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Sandy Hook...SHHH....it IS STEPFORD, CT!

 
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"Adam" is simply not an issue.
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Where's Peter??

Where's Ryan??

Witness "protection?"

The Bahamas with face jobs???
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Never heard of any credible evidence, whether it be in newspapers, social media, press releases from their places of employment, comments from acquaintances, friends, colleagues, etc., regarding Peter or Ryan Lanza. I seriously doubt the current existence of these people. I suspect they are virtual or composite identities (or long since expired) reconstituted for this tale. With some intel and a good graphic design sense you don't need to be a genius to invent a fake person and a convenient backstory. With some gov-sponsored financing you can fabricate someone to where you may even fool yourself. Not too hard if you have an objective.
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I think it can be agreed upon that Adam had some mental health issues. His own family admitted that. What would trigger him to kill his mother and 26 other people?

Apparently he lived on his own during the final days while his mother was in New Hampshire on vacation. A book on Aspergers Syndrome was found during a search warrant of his house. A plant, who knows? Aspergers in itself is not such a big issue.

The picture being painted of him is a shy 20 year old with high IQ but lacking in social skills. A shut in who enjoyed playing violent video games. Which in itself means nothing.

What triggered him to do what he did? Evidence obtained at the scene may reveal what happened in the final days.
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Careful Sox.
This is an astute analysis -BUT- using logical deductive reasoning will get you labeled a shill within this thread.
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One of the single most compelling pieces of evidence pointing to multiple shooters is a statement by a Fairfield County trooper, who stated that the St. Rose incident on 12/16 was a "continuation of what happened at this location two days ago, against the individual who's continuing to be the target."
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What exactly is a Fairfield County trooper?
Utterly clueless post.
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I think it can be agreed upon that Adam had some mental health issues. His own family admitted that. What would trigger him to kill his mother and 26 other people?

Apparently he lived on his own during the final days while his mother was in New Hampshire on vacation. A book on Aspergers Syndrome was found during a search warrant of his house. A plant, who knows? Aspergers in itself is not such a big issue.

The picture being painted of him is a shy 20 year old with high IQ but lacking in social skills. A shut in who enjoyed playing violent video games. Which in itself means nothing.

What triggered him to do what he did? Evidence obtained at the scene may reveal what happened in the final days.
 Quoting: SOX


Careful Sox.
This is an astute analysis -BUT- using logical deductive reasoning will get you labeled a shill within this thread.
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You guys are so full of shit it's not even funny.

"Evidence obtained at the scene may reveal what happened in the final days."

Good! Where is this "evidence" obtained at the scene? It's been 10 months. We're waiting.
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I think it can be agreed upon that Adam had some mental health issues. His own family admitted that. What would trigger him to kill his mother and 26 other people?

Apparently he lived on his own during the final days while his mother was in New Hampshire on vacation. A book on Aspergers Syndrome was found during a search warrant of his house. A plant, who knows? Aspergers in itself is not such a big issue.

The picture being painted of him is a shy 20 year old with high IQ but lacking in social skills. A shut in who enjoyed playing violent video games. Which in itself means nothing.

What triggered him to do what he did? Evidence obtained at the scene may reveal what happened in the final days.
 Quoting: SOX


Careful Sox.
This is an astute analysis -BUT- using logical deductive reasoning will get you labeled a shill within this thread.
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You guys are so full of shit it's not even funny.

"Evidence obtained at the scene may reveal what happened in the final days."

Good! Where is this "evidence" obtained at the scene? It's been 10 months. We're waiting.
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We're waiting too, moron.
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I think it can be agreed upon that Adam had some mental health issues. His own family admitted that. What would trigger him to kill his mother and 26 other people?

Apparently he lived on his own during the final days while his mother was in New Hampshire on vacation. A book on Aspergers Syndrome was found during a search warrant of his house. A plant, who knows? Aspergers in itself is not such a big issue.

The picture being painted of him is a shy 20 year old with high IQ but lacking in social skills. A shut in who enjoyed playing violent video games. Which in itself means nothing.

What triggered him to do what he did? Evidence obtained at the scene may reveal what happened in the final days.
 Quoting: SOX


Careful Sox.
This is an astute analysis -BUT- using logical deductive reasoning will get you labeled a shill within this thread.
 Quoting: PlasMan


You guys are so full of shit it's not even funny.

"Evidence obtained at the scene may reveal what happened in the final days."

Good! Where is this "evidence" obtained at the scene? It's been 10 months. We're waiting.
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We're waiting too, moron.
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So why do you suppose it's taking so long? They already know who did it, right?

Maybe you can ask some of your Newtown acquaintances what's up.
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One of the single most compelling pieces of evidence pointing to multiple shooters is a statement by a Fairfield County trooper, who stated that the St. Rose incident on 12/16 was a "continuation of what happened at this location two days ago, against the individual who's continuing to be the target."
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What exactly is a Fairfield County trooper?
Utterly clueless post.
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The troopers who serve Fairfield County were staffing Newtown 12/16; when the St. Rose "bomb" threat went down (it was not a bomb threat--it was a shooting threat).

Here is the transcript:

12/16/12 12:34:10 Fairfield Cty Police Fire EMS

Male: "That's not what I understand. You're going to come to this location and assist with traffic, and just to give peace of mind to the population. The threat was to continue what happened two days ago at this location with the person who's being the target. We're just going to give them some comfort as they disband."

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So this kind of thing really shores up Sedensky's claim that specific witnesses/targets continue to be in danger from known or unknown criminals at large, and that that specific threat is a continuation of the events of 12/14.
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And it's not often you'll find me supporting Sedensky's angle :)
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The audio of 12/14, 12/16, 12/18, and other days is archived here, along with a partial transcript and other documents:

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The police and EMS audio from that day is an incredibly important resource, providing a precise timing of many of the major points in that day's events.

It's also an important indicator of how professional responders experienced that day. I used to think, for example, there was not enough emotion in the voices.

But having listened many times over, I now realize, for example, that Mr. Nute is audibly shaken after Dahlmeyer says "call for everything." You can tell (I feel) that up to that point, he was hoping for the best.
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None of this means I think it couldn't have been preplanned.

The greatest hoaxes in the world have succeeded only with the unwilling and unwitting participation of the masses.

The War of the Worlds broadcast didn't cause a nationwide panic. The first people to panic at that broadcast did.
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I've often thought the person who is "being the target" could be Fr. Luke Suarez. His sister posted a plea for prayers for him after Sandy Hook, saying he was the target of ongoing threats, had had his computer hacked, his identity stolen, and so forth. Fr. Luke was giving the homily 12/16 when the threat came in.

So that really begs the question of what happened at St. Rose Church and/or school 12/14. CNN broadcast footage of St. Rose school being stormed by law enforcement that morning.
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One of the single most compelling pieces of evidence pointing to multiple shooters is a statement by a Fairfield County trooper, who stated that the St. Rose incident on 12/16 was a "continuation of what happened at this location two days ago, against the individual who's continuing to be the target."
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What exactly is a Fairfield County trooper?
Utterly clueless post.
 Quoting: PlasMan


The troopers who serve Fairfield County were staffing Newtown 12/16; when the St. Rose "bomb" threat went down (it was not a bomb threat--it was a shooting threat).

Here is the transcript:

12/16/12 12:34:10 Fairfield Cty Police Fire EMS

Male: "That's not what I understand. You're going to come to this location and assist with traffic, and just to give peace of mind to the population. The threat was to continue what happened two days ago at this location with the person who's being the target. We're just going to give them some comfort as they disband."

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The threats did occur at the church and other school. I thought they were unspecified threats. I suspected a bomb threat. Newtown was the focal point of the world in the days after 12/14. Probably some psycho from out of state. If the feds were involved, it may or may not be because of telephonic communications.

I thought an arrest was imminent in these two separate cases last month? Do not really know anymore about it.

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Also, the diocese (or someone) got Fr. Luke out of town after Sandy Hook. They sent him and Msgr. Weiss on speaking tours as far away as Alaska.
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One of the single most compelling pieces of evidence pointing to multiple shooters is a statement by a Fairfield County trooper, who stated that the St. Rose incident on 12/16 was a "continuation of what happened at this location two days ago, against the individual who's continuing to be the target."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48252565


What exactly is a Fairfield County trooper?
Utterly clueless post.
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The troopers who serve Fairfield County were staffing Newtown 12/16; when the St. Rose "bomb" threat went down (it was not a bomb threat--it was a shooting threat).

Here is the transcript:

12/16/12 12:34:10 Fairfield Cty Police Fire EMS

Male: "That's not what I understand. You're going to come to this location and assist with traffic, and just to give peace of mind to the population. The threat was to continue what happened two days ago at this location with the person who's being the target. We're just going to give them some comfort as they disband."

201212161117-993050-9921
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The threats did occur at the church and other school. I thought they were unspecified threats. I suspected a bomb threat. Newtown was the focal point of the world in the days after 12/14. Probably some psycho from out of state. If the feds were involved, it may or may not be because of telephonic communications.

I thought an arrest was imminent in these two separate cases last month? Do not really know anymore about it.
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The thing is, they were threats against a specific, known individual, and that individual was also a target two days prior, "at this location."

The focus of the world was on Sandy Hook School - not St. Rose school. Most of the world didn't even know St. Rose school existed, much less have the rectory's number and know to threaten a specific individual working there.

It was a threat of continued shooting--directed at a person who had been the target of that same type of threat on 12/14.

Shortly after the church was evacuated, witnesses reported a man running out of a red Subaru carrying a "machine pistol." He ran into a field, heading toward the highway.
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What exactly is a Fairfield County trooper?
Utterly clueless post.
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The troopers who serve Fairfield County were staffing Newtown 12/16; when the St. Rose "bomb" threat went down (it was not a bomb threat--it was a shooting threat).

Here is the transcript:

12/16/12 12:34:10 Fairfield Cty Police Fire EMS

Male: "That's not what I understand. You're going to come to this location and assist with traffic, and just to give peace of mind to the population. The threat was to continue what happened two days ago at this location with the person who's being the target. We're just going to give them some comfort as they disband."

201212161117-993050-9921
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The threats did occur at the church and other school. I thought they were unspecified threats. I suspected a bomb threat. Newtown was the focal point of the world in the days after 12/14. Probably some psycho from out of state. If the feds were involved, it may or may not be because of telephonic communications.

I thought an arrest was imminent in these two separate cases last month? Do not really know anymore about it.
 Quoting: SOX


The thing is, they were threats against a specific, known individual, and that individual was also a target two days prior, "at this location."

The focus of the world was on Sandy Hook School - not St. Rose school. Most of the world didn't even know St. Rose school existed, much less have the rectory's number and know to threaten a specific individual working there.

It was a threat of continued shooting--directed at a person who had been the target of that same type of threat on 12/14.

Shortly after the church was evacuated, witnesses reported a man running out of a red Subaru carrying a "machine pistol." He ran into a field, heading toward the highway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48302906


Plasman and Sox really enjoy when the topic moves this way. It keeps the story away from the fact that it was indeed a drill. If they can keep you on a topic that involves some sort of terror in the area that means you believe someone died. That is the main goal, just make sure we steer the conversation away from the obvious fact that is was just a drill.
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The troopers who serve Fairfield County were staffing Newtown 12/16; when the St. Rose "bomb" threat went down (it was not a bomb threat--it was a shooting threat).

Here is the transcript:

12/16/12 12:34:10 Fairfield Cty Police Fire EMS

Male: "That's not what I understand. You're going to come to this location and assist with traffic, and just to give peace of mind to the population. The threat was to continue what happened two days ago at this location with the person who's being the target. We're just going to give them some comfort as they disband."

201212161117-993050-9921
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48302906


The threats did occur at the church and other school. I thought they were unspecified threats. I suspected a bomb threat. Newtown was the focal point of the world in the days after 12/14. Probably some psycho from out of state. If the feds were involved, it may or may not be because of telephonic communications.

I thought an arrest was imminent in these two separate cases last month? Do not really know anymore about it.
 Quoting: SOX


The thing is, they were threats against a specific, known individual, and that individual was also a target two days prior, "at this location."

The focus of the world was on Sandy Hook School - not St. Rose school. Most of the world didn't even know St. Rose school existed, much less have the rectory's number and know to threaten a specific individual working there.

It was a threat of continued shooting--directed at a person who had been the target of that same type of threat on 12/14.

Shortly after the church was evacuated, witnesses reported a man running out of a red Subaru carrying a "machine pistol." He ran into a field, heading toward the highway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48302906


Plasman and Sox really enjoy when the topic moves this way. It keeps the story away from the fact that it was indeed a drill. If they can keep you on a topic that involves some sort of terror in the area that means you believe someone died. That is the main goal, just make sure we steer the conversation away from the obvious fact that is was just a drill.
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We needn't be afraid of conversation-steering, so long as the facts of every theory are scrutinized. Regardless of whether, for example, the guy running from the red Subaru was part of a drill, or not part of a drill, examining that report (which I heard with my own ears in the police audio) will eventually expose it as either true or false.
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It is a flaw to say "nothing happened" and there is "nothing to be examined."

Time didn't cease to exist in Newtown on 12/14; real people did real things. We just don't know exactly what those real things were.

It might be more helpful to phrase it thus: What was happening in Sandy Hook, Newtown, CT at 9:00 a.m. 12/14/12? What was happening at 9:30 a.m.? And so on through the day. Because SOMETHING was happening. Finding the truth means finding what that something was. We don't have to go into it with any other focus than that.
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For example, it's Bob Nute's voice in the audio archived by RadioReference that day.

Bob Nute's voice is easy to identify, because it's that same voice on the dispatch audio in the weeks before 12/14, and every day since for the past year (I've been listening).

So that makes the question:

1. Was Bob Nute really in Newtown on 12/14 at 9:35 a.m.?
2. Was his dispatch at 9:35 a.m., archived by RadioReference, really generated at 9:35 a.m.?
3. If it was generated at 9:35 a.m. on 12/14/12, was he dispatching as part of a planned drill?
4. Did Bob Nute dispatch\ at 9:35 a.m. 12/14/12 because he really thought someone was shooting at Sandy Hook School?

Of course you could preface all of that by, "Does Bob Nute exist?" and so forth, and it's important to do so.
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But going through that fundamental series of questions, with every major Sandy Hook individual, helps sort out the likelihood of complete hoax, drill gone live, drill, real event, etc. Just as importantly, it help sort out each individual's role: genuine citizen, unwitting drill participant, witting drill participant, etc.
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It is a flaw to say "nothing happened" and there is "nothing to be examined."

Time didn't cease to exist in Newtown on 12/14; real people did real things. We just don't know exactly what those real things were.

It might be more helpful to phrase it thus: What was happening in Sandy Hook, Newtown, CT at 9:00 a.m. 12/14/12? What was happening at 9:30 a.m.? And so on through the day. Because SOMETHING was happening. Finding the truth means finding what that something was. We don't have to go into it with any other focus than that.
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You might want to look at the Westboro Baptist church group. They are on record they were going to cause a problem with the virgils and funerals. (St. Rose?)

Unbeknownst to the Baptists, the was also a group of motorcyclists standing by in the area just itching to bust some heads had this gone down. Can't blame them!

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Thread: Sandy Hook. Parents visit school. Just a theory.
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Somebody needs to say this over and over every few pages here.

PLASMAN'S ROLE IS TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY WANT EXCEPT:

1. THERE WAS NO ADAM LANZA
2. THERE WERE NO CRISIS ACTORS USED.

Everything else is just window-dressing, cock & bull, and page filling and salary collecting on his part.
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Please take "No" out of point 2 above.
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Somebody needs to say this over and over every few pages here.

PLASMAN'S ROLE IS TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY WANT EXCEPT:

1. THERE WAS NO ADAM LANZA
2. THERE WERE NO CRISIS ACTORS USED.

Everything else is just window-dressing, cock & bull, and page filling and salary collecting on his part.
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The list is linger than that.

PlasMan doesn't give a shit what you believe.

You are predominantly a room full of mental midgets. Being a tall midget here has very little useful value.
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Holy crap - just made a long post on something weird Vance said, and it immediately disappeared. Occurs to me that other threads with "Vance" in the title have also been vaporized. Note to self.
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Maybe it just hasn't shown up yet, but doesn't usually take this long.

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