers who in exchange do something for you or give your son a nice job. So your Brotherhood is nothing more than a pack of thugs who are not be able to life without a brotherhood which guides them through your pathetic life.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 09:19 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
...


Not at all because many researchers say that the lower degrees are there for a show in order to protect the nefarious actions of the higher degrees.

Let me repeat:

You don't know what anything is above you in Freemasonry until you get there because it's a secret!

Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous at best.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


So you admit that you know nothing of it being 'evil' or bad or anything, cause it's a secret. You speak of these researchers. Are they 33rd degree masons like you are requiring of these posters for 'proof'?

You are biased, and are getting fair answers, but refuse to believe these posters because of your bias. You do not want the truth, you only see what you want to see. In other words, a troll thread.
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


I'm looking for someone to actually explain the answer to my question in the original post or if my logic is wrong in the statement below then show me how and why it's wrong and I'll happily go do something else.

If you can refute this then I'll stop posting in this thread:

You don't know what anything is above you in Freemasonry until you get there because it's a secret.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


So you admit that you know nothing of it being 'evil' or bad or anything, cause it's a secret. You speak of these researchers. Are they 33rd degree masons like you are requiring of these posters for 'proof'?

You are biased, and are getting fair answers, but refuse to believe these posters because of your bias. You do not want the truth, you only see what you want to see. In other words, a troll thread.
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


I do know the answer to the question and it was stated in this thread without it being explicitly stated, the answer is:

Faith

I guess I was given "fair answers" if one is willing to accept a belief system that relies on faith, I'm not, but that's a personal choice.

Now read the story of the guy who's life is being ruined by the Freemasons (posted earlier in this thread) and you'll see one reason why faith in the Freemasons is not a "fair" assumption imho.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 865798
United States
08/02/2013 09:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You have been given excellent responses to your questions. Again, you made up your own mind, and refuse to accept logical, truthful answers.

If someone of a particular faith does horrible things, does that make the entire faith bad?

Of course not./
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 09:25 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
...


I'm looking for someone to actually explain the answer to my question in the original post or if my logic is wrong in the statement below then show me how and why it's wrong and I'll happily go do something else.

If you can refute this then I'll stop posting in this thread:

You don't know what anything is above you in Freemasonry until you get there because it's a secret.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


Well, the only answer on that would be: yes, you don't know.

The basics of freemasonry is to search yourself with the help of other freemasons to eventually ascend and think and feel on a higher scale instead of just your own individual self and help others by all means...
So, maybe there are secrets further up the ladder, maybe there aren't. If the basics are something you belief it's good, your 'dark ally' could also be an enlightened path from which you do not know where it's heading or the secrets it contains, if it contains any to begin with.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20962751


Don't you see the contradiction in what you're saying?

Unless you're at the top degree of Freemasonry you don't know the true "basics of Freemasonry" because the whole thing could be turned on its head at the end and according to researchers like Bill Cooper, that's exactly what happens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


There's no contradiction there, you are making it a contradiction by assuming it will be 'turned on its head', and all because a researcher said it 'could be turned on its head'. The perspective from where your question comes from is not balanced: your cup is already full and you assume too much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20962751


How can you say I made an assumption? I wrote "the whole thing could be turned on its head", I wasn't making an assumption.

You have to admit that's a possibility right?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 09:29 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You have been given excellent responses to your questions. Again, you made up your own mind, and refuse to accept logical, truthful answers.

If someone of a particular faith does horrible things, does that make the entire faith bad?

Of course not./
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


Repeating the original question:

How is it possible that Freemasons KNOW that the secret degrees above them are GOOD and that Freemasonry is a good society overall?

How is that possible? Faith is the answer.

If you have a better answer then I'll listen.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 865798
United States
08/02/2013 09:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
...


Was Leon Davin a Masonic author or not? Micheal Tsarion claims he is, I'll take his word over yours unless you can prove otherwise?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


I'm not giving you my word, you fool. I'm giving you the words of Masons themselves in their own books. There are encyclopedic works listed on those sites in which the allegories and symbols are spelled out in plain language, degree by degree.
 Quoting: DrSalt


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


You're giving me your word about what?

You said, "I'll take his word over yours." And to that I replied, "I'm not giving you my word, you fool."

Was Leon Davin a Masonic author or not? Yes or no?

He is a Masonic author. And, you should consult the other Masonic authors whose works are listed on the sites for which I provided you links.

Is the following statement true or false:

You don't know what anything is above you in Freemasonry until you get there because it's a secret.

False. Masons or non-masons can easily read once-secret Masonic books that describe in minute detail the rituals of all degrees. Further, one can read in Masonic encyclopedias precisely what the symbols and allegories mean.

The fact is, if you're not at the top degree of Freemasonry you can't answer the above question because:

This is not a fact. Once upon a time Masonic books were not available to any and all. They are today.

1. You don't know what the contents of the top degree of Freemasonry is until you get there.

False. Again, you can easily read what those contents are if you take the time to research Masonic literature.

2. If you were there you'd be sworn to secrecy about almost anything concerning the top degree.

False. You are sworn to secrecy not to divulge passwords and handshakes that grant you access to places and events. What used to be secret content is now openly taught at universities, where once such things could only be discussed in whispers because of the intellectual stranglehold exercised by dogmatic Christians.

Therefore, you're trying to totally BS everyone on this, period.

Nonsense. You are woefully uninformed.
 Quoting: DrSalt


As to Freemasonry, I believe that their rituals and signs and initiations should remain within their organization. And that peoples inaccurate fears about them are unwarranted cause many of the lies you hear are simply not true. Lies are created by enemies or disgruntled people that could not get in.

Its secret for a reason, to be experienced, to not spoil it. To allow members to do the work and initiations and to learn its symbolisms under Providence.
 Quoting: SHINING PROVIDENCE
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 865798
United States
08/02/2013 09:32 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You have been given excellent responses to your questions. Again, you made up your own mind, and refuse to accept logical, truthful answers.

If someone of a particular faith does horrible things, does that make the entire faith bad?

Of course not./
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


Repeating the original question:

How is it possible that Freemasons KNOW that the secret degrees above them are GOOD and that Freemasonry is a good society overall?

How is that possible? Faith is the answer.

If you have a better answer then I'll listen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


No you won't. Did you read the responses above?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 09:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You have been given excellent responses to your questions. Again, you made up your own mind, and refuse to accept logical, truthful answers.

If someone of a particular faith does horrible things, does that make the entire faith bad?

Of course not./
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


Repeating the original question:

How is it possible that Freemasons KNOW that the secret degrees above them are GOOD and that Freemasonry is a good society overall?

How is that possible? Faith is the answer.

If you have a better answer then I'll listen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


No you won't. Did you read the responses above?
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


I read the whole thread. All of the answers you're referring to boil down to faith.

That shouldn't be a surprise anyway because I understand that American Freemasonry at least requires a belief in God so the whole thing is faith-based in a sense anyway. Correct?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 865798
United States
08/02/2013 09:46 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
Not really faith, but research of original material and discernment. One of which has been provided for you, the other of which you are entirely biased on.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40964118
United States
08/02/2013 09:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You have been given excellent responses to your questions. Again, you made up your own mind, and refuse to accept logical, truthful answers.

If someone of a particular faith does horrible things, does that make the entire faith bad?

Of course not./
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


Repeating the original question:

How is it possible that Freemasons KNOW that the secret degrees above them are GOOD and that Freemasonry is a good society overall?

How is that possible? Faith is the answer.

If you have a better answer then I'll listen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


No you won't. Did you read the responses above?
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


I read the whole thread. All of the answers you're referring to boil down to faith.

That shouldn't be a surprise anyway because I understand that American Freemasonry at least requires a belief in God so the whole thing is faith-based in a sense anyway. Correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


Yes, a belief in God. Theres different levels of Gods, or creators, but in the ultimate God, you must have belief in him.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20962751
Netherlands
08/02/2013 09:48 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
...


Well, the only answer on that would be: yes, you don't know.

The basics of freemasonry is to search yourself with the help of other freemasons to eventually ascend and think and feel on a higher scale instead of just your own individual self and help others by all means...
So, maybe there are secrets further up the ladder, maybe there aren't. If the basics are something you belief it's good, your 'dark ally' could also be an enlightened path from which you do not know where it's heading or the secrets it contains, if it contains any to begin with.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20962751


Don't you see the contradiction in what you're saying?

Unless you're at the top degree of Freemasonry you don't know the true "basics of Freemasonry" because the whole thing could be turned on its head at the end and according to researchers like Bill Cooper, that's exactly what happens.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


There's no contradiction there, you are making it a contradiction by assuming it will be 'turned on its head', and all because a researcher said it 'could be turned on its head'. The perspective from where your question comes from is not balanced: your cup is already full and you assume too much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20962751


How can you say I made an assumption? I wrote "the whole thing could be turned on its head", I wasn't making an assumption.

You have to admit that's a possibility right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


because the whole thing could be turned on its head according to researchers like Bill Cooper, "that's exactly what happens."
With that you're underlining a statement and assuming it WILL happen.. Otherwise you wouldn't have quoted him, hence, states your perspective.

As others already stated here, there is enough info on what freemasons do, why they do it, how they do it and the traditions they use.. You are not looking for an answer, but fantasizing a question nobody has an answer too, if (again) there even is an answer to begin with. (Meaning: who says there are secrets at the top other people don't know about).
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 09:50 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
Not really faith, but research of original material and discernment. One of which has been provided for you, the other of which you are entirely biased on.
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


You're gonna believe "material" over the evil being done by Freemasons all over the world which you can easily confirm?

Yes, it's definitely a faith-based belief system.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 865798
United States
08/02/2013 09:56 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
Not really faith, but research of original material and discernment. One of which has been provided for you, the other of which you are entirely biased on.
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


You're gonna believe "material" over the evil being done by Freemasons all over the world which you can easily confirm?

Yes, it's definitely a faith-based belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


FFS. You already made up your mind. Again, this is a troll thread. You weren't really interested in a truthful answer. You were/are just baiting.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 10:04 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
Not really faith, but research of original material and discernment. One of which has been provided for you, the other of which you are entirely biased on.
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


You're gonna believe "material" over the evil being done by Freemasons all over the world which you can easily confirm?

Yes, it's definitely a faith-based belief system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


FFS. You already made up your mind. Again, this is a troll thread. You weren't really interested in a truthful answer. You were/are just baiting.
 Quoting: Septenary Spirals


I found my answer to the original question in the OP, the answer is faith.

Why do you even care about that since (as far as I know all) Freemasonry requires a type of faith to begin with (a belief in God)?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 34251105
Belgium
08/02/2013 10:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
It is well known that only the highest masons know the true meaning of some symbols

Masonry is secrets in secrets.

They tell you something, but when your degree goes it, you are told that that 'something' actually means something else and whne your degree goes up again, the same happens.

It keeps going untill the true nature of masonry is revealed.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 10:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You're asking about a fundamental human flaw. It is not exclusive to Freemasons.



Look around... everyone "KNOWS" their beliefs are right.


How many people just KNEW George zimmerman was a racist? How many people KNOW their religion is the only (or best) path to god? How many people KNOW their political beliefs are right? How many people just KNOW they are right and everyone else is wrong?

People spend their whole lives insisting they KNOW stuff when they rarely look at all the facts, and even more rarely question themselves or their beliefs


Theres no mystery on why the freemasons just KNOW the organization they chose is "good." They are simply defending their choice based on faulty beliefs like everyone else does.

Case closed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44430413


All that I know is that Masons pretend to be family oriented guys, but want to give their wives to their brothers/hustlers to fuck.

They are "moral" HYPOCRITES.

Who believe in the LIE of the "profane" to subjulgate others.

Their literature SUCKS.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


According to Micheal Tsarion (he's not perfect but I'll put his word over anyone posting in this thread unless they've got good evidence at least) a Freemasonic author wrote the following quote. If it doesn't give you cause for concern, I don't know what to say.

Freemasonry is labyrinthine. It is full of puzzles, conundrums, misspellings, corruptions, cryptic clues, and simple salutes, childish codes, contrivances, circular paths, roads that sometimes lead nowhere, walls appearing to be ten feet thick yet giving way easily to the lightest touch in the right spot, riddles to be solved, numerous passwords, an allegorical, highly symbolical, double-entendre storyline worthy of the best latter-day spy writers, protected by secret signs and symbols and a myriad of enigmas to be confronted…In the labyrinth that is Freemasonry there is a center where rests its holy grail. Many have tried to find it only to reach dead ends - Leon Davin (The Ritual: The Greatest Story Never Told)
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 10:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
It is well known that only the highest masons know the true meaning of some symbols

Masonry is secrets in secrets.

They tell you something, but when your degree goes it, you are told that that 'something' actually means something else and whne your degree goes up again, the same happens.

It keeps going untill the true nature of masonry is revealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34251105


For the lower level initiates to think they know the whole truth is irrational and thus dependent on faith.
erchoz

User ID: 34251105
Belgium
08/02/2013 10:23 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
It is well known that only the highest masons know the true meaning of some symbols

Masonry is secrets in secrets.

They tell you something, but when your degree goes it, you are told that that 'something' actually means something else and whne your degree goes up again, the same happens.

It keeps going untill the true nature of masonry is revealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34251105


For the lower level initiates to think they know the whole truth is irrational and thus dependent on faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535



I suppose so. Secrets in secrets. I guess most of the low ranks ( like anyone under the rank 30 in the scottish rite. I suppose there are more than 33 degrees. Who would otherwise control and guide all those with rank 33? I suppose there are some of those with rank 33 who are of higher rank. Enough to controll and influence the decisions. Such an organisation cannot exist without a true head or council of limited people) are just 'dummies' to give the impression anyone can join. I guess you only learn to know the true secrets when you're like almost at the top.

And so it doesn't matter if the rituals are published or not.
The secrets are only given to high ranked persons, who are not known to be high ranked and wouldn't publish the true secrets as they might loose their position and power.

Last Edited by erchoz on 08/02/2013 10:31 AM
erchoz
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40501228
Canada
08/02/2013 10:31 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You're asking about a fundamental human flaw. It is not exclusive to Freemasons.



Look around... everyone "KNOWS" their beliefs are right.


How many people just KNEW George zimmerman was a racist? How many people KNOW their religion is the only (or best) path to god? How many people KNOW their political beliefs are right? How many people just KNOW they are right and everyone else is wrong?

People spend their whole lives insisting they KNOW stuff when they rarely look at all the facts, and even more rarely question themselves or their beliefs


Theres no mystery on why the freemasons just KNOW the organization they chose is "good." They are simply defending their choice based on faulty beliefs like everyone else does.

Case closed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44430413


wrong their beleifs are not right...you need to get out more
eekers
GLP Tard

User ID: 38137469
United States
08/02/2013 10:33 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
Read 'Born In Blood'

a 33 degree freemason once told me that was one of the most accurate books he's come across demystifying the whole thing. I read it, it was pretty good. mostly historical and goes into some of the ritual aspects, but it doesn't divulge any super secrets.
"We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." - T. S. Eliot
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40501228
Canada
08/02/2013 10:34 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
You're asking about a fundamental human flaw. It is not exclusive to Freemasons.



Look around... everyone "KNOWS" their beliefs are right.


How many people just KNEW George zimmerman was a racist? How many people KNOW their religion is the only (or best) path to god? How many people KNOW their political beliefs are right? How many people just KNOW they are right and everyone else is wrong?

People spend their whole lives insisting they KNOW stuff when they rarely look at all the facts, and even more rarely question themselves or their beliefs


Theres no mystery on why the freemasons just KNOW the organization they chose is "good." They are simply defending their choice based on faulty beliefs like everyone else does.

Case closed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44430413


All that I know is that Masons pretend to be family oriented guys, but want to give their wives to their brothers/hustlers to fuck.

They are "moral" HYPOCRITES.

Who believe in the LIE of the "profane" to subjulgate others.

Their literature SUCKS.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


According to Micheal Tsarion (he's not perfect but I'll put his word over anyone posting in this thread unless they've got good evidence at least) a Freemasonic author wrote the following quote. If it doesn't give you cause for concern, I don't know what to say.

Freemasonry is labyrinthine. It is full of puzzles, conundrums, misspellings, corruptions, cryptic clues, and simple salutes, childish codes, contrivances, circular paths, roads that sometimes lead nowhere, walls appearing to be ten feet thick yet giving way easily to the lightest touch in the right spot, riddles to be solved, numerous passwords, an allegorical, highly symbolical, double-entendre storyline worthy of the best latter-day spy writers, protected by secret signs and symbols and a myriad of enigmas to be confronted…In the labyrinth that is Freemasonry there is a center where rests its holy grail. Many have tried to find it only to reach dead ends - Leon Davin (The Ritual: The Greatest Story Never Told)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535


free masonry is far from obtaining anything holy far far far from it...they try to weave a web and climb spiritual ladders with their mind not understanding that theyre not climbing up but down into to the abyss when they finally get there the baphomet will be waiting to spear them in the ass as a ty for joining...you cant get into the kingdom of heaven through the backdoor you have to enter via the holy spirit
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40501228
Canada
08/02/2013 10:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
If you want to know the secret of all secret societies thats already public, but people, blind as they are, laugh and ignore, its this


We come from the stars, God is from the stars. We were created in a laboratory.

Its us in the future in the past so to speak. One day we will do the same (think Star Trek)

The other secret is, your cycles here on earth are in a formula from birth to death. You are living out a type of "program" thats downloaded at birth. Yes we are organic creatures that need sustanance, but at the same time, there is a computerized system, in advanced electromagnetic signals, that influence all events. There are those that know how to read these computations and they know the future and everything that is to happen
 Quoting: SHINING PROVIDENCE


you come from the baphomets ass basically and youre going nowhere
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 10:41 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
It is well known that only the highest masons know the true meaning of some symbols

Masonry is secrets in secrets.

They tell you something, but when your degree goes it, you are told that that 'something' actually means something else and whne your degree goes up again, the same happens.

It keeps going untill the true nature of masonry is revealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34251105


For the lower level initiates to think they know the whole truth is irrational and thus dependent on faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12615535



I suppose so. Secrets in secrets. I guess most of the low ranks ( like anyone under the rank 30 in the scottish rite. I suppose there are more than 33 degrees. Who would otherwise control and guide all those with rank 33? I suppose there are some of those with rank 33 who are of higher rank. Enough to controll and influence the decisions. Such an organisation cannot exist without a true head or council of limited people) are just 'dummies' to give the impression anyone can join. I guess you only learn to know the true secrets when you're like almost at the top.

And so it doesn't matter if the rituals are published or not.
The secrets are only given to high ranked persons, who are not known to be high ranked and wouldn't publish the true secrets as they might loose their position and power.
 Quoting: erchoz


I thought they actually have to take an oath of secrecy under penalty of death and that's at the lower levels, right?

We can only imagine what it's like at the highest levels. My personal belief is that by the time one reaches the highest levels they're possessed to the point where they have little or no free will. That shouldn't be a surprise to fans of Icke or other "truth movement" leaders because I believe they almost all teach (so to speak) that.

I'm just repeating those people by the way, I made that conclusion after years of hard study. Now I'm aware that there's a real possibility that those people are replaced by androids or clones by the time they reach those levels as well.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 10:45 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
I meant to write: I'm NOT just repeating those people by the way
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 12615535
China
08/02/2013 11:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Simple yet profound question for Freemasons...
bump

News








Proud Member Of The Angry Mob