Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,847 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 166,906
Pageviews Today: 227,054Threads Today: 57Posts Today: 1,042
01:33 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 30827755
United States
08/09/2013 04:34 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Let us start off at some of the similarities between Ison and the Great Comet of 1680. Backslashes placed in between values for clarity. Don't read too much into the data, just shown to reflect similarities.

"The orbital elements of the Comet ISON resemble those of the Great Comet of 1680 and according to some astronomers, the two objects might be related or even be the same:

ω Ω i q(AU) e
C/2012 S1
345º.501 /295º.751 /61º.785/ 0.0125045/ 1.00000266657

C/1680 V1
350º.613 /276º.634 /60º.678 /0.00622 /0.999986


(Above, i is the inclination angle, Ω the longitude of the ascending node taken eastward from the vernal equinox, ω the angle of the perihelion from the ascending node measured in the ecliptic plane, q the perihelion distance in AU and e the eccentricity; 1 AU = 149597870.691 km; source: Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s On-Line Solar System Data Service)."

[link to prints.iiap.res.in]

You can see that all values are extremely close.

-------------------------------------------------------

This same paper gives the dates for the closest approach to the sun (November 28, 2013) and earth (December 26, 2013)
While Wikipedia gives these dates for the Great Comet
December 18, 1680 for closest approach to sun
November 30, 1680 for closest approach to earth
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Interpretation of the data from the paper plus these dates will lead you to believe that Ison is coming from the opposite direction that the Great Comet was in 1680, which makes sense if these are the “same comet.”


From the paper again

" Its (ISON'S) perihelion passage is on Nov 28.8147, 2013 (at around 19:00 UT) when it is estimated to touch a visual magnitude -13.....The comet and the Sun will then be located at the top of the constellation of Scorpio.

Hmmm... Directly above Scorpio is the constellation OPHIUCHUS, the serpent bearer. If the tail of this comet is as magnificent as alleged, we may have a symbolic serpent here. Especially since in 2013 the sun enters Ophiuchus on November 29th, the day after ISONs closest approach to the sun. Oh yeah, the sun leaves Ophiuchus in 2013 on December 18th, the day the Great Comet's closest approach to the sun was in 1680, as shown above. Weird. The full moon in November 2013 is 11 days from the closest approach to the sun, and in December is 9 days from the closest approach to earth. Id love to see the difference in 1680 but cant seem to find moon charts going back that far.


[link to earthsky.org]





If you take a look at this link showing figures depicting the Maunder Minimum, you will see that the 'height' of this minimum takes place right around 1680. Any Suspicious0bserver fans will know that sunspot numbers are way down, while coronal holes are on the rise. (Is Earth/something else killing sunspots?)Another similarity.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

No decent article on this site can be devoid of some wild prognostications;

Cyclicity? OuroBoros?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

2013-1680= 333 x 2 approaches =666

Nostradamus Quatrain II.41
"The great star for seven days will burn, The cloud will cause two suns to appear: The big mastiff all night will howl, When the great pontiff changes countries."


Quatrain II.43
"During the bearded star's appearance, The three great princes will be made enemies: Hit from the sky, peace earth trembling, Pau, Tiber overflowing, serpent on the brink placed. "
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 30827755
United States
08/09/2013 04:46 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
[link to arxiv.org]

Also, it looks like ison is the oldest comet we have seen from the oort cloud.

"Comet ISON is found in the region of Oort Cloud comets, even considering a wide range of parameters. This seems to be the oldest comet we have from the Oort cloud, based on its location on the diagram."

And that its nucleus H20 deficient, which could affect its magnitude either way.

"Notice that after the event (slow down event), the comet remained with its magnitude virtually unchanged for ~132 d.
The standstill of the comet can only imply that the nucleus is depleted in water. There could be rock, dust or debris under the surface, but water seems to be scarce."

Some other interesting points

"(5) Technically speaking, since January 17th±3 d, 2013, comet ISON has been on a standstill for more than 132 d, within the same magnitude ±0.2 mag, a rather puzzling feat (Figure 8)."

with a calibration by Jorda, Crovisier & Green (2008), reveals that comet ISON is depleted in water content by a factor of 9.2, approximately."

The figures also tell a story if read correctly.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44747122
08/09/2013 04:50 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
it was kind of interesting until you started with nostradamus.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 30827755
United States
08/09/2013 04:54 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
it was kind of interesting until you started with nostradamus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44747122


that's why I saved it for the end
Halo2Alexis™
omnipotent, but an apathetic underachevier

User ID: 41994758
United States
08/09/2013 05:01 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
bump
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
I can't force people to accept the truth, but I can expose them to it.
mathetes

User ID: 39086638
United States
08/09/2013 05:08 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Great post Op, I certainly think ISON is the great comet of 1680


And if so, we are in for a show

woodcutting's and paintings of the 1680 comet

[link to www.google.com (secure)]
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Mr information
User ID: 1337378
Belgium
08/09/2013 05:11 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Couldn't agree more by the way you might wanna check this video!



This is a must see video about this subject!
Mr information
User ID: 1337378
Belgium
08/09/2013 05:13 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu


Here is more complete documentary about the electric properties of comets and their interaction with the solar system as they pass by.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 30827755
United States
08/09/2013 05:35 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
After crunching some numbers and converting AUs into kilometers, I came up with this.

perihelion distance in 1680- .00622AU x 150,000,000= 933,000km

perihelion distance in 2013- .0125045AU x 150,000,000=1,875,675km

1,875,675km /2 = 937,837.5km

Again, perihelion distance in 1680= 933,000km

937,837.5 - 933,000 = 4,837.5km.

If these are the "same comet," the perihelion distance has almost EXACTLY doubled, save 4,837.5 km. That's chump change when dealing with these kinds of distances.

I've looked at some other recurring comets with respect to consecutive and non-consecutive perihelion distances and I can't see any type of relationship let alone an almost exact double.

If these aren't the same comet that is one hell of a coincidence.
Uncle Arthur
User ID: 41404351
United States
08/09/2013 06:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.
Mr information
User ID: 1337378
Belgium
08/09/2013 06:13 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.
 Quoting: Uncle Arthur 41404351


wtf

"Collision course with earth" dude whatever you are smoking give me some!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 27619178
United Kingdom
08/09/2013 06:17 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.
 Quoting: Uncle Arthur 41404351

I guess it is easy to make a light hearted comment to keep the thread going and express a personal opinion. Nothing wrong with that as long as we are all clear that it is only light hearted and just a wild shot guess.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44846605
Belarus
08/09/2013 06:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
ison is death itself
my name is 905

User ID: 44511214
08/09/2013 06:37 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
After crunching some numbers and converting AUs into kilometers, I came up with this.

perihelion distance in 1680- .00622AU x 150,000,000= 933,000km

perihelion distance in 2013- .0125045AU x 150,000,000=1,875,675km

1,875,675km /2 = 937,837.5km

Again, perihelion distance in 1680= 933,000km

937,837.5 - 933,000 = 4,837.5km.

If these are the "same comet," the perihelion distance has almost EXACTLY doubled, save 4,837.5 km. That's chump change when dealing with these kinds of distances.

I've looked at some other recurring comets with respect to consecutive and non-consecutive perihelion distances and I can't see any type of relationship let alone an almost exact double.

If these aren't the same comet that is one hell of a coincidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30827755


Interesting post. any evidence of a previous pass in 1347?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44770999
Australia
08/09/2013 06:48 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
333 years ago!

The Great Comet Star of 1680

The Great Comet of 1680 was observed by the Reverend Robert Law in Scotland:

‘December 10, being Friday, 1680, after sun-sett, there appeared in the west a comet, having a large broad and great streamer coming from it, the like was never seen or read of, and continued till the 16th or 17th day of January, growing smaller and smaller to its end;’
For Law, the Great Comet of 1680
‘Was certainly prodigious of sad things to us, as all these ordinary are, such as that comet seen above Jerusalem in shape of a sword, before her ruin and their division.
[link to drmarkjardine.wordpress.com]
Even if comet ISON is not related to the comet of 1680, the orbital elements as pointed out by Bortle are very interesting (especially if one keeps the EU in mind). What I find equally intriguing is that back in 1680 the sun was in what is now called the "maunder minimum", a period with extremely low sunspot activity. In contrast to today (even considering the weak Solar Cycle 24) the sun is much more active. Therefore, if the comets´ orbits are similar, but the sun is now much more active, what will this mean for the comet itself? Could it put on a remarkable show?
[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Strange UFO Coin from 1680 Puzzles the Experts [link to www.thelivingmoon.com]
Southern California Long Overdue for Quake, Experts Say
Historical data show that the average time between earthquakes in the southern end of the fault line is 150 to 200 years. Though dormant for more than 300 years, the southern end of the San Andreas Fault is long overdue for a giant upheaval
However, the last earthquake struck the area back in 1680.
[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]
[link to www.earthquakecountry.info]
bubonic plague,
The city was crippled by the epidemic, which recurred fitfully into the early 1680s, losing an estimated 76,000 residents. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

1680, when the Yellow River changed its course, merged with the Huai River, and the Hongze Lake appeared…
The eruption of 1680 of Tongoko volcano was a one of the major explosive eruptions in the past centuries.
Evidence of the release of aerosols high into the stratosphere has been found in Greenland Ice cores. In the year following the eruption, sunsets all over the world have been more colorful because of the dust [link to www.volcanodiscovery.com]
Large Krakatoa Eruption May 1680 [link to www.drgeorgepc.com]
1680 The last moai sculptors put down their tools.
Famine-
• 1669 famine in Bengal
• 1680 famine in Sardinia[25]
• 1680 famine in Japan
• 1680s famine in Sahel
1680 Ague (hot) epidemic
England 1681 Ague (hot) epidemic, smallpox


Oct. 9, 1680, in Malaga. Magnitude: 6.9
Took the lives of at least 200 people and destroyed 20 percent (800) of the city's houses, leaving even more inhabitable. The epicenter was located in the city of Malaga, which is located in the province of Andaluci¬a.
Based on geologic evidence, scientists think that a massive magnitude-9.0 earthquake rocked the Cascadia Subduction Zone region off Oregon and Washington sometime between 1680 and 1720 The waves reached as high as 12 feet and flooded rice paddies, washed away buildings and damaged fishing shacks and salt kilns. Sleeping villagers awoke startled and wet and had to hastily scramble to high ground. The waters knocked down oil lamps and started a fire in one village and destroyed 20 houses in another.
The waves pounded the villages all through that night and into the late morning of the next day.
They swept through Miho, a village about 90 miles (140 kilometers) southwest of what is now Tokyo, about seven times.
The tsunami struck not only without warning, but without an apparent cause. Normally, tsunamis are preceded by earthquakes: the deadly Indian Ocean tsunami that devastated Southeast Asia last December, for example, was foreshadowed by a magnitude-9.3 undersea temblor.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 33598366
United States
08/09/2013 07:14 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Couldn't agree more by the way you might wanna check this video!



This is a must see video about this subject!
 Quoting: Mr information 1337378


IF you want to get a basic knowledge about this (electric) comet, watch this video!
It has been removed before, apparently re-uploded now.
WATCH IT while you can in order to better understand this magnificent star,
"the electric comet".
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 30827755
United States
08/09/2013 07:34 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
After crunching some numbers and converting AUs into kilometers, I came up with this.

perihelion distance in 1680- .00622AU x 150,000,000= 933,000km

perihelion distance in 2013- .0125045AU x 150,000,000=1,875,675km

1,875,675km /2 = 937,837.5km

Again, perihelion distance in 1680= 933,000km

937,837.5 - 933,000 = 4,837.5km.

If these are the "same comet," the perihelion distance has almost EXACTLY doubled, save 4,837.5 km. That's chump change when dealing with these kinds of distances.

I've looked at some other recurring comets with respect to consecutive and non-consecutive perihelion distances and I can't see any type of relationship let alone an almost exact double.

If these aren't the same comet that is one hell of a coincidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30827755


Interesting post. any evidence of a previous pass in 1347?
 Quoting: my name is 905


Not that I am seeing, but if you subtract the remaining kilometers 4837.5 from 2013, you get 2824.5 BC.

Turns out there was a major catastrophe around this date, (May 10, 2807 is the hypothesized date). Guess what the catastrophe was?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"2807 BC: Suggested date for an asteroid or comet impact occurring between Africa and Antarctica, around the time of a solar eclipse on May 10, based on an analysis of flood stories. Possibly causing the Burckle crater and Fenambosy Chevron"

Turns out there was an eclipse on may 10 2807BC (partial lunar), and yes, there was an eclipse on may 10th 2013 (annular) as well.

The last eclipse of 2013 is on November 3rd, as an hybrid annular/total eclipse in the constellation crucifix, along with a new moon right when ISON should allegedly be visible. Wild.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to darkstarastrology.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2484453
United Kingdom
08/09/2013 07:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Two words: Isaac Newton.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39621345
Spain
08/09/2013 07:51 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
not sure subtracting kilometres from years is a valid way to deduce things chuckle, but interesting anyway.

by the way, the Black Death started in 1347

[link to www.disasterium.com]

in the year 1014 a huge tsunami struck the UK, believed to be from a comet fragment impact

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 33598366
United States
08/09/2013 07:52 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu


Here is more complete documentary about the electric properties of comets and their interaction with the solar system as they pass by.
 Quoting: Mr information 1337378


Just wanted to add to my earlier post about "electric comet", that THIS IS THE VIDEO that was removed and now re-uploaded

Please watch!
IndigoMoon

User ID: 18226170
United States
08/09/2013 08:38 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
it was kind of interesting until you started with nostradamus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44747122


that's why I saved it for the end
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30827755


OP- Thank you for tying in Nostradamus. Very interesting compilation of information.

5 *'s for you! hf
Live simply, love generously, care deeply, and speak kindly.
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass;
It's about learning how to dance in the rain.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44291916
United Kingdom
08/09/2013 08:38 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
it was kind of interesting until you started with nostradamus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44747122


Your brain cannot cope that why.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 30827755
United States
08/09/2013 08:46 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
not sure subtracting kilometres from years is a valid way to deduce things chuckle, but interesting anyway.

by the way, the Black Death started in 1347

[link to www.disasterium.com]

in the year 1014 a huge tsunami struck the UK, believed to be from a comet fragment impact

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39621345


Good call

POOF member, Gary Daniels, wrote a very interesting article in January of 2012. A New York geologist has found evidence that around 1014 AD, a swarm of large meteors or comet debris struck North America and the Atlantic Ocean, causing both a mega-tsunami and local, cataclysmic meteor damage. Archaeoastronomy of the Ocmulgee Earth Lodge

[link to www.peopleofonefire.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 44827786
Canada
08/09/2013 09:01 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
it was kind of interesting until you started with nostradamus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44747122


that's why I saved it for the end
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30827755


OP- Thank you for tying in Nostradamus. Very interesting compilation of information.

5 *'s for you!
hf
 Quoting: IndigoMoon


i'll second that! hf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40414955
United States
08/09/2013 09:15 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.
 Quoting: Uncle Arthur 41404351


The only fact is that IF it was headed toward us, then we couldn't stop it.

Nevertheless, it isn't, and all your other facts are nothing but utter BS.

Get off the bath salts man...shit will fuck you up
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6948457
United States
08/09/2013 09:21 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Much of the speculation about ISON and its likely consequence has been sadly misinformed -- indeed, complacent. Let me reiterate some basic facts here.

Fact: ISON is *not* a comet.

The astronomers think that ISON might once have been a moon of Neptune or Uranus, or perhaps it was locked in a stable point in Neptune's orbit, and was then perturbed somehow. But perturbed it was, and now it is on a thirty-six-hundred-year collision course with Earth.

Fact: ISON's impact will *not* be comparable to the Chicxulub impact which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

That impact was sufficient to cause mass death, and to alter -- drastically, and for all time -- the course of evolution of life on Earth. But it was caused by an impactor some ten kilometers across. ISON is *forty* times as large, and its mass is therefore some *sixty thousand times* as great.

Fact: ISON will *not* simply cause a mass extinction event, like Chicxulub.

It will be much worse than that.

The heat pulse will sterilize the land to a depth of fifty meters. Life might survive, but only by being buried deep in caves. We know no way, even in principle, by which a human community could ride out the impact. When ISON arrives, everybody will die.

Fact: ISON *cannot* be deflected with current technology.

It is possible we could turn aside small bodies -- a few kilometers across, typical of the population of near-Earth asteroids -- with such means as emplaced nuclear charges or thermonuclear rockets. The challenge of deflecting ISON is many orders of magnitude greater. Thought experiments on moving such bodes have been proposed, for example, using a series of gravitational assists -- not available in this case -- or using advanced technology such as nanotech von Neumann machines to dismantle and disperse the body. But such technologies are far beyond our current capabilities.
 Quoting: Uncle Arthur 41404351


Dude, I've heard a lot of info about Ison but never anything so doomy as this. Where are you getting this information!?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1965384
United States
08/09/2013 09:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Will it cause plagues too?
A r c t u r u s
555

User ID: 44848957
Germany
08/09/2013 09:54 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
hmm
There will come a time when you believe everything ends.
This will be the beginning
[Louis L'Amour]

~ A r c t u r u s
X3N
i love faeries

User ID: 1052567
Australia
08/09/2013 09:55 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Bump
Crazy Harriet

User ID: 44244020
Japan
08/09/2013 12:34 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Good thread. Comet ISON should be fascinating. If it's a repeater, we will learn so much.
Not another lousy foreign actor in the White House - Liam Neeson 2016! A foreign actor you can believe in.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 30827755
United States
08/09/2013 12:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Comet ISON and its connection to the Great Comet of 1680, Ophiuchus, and the Maunder Minimu
Good thread. Comet ISON should be fascinating. If it's a repeater, we will learn so much.
 Quoting: Crazy Harriet


thanks

News








We're dropping truth bombs like it's the end of days!