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The entire Christian worldview of "Accept Christ/Be Born Again or Go to Hell" is NOT what Christ taught!

 
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The entire Christian worldview of "Accept Christ/Be Born Again or Go to Hell" is NOT what Christ taught!
Somebody please pin this so all of the Christian Hell-consumed fear-mongers can "get it for once" out of the scriptures themselves.

Christians routinely distort what Christ said, making His message into a fear-mongering say-a-prayer-5-minutes-before-you-die-to-avoid-hell nut-case message.

When asked specifically about what one must to do eternal life, He simply said:

"Keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17

Note: This is NOT "accept Christ as your Lord and savior."

When he talked about being "born again" to "see the kingdom of God," He did NOT mention hell in that scripture ONCE, yet people interpret it as "You must be born again or go to hell":

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3:3

The Kingdom of God is defined as "A life of goodness, peace, and joy," *NOT* as avoiding hell:

"For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Romans 14:17

Think about it -- why didn't He tell Nicodemus in John 3:3 to "Keep the commandments," if He was talking about eternal life as in Matthew 19:17 ????

It's because He's not talking about that!

The Kingdom of GOD, also known as the "Kingdom of Heaven," is a term to specifically denote the rule of "heaven on earth." It is NOT the place of heaven itself. Christ is saying, in order to see HEAVEN MANIFESTED ON EARTH, the KINGDOM of Heaven, one must be BORN AGAIN (to have one's eyes opened to live a life of goodness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit). This is what He's talking about.

Hell was made for the DEVIL and his ANGELS, and the comparatively few who are indistinguishable from them.

Stop distorting Christ's message of love and hope with your fear-mongering.
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Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
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I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..

Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
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Christians routinely distort what Christ said
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Absolutely - this is why they need evangelized more than any other group. Most are rooted deep in the debris of Religion Inc. A lot of us have been there.

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Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
.


I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..

Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
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Good stuff. I'll add one from Luke 2:

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to <a slender fraction of> people.
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You take it up with Jesus:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

Hell deniers are just a sign that we are in the last days.

It's you and Religion Inc. that is trying to put out the fires of hell:
[link to wayoflife.org]

See? All sorts of apostates and wolves in sheeps clothing.
And where does it lead?
To the type of satanic society we see now where anything goes, sodomite parades, pedophiles wanting to legalize destroying little children, not executing murderers, having POTUSes like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter etc.

A sick degenrate society. I don't see why you are whining so much? Society is going the way you guys want, it is going into the pit just as you like it.

Why are you not celebrating? If there's no hell why are so afraid of it? Are you a moran?

I couldn't care less about this stuff when I was an atheist, hell that was just a laughing matter to me, yet to you it's all "oh the horror", but since we are teaching wrong about this according to you and the JWs, Popes and others clowns what is there to worry about why do you care?

You can't possibly be scared, why would you be scared about people telling you you are going to hell if there is no such place?

Or is it that small still voice telling you hell is real and you are going that is tripping you up? The last ditch effort to save your wretched hide? I see no other explanation because this "booohoo don't speak about this place that don't exist" doesn't cut it.

[link to www.boundless.org]
[link to av1611.org]
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you do what you like, just stop whining already, we will continue to preach about hell. Your retard theology will not make it not exist just because you want it not to exist because you want to be a rebel, go be a rebel if that is your desire we won't stop you, we are sending you a warning, you don't have to heed warnings, just like you don't have to heed warning signs in society in general.
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You take it up with Jesus:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

Hell deniers are just a sign that we are in the last days.

It's you and Religion Inc. that is trying to put out the fires of hell:
[link to wayoflife.org]

See? All sorts of apostates and wolves in sheeps clothing.
And where does it lead?
To the type of satanic society we see now where anything goes, sodomite parades, pedophiles wanting to legalize destroying little children, not executing murderers, having POTUSes like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter etc.

A sick degenrate society. I don't see why you are whining so much? Society is going the way you guys want, it is going into the pit just as you like it.

Why are you not celebrating? If there's no hell why are so afraid of it? Are you a moran?

I couldn't care less about this stuff when I was an atheist, hell that was just a laughing matter to me, yet to you it's all "oh the horror", but since we are teaching wrong about this according to you and the JWs, Popes and others clowns what is there to worry about why do you care?

You can't possibly be scared, why would you be scared about people telling you you are going to hell if there is no such place?

Or is it that small still voice telling you hell is real and you are going that is tripping you up? The last ditch effort to save your wretched hide? I see no other explanation because this "booohoo don't speak about this place that don't exist" doesn't cut it.

[link to www.boundless.org]
[link to av1611.org]
[link to av1611.org]


you do what you like, just stop whining already, we will continue to preach about hell. Your retard theology will not make it not exist just because you want it not to exist because you want to be a rebel, go be a rebel if that is your desire we won't stop you, we are sending you a warning, you don't have to heed warnings, just like you don't have to heed warning signs in society in general.
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Christ said "Father forgive them, they know not what they do" to EVERYONE IN THE MOB below that were committing the worst sin of all time -- killing God.
If those are forgiven, certainly everyone else is.
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You are just another fool who is in love with your sin and you willl do anything to justify your continued wallowing in it.
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You take it up with Jesus:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

Hell deniers are just a sign that we are in the last days.

It's you and Religion Inc. that is trying to put out the fires of hell:
[link to wayoflife.org]

See? All sorts of apostates and wolves in sheeps clothing.
And where does it lead?
To the type of satanic society we see now where anything goes, sodomite parades, pedophiles wanting to legalize destroying little children, not executing murderers, having POTUSes like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter etc.

A sick degenrate society. I don't see why you are whining so much? Society is going the way you guys want, it is going into the pit just as you like it.

Why are you not celebrating? If there's no hell why are so afraid of it? Are you a moran?

I couldn't care less about this stuff when I was an atheist, hell that was just a laughing matter to me, yet to you it's all "oh the horror", but since we are teaching wrong about this according to you and the JWs, Popes and others clowns what is there to worry about why do you care?

You can't possibly be scared, why would you be scared about people telling you you are going to hell if there is no such place?

Or is it that small still voice telling you hell is real and you are going that is tripping you up? The last ditch effort to save your wretched hide? I see no other explanation because this "booohoo don't speak about this place that don't exist" doesn't cut it.

[link to www.boundless.org]
[link to av1611.org]
[link to av1611.org]


you do what you like, just stop whining already, we will continue to preach about hell. Your retard theology will not make it not exist just because you want it not to exist because you want to be a rebel, go be a rebel if that is your desire we won't stop you, we are sending you a warning, you don't have to heed warnings, just like you don't have to heed warning signs in society in general.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-




Christ said "Father forgive them, they know not what they do" to EVERYONE IN THE MOB below that were committing the worst sin of all time -- killing God.
If those are forgiven, certainly everyone else is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40317378


The Son of God is the only salvation. You know this and you lie willfully.
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Christ tards unite!!!!
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OP, keep going, you have them in shock!!!


OP has point!

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Didn't Jesus also teach not to preach and be a hypocrite? Matthew 6:6?
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But the priest told me if I tell anyone I would go to hell...

Sick joke I know, sorry everyone.
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You take it up with Jesus:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

Hell deniers are just a sign that we are in the last days.

It's you and Religion Inc. that is trying to put out the fires of hell:
[link to wayoflife.org]

See? All sorts of apostates and wolves in sheeps clothing.
And where does it lead?
To the type of satanic society we see now where anything goes, sodomite parades, pedophiles wanting to legalize destroying little children, not executing murderers, having POTUSes like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter etc.

A sick degenrate society. I don't see why you are whining so much? Society is going the way you guys want, it is going into the pit just as you like it.

Why are you not celebrating? If there's no hell why are so afraid of it? Are you a moran?

I couldn't care less about this stuff when I was an atheist, hell that was just a laughing matter to me, yet to you it's all "oh the horror", but since we are teaching wrong about this according to you and the JWs, Popes and others clowns what is there to worry about why do you care?

You can't possibly be scared, why would you be scared about people telling you you are going to hell if there is no such place?

Or is it that small still voice telling you hell is real and you are going that is tripping you up? The last ditch effort to save your wretched hide? I see no other explanation because this "booohoo don't speak about this place that don't exist" doesn't cut it.

[link to www.boundless.org]
[link to av1611.org]
[link to av1611.org]


you do what you like, just stop whining already, we will continue to preach about hell. Your retard theology will not make it not exist just because you want it not to exist because you want to be a rebel, go be a rebel if that is your desire we won't stop you, we are sending you a warning, you don't have to heed warnings, just like you don't have to heed warning signs in society in general.
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This may help clarify the situation for you. . .

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well, you sort of have it, OP

hell is merely the grave

Ecclesiastes 9:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.


people don't go to heaven

the Kingdom of God is going to be here on the Earth


but there are no "fallen angels" as angels harken to the sound of the Lord's voice and God's will is done in heaven (think of the Lord's prayer "Thy will be done, on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN"

God has control in heaven, you can be sure


and there is no supernatural devil
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SATAN, DEVIL & DEMONS


Each of these Bible words has a different meaning.

SATAN is a Hebrew word which is NOT translated. It has been lifted directly into the
English language from the Hebrew. It simple means "adversary". “Satan” is not necessarily evil. It is used of people who are simply opposed to a course of action, whether that action be for good or evil. Example: Jesus called Peter ‘satan.’

DEVIL
This word is Greek - "diabolos". It means "false accuser, slanderer". It always indicates sin or evil. We use it in English as a verb - "diabolical". In the Greek,
the word is almost entirely used as a verb. It is NEVER used of a single evil person.
Experts in the Greek language (eg Liddell & Scott) tell us this.

DEMONS This is a Greek word, generally translated as "devil" in the New Testament,
and therefore can be confused with "diabolos". The Greek word is "daimon or daimonian". It would be more accurate to read "demon" where that word occurs instead of "devil". In my Bible, I have shaded in the word for "demon" to distinguish it from "devil". “Demon” is used for sicknesses and also for idols. The church mistakenly takes this word in association with the word for devil (diabolos).

The word "demon" is the Greek word used to describe the "lesser Greek gods". They were the "demigods" who had influence over mortals and the power to inflict disease or trouble. For instance, the god Pan - we get the word "pandemonian", which originally meant that Pan caused trouble and disorder! Jesus, by using the common word in use at the time for sicknesses, never endorsed a personal belief in the Greek demigods, just as our use of words such as pandemonian or lunatic does not endorse our acceptance of Pan or the moon having a direct influence on those with psychiatric disorders (example: luna-tic).

An excellent example of the use of the word DEMONS is found in I Corinthians 10. Here
the issue is that Corinthian brethren were visiting a restaurant up on top of the hill where
idolatrous practises took place. They were not taking part in the idolatry, but were eating at a
table where meat sacrificed to idols was dished up, and there were also courtesans available,
priestesses etc. Paul uses a very powerful argument against this practice. He talked about the believers eating at another table in the idol’s temple, and by doing this they were "having fellowship -with devils" - (the word ‘demons’ verse 20); and that they could not eat and drink at two tables (v21). When we look at verse 20, this is a quotation from Deuteronomy 32:17 - "they sacrificed unto devils not to God... " The Corinthian believers had to learn the lesson from Israel, who craved after the flesh and fell into sin. They committed idolatry.

There is no doubt that the subject here is idolatry – by reading carefully we see how the Bible uses the word.

The word "demon" in the New Testament generally refers to a psychiatric condition, a mental illness. Mary Magdalene "had seven demons" (Luke 8:2) - she must have been a VERY serious case. The man called "Legion” was a maniac (Luke 8 from v27 onwards). When Jesus healed him, he transferred the disturbed state of mind to the pigs! These days, we can better understand mental illness. The key to understanding this miracle is in verse 35 "they found the man ..... sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed and IN HIS RIGHT MIND.. " This means his mind was not right before, when he was ill. Thus, it was the mind which was healed.
Verse 36 - "he that was possessed of demons" indicates he had a personality disorder of the most severe type.

SATAN

To understand the meaning to a word or subject, we have to look up EVERY reference using that word in the Bible. Though this takes time, it is the only sound method.

The word "satan" has been adopted into English without being translated. Sometimes it has been translated in the Bible, and this should give us the clue as to its real meaning. There is no warrant to use a capital for the first letter. "Satan" is NOT a proper noun; it is merely a noun.

In the OT the word "satan" has been transliterated:
"satan" 19 times,
translated "adversary" 7 times (Numbers 22:22; I Samuel 29:4; 2 Samuel 19:22; I Kings 5:4; 11:14, 23, 25)
"resist" once (Zechariah 3:1)
"be an adversary" 5 times, and
"to withstand" once.

The first use of "satan" is in Numbers 22 where it is used twice, and in both cases, it is
correctly translated. It should have been similarly translated in EVERY other case in the
Bible.

Numbers 22: 22 "adversary" is the word satan. The second use of the word is as a verb in verse 32 "to withstand" (ie stand against). Here is an angel of God, who is Balaam's "adversary". Balaam was going to do something God had told him NOT to do, so the angel was sent to stop him.

The churches teach that there are "evil angels". The word "angels" is also used of
human messengers as well as God's messengers in heaven. But angels who are always in God's presence, are perfect, beyond sin. An accurate understanding of the angels is very necessary, because the churches have the view that there are "fallen angels" (eg Lucifer) when the Bible teaches that in heaven, "God's will is done" (Matthew 6:10) that angels "hearken unto the voice of His word.... do His pleasure" (Psalm 103:20-21).

We are offered the promise of life eternal and Jesus speaks of the redeemed as "neither can
they die any more FOR THEY ARE EQUAL UNTO THE ANGELS... " (Luke 20:35,36).
This teaches that angels are immortal.. they cannot die. Immortality is only given as a gift of
God when someone has put sin behind him. If we can still sin when immortal, then it means
God will NEVER be able to do away with sin and achieve perfection and harmony in the
world (which is what He has said He will do). Adam and Eve were sent out of the garden so
that they could not become immortal sinners! This was a merciful provision of God. The
Bible teaches that God cannot look upon sin (Habakkuk 1:13) well, if God had evil angels in
heaven, how could He have dealt with that??

The devil, or sin is manifested in three ways:
1 the individual
2 religious organizations
3 civil powers..

It doesn't matter if it is one person or a group - it is still sin.

INDIVIDUALS CAN BE SATANS


We learn that there are humans who are called "satan". Peter is one example (Matthew 16:23). Jesus tells us HOW he defines a satan in this verse - "for you savour not the things that be of God... " in other words. Peter was an adversary of God at this point in time. How? Because he questioned the plan of God that Jesus Christ would die (verse 22). Jesus addressed Peter as satan, because he was challenging the work of Christ. The satan in the book of Job, is another case of a person who, because of his attitude, was "opposed to the will of God".

RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS CAN BE SATANS

Revelation 2:9 - those of "the synagogue of satan". The synagogue of satan here were the Jews who opposed the work of God, and the authority of the apostles. In Luke 10:18 Jesus exclaimed that "he saw satan as lightning fall from heaven" - this satan is identified for us as "Capernaum who was exalted unto heaven" (verse 15). Capernaum was a centre of Jewish learning. As a result of the 70 disciples returning from the highly successful work the Lord had sent them to do, Jesus saw it as a sign of Jewish teaching by the Law of Moses losing prominence and he quoted from Psalm 8. In verse 19 of Luke 10, he identifies satan as also being "the enemy".

CIVIL AUTHORITIES CAN BE SATANS

Revelation 12:9 Here is one of the very few instances where the words "satan" and "devil" are
linked. In this passage, the great dragon is both ADVERSARY and FALSE ACCUSER. The
more serious aspect is of course the "false accuser", because the verse concludes that the devil
"deceiveth the whole world".

The satan in Job
Job 1:6 "a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Yahweh and satan
came also among them. " Why do we think this satan is an angel? The believers, who are "the
sons of God" regularly present themselves before God in worship. As Galatians 4:5-7, I John 3:1 shows the sons of God are the believers. They are "sons" because they have adopted God as their Father and retain "His seed" within them. (I John 3:9; I Peter 1:23-25)

The satan of Job had a difficulty. He was not only jealous, but he believed that Job was not
genuine. God held Job up as an example (verse 8) to which the adversary objected. His
envious comments in verse 10 are noted. Although God puts Job in satan's power (vl2), God
is fact, the actual instigator of evil. This Job acknowledges very clearly in verse 21. Job's
faithless wife, also knew the evil came from God (2:9,10). In chapter 2, satan doesn't want
to acknowledge that Job is still faithful after many trials - he says in verse 9 "Go on, touch
him personally, in his own body, physically".

The final analysis of Job, is that the three "friends" of Job are rebuked (42:7), and Job is
instructed by God to act as their priest (42:8). "Then came ... all his brethren ... and
comforted him over all the evil that YAHWEH HAD BROUGHT UPON HIM" (v11). "I make peace and I create evil" says God (Isaiah 45:7).

Remember that man creates sin, but God creates evil as the punishment for sin, or for trial.
Religion can be a cloak for self interest.... this has been the history of the church. It is the teaching of Paul that "of your own selves men shall arise speaking perverse things to draw away DISCIPLES AFTER THEM". (Acts 20:30).

INDIVIDUALS CAN BE DEVILS

Judas Iscariot (John 6:70)
Wives of deacons (In I Timothy 3:11 the word devils is correctly translated "slanderers").

RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS CAN BE TERMED "DEVIL"
Jesus challenging the Jew leadership of his day, said "ye are of your father the diabolos
(devil) ..... he was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth .... when he
speaks A LIE he speaks out of his own reasoning, for he is a liar and the father of it."
(John 8:44) This is a terrible indictment. Notice that the word devil is associated with the sin
- a lie. Indeed, their whole life was a lie. Note the incident at the beginning of the chapter. It was one of a charge of adultery. A woman was brought "in the very act" (John 8:4). If this was the case, WHERE WAS THE MAN? The Law required that both man and woman be dealt with (Deuteronomy 22:22). The law required witnesses, which the accusers failed to produce. It is most likely that one of the woman's accusers that was the adulterer. Hence Jesus says "he that is without sin among you.... " (verse 7, the sin of adultery, the particular sin under discussion). As a result, Jesus now charged their whole religious life as one great lie. They were in effect “a devil”.

CIVIL POWERS CAN BE TERMED "DEVIL"

Revelation 2:10- "...the devil shall cast some of you into prison". What devil can do that?
Only a devil who has civil authority. In this case, it was the political power of Rome who did
in fact put many Christians into prison for their beliefs, and for not accepting the Roman
Emperor as a god.

I Peter 5:8 "because your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walketh about seeking whom
he may devour whom resist, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are
accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. " This was a time of terrible persecution.
Peter refers to this in chapter 4:12 speaking of "the fiery trial which is to try you...", and he counsels them to behave in a right way, so that they will not be accused justly of any misdemeanour (verse 15) "let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief." It was such a time of trial that Peter likened it to a judgment (verse 17) "for the time is that Judgment must begin at the house of God.... " and Christians were very much persecuted.

THE PROBLEM OF SIN

Some think the huge social problems and general lack of morality in the present society, indicates the presence of an underlying evil person and that "this devil" is successfully influencing people and organisations for evil. There is a very real problem with evil. But it stems from sin. Today, sin is not a popular word, so instead, people talk about the problem of evil. There are such terrible situations, socially, in the world, that people can hardly believe that they are perpetrated by human beings. But in fact they are. It does not take a super human monster to entice men and women to sin. They do it very well themselves.

The Bible presents the view of just how "sick" the human condition is. "The heart is sick" says Jeremiah (17:9) "who can know it?" The one who does know, is God: "Yahweh who tries the reins" (the inward parts or thinking, Jeremiah 17:10).

The “devil” within
Jesus said that “which comes out of the man that defiles the man. For from within, out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, coveteousness…..All these evil things come from within.” (Mark 7:20-23)

Temptation comes “when a man is drawn away of his own lust and enticed. Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin, and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death.” (James 1:14,15) The advertising world presents the picture of goods to buy or things to do, and tries to stimulate the desire within every person.

God has made men and woman in His likeness and His image (Genesis 1:26). He has does all that He can, even to providing a role model in His own son - and He requires that we "be conformed to the image of the Son" (Romans 8:29).


How Moral Decline sets in
Paul says that the creation is a witness to the existence of an all wise God (Romans 1:20). Once people refuse to accept God and honour Him, they become "vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened" (v21) Instead of reflecting the glory of God in whose image they were created, they changed the image... and became animal like in behaviour (verse 23); animal like, because they have no moral characteristics. This resulted in moral depravity (verses 26-27). The result, is that God can no longer do anything with them, so He "gives them over to a reprobate mind" ie a mind devoid of judgment (verse 28).

The terrible effect of this, was that they were "filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness......-murder, debate, deceit, malignity..... haters of God.. proud, boasters.. inventors of evil things, .... without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful..." (V29,30). (There is no reference to a "devil" causing this). These people will face the judgment of God because "they which commit such things are worthy of death" (V32), and in that day, "the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth to the other" (Jeremiah 25:33).

The carnal mind can NEVER be subject to the law of God - "the carnal mind is at enmity against God" (Romans 8:7). It is unconvertible. This means there is only one thing we can do with the carnal or natural thinking - and that is, to kill it, before it kills us!! This is the lesson of baptism - the putting to death of the old man of the sin or the flesh, or as Romans 6:6 put its "that the body of sin might be destroyed”. Each must do that for themselves, firstly in baptism and then as a daily dying to self. "I die daily" Paul said (I Corinthians 15:31).

The Saviour redeems from sin

People could not keep the law of God, so Jesus Christ was sent to deal with the problem. He was born with human nature (or “the devil within”) so that he could deal sin a blow at its source:
“What the law could not do … God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.” (Romans 8:3)
In his obedient life and death “he put off the body of the sins of the flesh” in a spiritual circumcision (Colossians 2:11).
Jesus bore human nature, so “he might destroy him that has the power of death, that is the devil (diabolos)” (Hebrews 2:14) In this context, “devil” is used for sin which has the “power of death” (refer Romans 5:21; 6:23)

Our personal salvation is dependent upon developing PERSONAL FAITH. "Faith comes by hearing the Word of God" (Romans 10:17). This brings personal responsibility. Ezekiel 18:20 says that none bears the sin or responsibility of another. Belief in a personal devil shifts responsibility to another.


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Hi OP, what is the lake of fire and who goes there?
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Lol - they don't even suspect how true this is ;)
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Hi OP, what is the lake of fire and who goes there?
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I will wait for OP to reply, since he has a good understanding of Scripture :-)
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Hi OP, what is the lake of fire and who goes there?
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Lake of fire
[link to bible-truths.com]

More scriptural critique of "eternal Hell" doctrine:

THE SEVEN WONDERS OF HELL
[link to bible-truths.com]

Is Hell Eternal?
Or Will God's Plan Fail?
[link to www.tentmaker.org]

HISTORY OF OPINIONS ON THE SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINE OF RETRIBUTION
[link to www.tentmaker.org]

Ages or Eternity and the King James Version

[link to www.tentmaker.org]

An Analytical Study of Words
[link to www.tentmaker.org]

Hope Beyond Hell
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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Hi OP, what is the lake of fire and who goes there?
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Lake of fire
[link to bible-truths.com]

More scriptural critique of "eternal Hell" doctrine:

THE SEVEN WONDERS OF HELL
[link to bible-truths.com]

Is Hell Eternal?
Or Will God's Plan Fail?
[link to www.tentmaker.org]

HISTORY OF OPINIONS ON THE SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINE OF RETRIBUTION
[link to www.tentmaker.org]

Ages or Eternity and the King James Version

[link to www.tentmaker.org]

An Analytical Study of Words
[link to www.tentmaker.org]

Hope Beyond Hell
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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You take it up with Jesus:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

Hell deniers are just a sign that we are in the last days.

It's you and Religion Inc. that is trying to put out the fires of hell:
[link to wayoflife.org]

See? All sorts of apostates and wolves in sheeps clothing.
And where does it lead?
To the type of satanic society we see now where anything goes, sodomite parades, pedophiles wanting to legalize destroying little children, not executing murderers, having POTUSes like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter etc.

A sick degenrate society. I don't see why you are whining so much? Society is going the way you guys want, it is going into the pit just as you like it.

Why are you not celebrating? If there's no hell why are so afraid of it? Are you a moran?

I couldn't care less about this stuff when I was an atheist, hell that was just a laughing matter to me, yet to you it's all "oh the horror", but since we are teaching wrong about this according to you and the JWs, Popes and others clowns what is there to worry about why do you care?

You can't possibly be scared, why would you be scared about people telling you you are going to hell if there is no such place?

Or is it that small still voice telling you hell is real and you are going that is tripping you up? The last ditch effort to save your wretched hide? I see no other explanation because this "booohoo don't speak about this place that don't exist" doesn't cut it.

[link to www.boundless.org]
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you do what you like, just stop whining already, we will continue to preach about hell. Your retard theology will not make it not exist just because you want it not to exist because you want to be a rebel, go be a rebel if that is your desire we won't stop you, we are sending you a warning, you don't have to heed warnings, just like you don't have to heed warning signs in society in general.
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Somebody please pin this so all of the Christian Hell-consumed fear-mongers can "get it for once" out of the scriptures themselves.

Christians routinely distort what Christ said, making His message into a fear-mongering say-a-prayer-5-minutes-before-you-die-to-avoid-hell nut-case message.

When asked specifically about what one must to do eternal life, He simply said:

"Keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17

Note: This is NOT "accept Christ as your Lord and savior."

When he talked about being "born again" to "see the kingdom of God," He did NOT mention hell in that scripture ONCE, yet people interpret it as "You must be born again or go to hell":

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3:3

The Kingdom of God is defined as "A life of goodness, peace, and joy," *NOT* as avoiding hell:

"For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Romans 14:17

Think about it -- why didn't He tell Nicodemus in John 3:3 to "Keep the commandments," if He was talking about eternal life as in Matthew 19:17 ????

It's because He's not talking about that!

The Kingdom of GOD, also known as the "Kingdom of Heaven," is a term to specifically denote the rule of "heaven on earth." It is NOT the place of heaven itself. Christ is saying, in order to see HEAVEN MANIFESTED ON EARTH, the KINGDOM of Heaven, one must be BORN AGAIN (to have one's eyes opened to live a life of goodness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit). This is what He's talking about.

Hell was made for the DEVIL and his ANGELS, and the comparatively few who are indistinguishable from them.

Stop distorting Christ's message of love and hope with your fear-mongering.
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he never said that you twisted his words.
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The NIV bible likes to leave out "consequences" as well. A blasphemous revision of scripture. You cannot do that. But as far as doing every sermon about fear, thats wrong.. yes.
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Somebody please pin this so all of the Christian Hell-consumed fear-mongers can "get it for once" out of the scriptures themselves.

Christians routinely distort what Christ said, making His message into a fear-mongering say-a-prayer-5-minutes-before-you-die-to-avoid-hell nut-case message.

When asked specifically about what one must to do eternal life, He simply said:

"Keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17

Note: This is NOT "accept Christ as your Lord and savior."

When he talked about being "born again" to "see the kingdom of God," He did NOT mention hell in that scripture ONCE, yet people interpret it as "You must be born again or go to hell":

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3:3

The Kingdom of God is defined as "A life of goodness, peace, and joy," *NOT* as avoiding hell:

"For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." Romans 14:17

Think about it -- why didn't He tell Nicodemus in John 3:3 to "Keep the commandments," if He was talking about eternal life as in Matthew 19:17 ????

It's because He's not talking about that!

The Kingdom of GOD, also known as the "Kingdom of Heaven," is a term to specifically denote the rule of "heaven on earth." It is NOT the place of heaven itself. Christ is saying, in order to see HEAVEN MANIFESTED ON EARTH, the KINGDOM of Heaven, one must be BORN AGAIN (to have one's eyes opened to live a life of goodness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit). This is what He's talking about.

Hell was made for the DEVIL and his ANGELS, and the comparatively few who are indistinguishable from them.

Stop distorting Christ's message of love and hope with your fear-mongering.
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Wow .....exactly ....I wasn't sure any other "Christians " believed like me on here

the book of revelations says that the " Holy City" ..."New Jerusalem" comes down out of heaven and sits on the New Earth ....... This is where Christ and his people (born again) will live and the rest of the people that recieve eternal life but weren't born again will populate the New Earth

Ofcourse there will still be some humans that are condemned to the lake of fire for their evil deeds but there will be hundreds of millions or billions of people that that never were born again yet they receive eternal life because of their good deeds alone ....and if people don't believe that people will recieve eternal life for their good deeds alone then they might as well rip Matt 25 right out of their Bible where Jesus himself said that people would recieve eternal life for the good deeds alone





Matt 25

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”




Absolutely nowhere is anything mentioned about being born again .... It's strictly about good deeds .....these people inherit the kingdom of the new earth while Christ and his Bride(born again)inherit the New Jerusalem which is the Physical Kingdom of God ......Jesus said to the Pharisees ...I am from above , you are from beneath .....God is from heaven ...the physical kingdom of God comes down from where God resides and is placed on earth

Ofcourse born again christians already partakers of the Kingdom of God but only spiritually right now ....one day the spiritual kingdom and the physical Kingdom will join togather

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Christ died for our sins. To be forgiven of our sins, we need to accept Christ and ask for forgiveness. You cannot enter Heaven full of sin. Where else would you go?

Oh yeah, Hell.
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Hi OP, what is the lake of fire and who goes there?
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The lake of fire is for the devil, his angels, and those humans that are indistinguishable from them of heart who ultimately want nothing to do with reason and truth (ultimately an infinitesimally small fraction).
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Christ died for our sins. To be forgiven of our sins, we need to accept Christ and ask for forgiveness. You cannot enter Heaven full of sin. Where else would you go?

Oh yeah, Hell.
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And what about those who Christ said "father, forgive them, they know not what they do", while they butchered him on the cross -- and none of them asked for forgiveness???

Do you know the high priest on Yom Kippur, what Christ is modeled after, FORGAVE EVERYONE'S SIN without ANYONE ASKING FOR IT??

Those who preach this everyone-is-in-hell-by-default nonsense have no concept of the FULL CONTEXT of scripture, where the old testament didn't mention it AT ALL.

God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Get a CLUE.
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You take it up with Jesus:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

Hell deniers are just a sign that we are in the last days.

It's you and Religion Inc. that is trying to put out the fires of hell:
[link to wayoflife.org]

See? All sorts of apostates and wolves in sheeps clothing.
And where does it lead?
To the type of satanic society we see now where anything goes, sodomite parades, pedophiles wanting to legalize destroying little children, not executing murderers, having POTUSes like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter etc.

A sick degenrate society. I don't see why you are whining so much? Society is going the way you guys want, it is going into the pit just as you like it.

Why are you not celebrating? If there's no hell why are so afraid of it? Are you a moran?

I couldn't care less about this stuff when I was an atheist, hell that was just a laughing matter to me, yet to you it's all "oh the horror", but since we are teaching wrong about this according to you and the JWs, Popes and others clowns what is there to worry about why do you care?

You can't possibly be scared, why would you be scared about people telling you you are going to hell if there is no such place?

Or is it that small still voice telling you hell is real and you are going that is tripping you up? The last ditch effort to save your wretched hide? I see no other explanation because this "booohoo don't speak about this place that don't exist" doesn't cut it.

[link to www.boundless.org]
[link to av1611.org]
[link to av1611.org]


you do what you like, just stop whining already, we will continue to preach about hell. Your retard theology will not make it not exist just because you want it not to exist because you want to be a rebel, go be a rebel if that is your desire we won't stop you, we are sending you a warning, you don't have to heed warnings, just like you don't have to heed warning signs in society in general.
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This may help clarify the situation for you. . .

[link to tentmaker.org]

<< Much of the terrorism in the world comes through Christians who have been taught a false concept of God. >>
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No Amirault is a unitarian heretick, his heresy started at the same time as the occult revival in the world.

Here's some on this guy:
[link to thepathoftruth.com]
[link to biblocality.com]
[link to pastorshinchan.blogspot.se]

he don't know what he is talking about, much like the OP.

More on Universalism:
[link to letusreason.org]
[link to raptureready.com]
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Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
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I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..

Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
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Check again Jhn 12:32 KJV - And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
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Re: The entire Christian worldview of "Accept Christ/Be Born Again or Go to Hell" is NOT what Christ taught!
You take it up with Jesus:
[link to biblebelievers.com]

Hell deniers are just a sign that we are in the last days.

It's you and Religion Inc. that is trying to put out the fires of hell:
[link to wayoflife.org]

See? All sorts of apostates and wolves in sheeps clothing.
And where does it lead?
To the type of satanic society we see now where anything goes, sodomite parades, pedophiles wanting to legalize destroying little children, not executing murderers, having POTUSes like Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter etc.

A sick degenrate society. I don't see why you are whining so much? Society is going the way you guys want, it is going into the pit just as you like it.

Why are you not celebrating? If there's no hell why are so afraid of it? Are you a moran?

I couldn't care less about this stuff when I was an atheist, hell that was just a laughing matter to me, yet to you it's all "oh the horror", but since we are teaching wrong about this according to you and the JWs, Popes and others clowns what is there to worry about why do you care?

You can't possibly be scared, why would you be scared about people telling you you are going to hell if there is no such place?

Or is it that small still voice telling you hell is real and you are going that is tripping you up? The last ditch effort to save your wretched hide? I see no other explanation because this "booohoo don't speak about this place that don't exist" doesn't cut it.

[link to www.boundless.org]
[link to av1611.org]
[link to av1611.org]


you do what you like, just stop whining already, we will continue to preach about hell. Your retard theology will not make it not exist just because you want it not to exist because you want to be a rebel, go be a rebel if that is your desire we won't stop you, we are sending you a warning, you don't have to heed warnings, just like you don't have to heed warning signs in society in general.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


This may help clarify the situation for you. . .

[link to tentmaker.org]

<< Much of the terrorism in the world comes through Christians who have been taught a false concept of God. >>
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No Amirault is a unitarian heretick, his heresy started at the same time as the occult revival in the world.

Here's some on this guy:
[link to thepathoftruth.com]
[link to biblocality.com]
[link to pastorshinchan.blogspot.se]

he don't know what he is talking about, much like the OP.

More on Universalism:
[link to letusreason.org]
[link to raptureready.com]
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


I'm not a universalist. I believe hell exists. I just believe Christianity has the wrong emphasis.

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