Sandy Hook...SHHH....it IS STEPFORD, CT!

No lawsuits -- just mind-boggling. What are the surveillance cameras for? So, if there were none, wouldn't that be a liability. Have you seen some of the things that people sue school districts for? -- Yet no lawsuit against the Newtown school district in failing to protect your kid your kid from being mowed down by a crazed gunman? That's just bizarre. The school where I work is loaded with them, just like the front porch of my building and every intersection I turn onto. There is surveillance on all of us virtually every second, except for Lanza. The movie would be called "Adam Lanza's Day Off."

District can't be sued. Any lawsuit needs to be approved by the state before it can proceed and cause would need to be determined prior to approval. The town can't be sued unless the state thinks there's merit to the suit - chew on that for a while. A good friend and lawyer explained this to me a while back and it made no sense then, makes less now. The state will say the district did everything it was supposed to do.

There are no cameras there, never were. None at Hawley or Reed either. Maybe now there are but there weren't. There are very few anywhere in town.

The families all got $230k, the two surviving teachers (Hammond and Pisani) got $75k everybody else got crap. Hammond got $75k and has half a hand missing and a hole in her foot and still has to work for the rest of her life. She also got moved to another school. The Hockley mom got $230k and flies around the country with Nobama and Biden.

Justice....

Oh you can bet the actors got a LOT more than that under the table.

They must still be getting paid cuz they're all still here. Even the ones you've never seen are here 'just in case'

Tin foil hat getting a little tight?

Pozners are gone.

The whole Greenberg-Sexton clan is gone...including "The Phelpses."

Others as well.

Now I know your game.

Pozners are a very private family. I doubt they've included you in their intentions. The services were for family only. There were no deceased named Greenberg, Sexton or Phelps - they are/were all just fame whores. Unimportant people looking for cameras. The town had several others who loved the camera, do you want their names?

A better question is what is your game? I am only providing truth and insight to the discussion.

There were multiple indications.

One of the first officers inside the school broadcast, "Be advised: we should have multiple weapons, including long rifles and shotguns.'

It's clear from his wording that he is not looking at weapons, but evidence of weapons. To this day no official has acknowledged that officers inside the school saw evidence of shotgun use.

Officer Larry Penna stated that when he saw the suspect vehicle's doors both open (other witnesses report all four doors open), as well as two jackets on the ground, he assumed there were at least two shooters.

An officer in the Sandy Hook School parking lot broadcast to Riverside units that there was a second shooter or vehicle--his noun here is inaudible--to which a Riverside unit immediately responded: "Roger, any description?"

Someone--possibly a police officer--reported a van with armed men leaving the scene. This report was taken seriously by all officials.

Lead investigator Stephen Sedensky III says that many records pertaining to the case must be kept sealed, because releasing them would put witnesses risk.

Unless Sedensky is talking about the ghost of Adam Lanza, this means other potential suspects remain at large, or have been apprehended but still have enough communication ability to call in a hit.

I'm not sure why you'd say with confidence no one else is involved, when the lead investigator himself clearly doesn't believe that.

I appreciate all insight into the discussion--I don't care where it comes from, nor about any credentials. I'm interested in credentials, but I'll take the discussion either way.

I didn't see any evidence the Pozners are a private family. They have been uncommonly open and outspoken, from Veronique, to Lenny, to the older children, to the uncle. Probably more outspoken than any family other than the Sotos. They continue to be outspoken and have a large online presence at this very moment. I don't think any family has posted more photos of their child than the Pozners, though the Hockleys have posted quite a few.

The Pozner funeral wasn't for family only--I'm not sure why you'd say that.

I appreciate, again, the discussion but I'm just baffled at some of your statements.

I don't know - $20K isn't bad. I wouldn't call it crap, at any rate.

I say this with confidence because I was told it by Sedensky and the investigators in the Auditorium of Chalk Hill School in early March. I would argue the risk isn't for their safety but because many are minor children.

At the time of the event, they didn't know what they were looking for. There are always erroneous reports in the midst of chaos. Anybody in the woods is a potential 'shooter' for the media, the conspiracy theorists, the tin hat crew, etc. Conflicting assertions of what was 'seen'. The PEOPLE from the office say there was one shooter - I know them personally. They have maintained from the first minute there was a single shooter entering the building. You can piece it together any way you want and play a decent Magnum P.I. but it is all conjecture. You base you theories on supposition and deduction but they lack credible testimony from the people in the building - including children and adult survivors.

I mean, they were donations. No one should be that bitter about receiving donations. It's all money that was freely given. Obviously a death is extremely significant in magnitude, followed by a physical injury, followed by psychological injury.

I do think it's pretty hard to draw the line between "the twelve" and some others. I'm sure there are probably some parents who feel or know their child saw or heard something just as psychologically damaging as the twelve saw/may have seen.

"Credible" is subjective.

At least one student told his brother there were two shooters and that he was able to run away when one of them died.

Audra Barth's son told her bullets came into Roig's classroom from outside in the parking lot and the clasroom windows shattered and that's what made them run into the bathroom. That throws the entire story out of whack.

Larry Penna has NOT maintained there was single shooter from the first minute. He said flat out he thought there were two.

Police officers announce "shooter down" twice - the second time (and possibly the first as well) after yelling, "Clear!"

There's almost no question that officers dropped a shooter. Hard to tell whether they had to shoot one shooter twice, or whether they dropped two shooters.

Officers followed the assumption of multiple suspects well into the afternoon. If evidence at the school had overwhelmingly indicated a single shooter only they wouldn't have done this.

Radio traffic indicates police were aware of multiple shooters targeting specific individuals 12/14 & again 12/16. On 12/16, Fairfield Cty dispatch states the threat against St. Rose was to continue the shooting from two days ago "...at this location, against the person who's continuing to be the target." 12/18, a threat against Head O'Meadow school resulted in two adult females transported to Danbury hospital.

Multiple reports that multiple "parents" have moved from the area are all lies then??

Oh...and multiple reports those donation sites were up and running before the incident.

The officer's statement "...against the person who's continuing to be the target" is the single most damning piece of evidence available that police 1) knew there were multiple shooters 12/14, 2) knew some of them got away and 3) knew specific Newtown residents continued to be targeted.

To have covered up this danger to the public is inexcusable, and some day those who kept it from Newtown will be called on the carpet to explain what possible justification they had in failing to advise the public of an ongoing threat.

AC:
I don't know of a single family who has moved but maybe some have.
There is not a single piece of evidence( except maybe a doctored screenshot) to suggest the donation sites were up earlier than the shooting.
I am not familiar with the verbage of all the statements of police but I have never heard a single investigator or witness, and I know plenty of them, who has ever said there were multiple shooters.

All of the 'evidence' of multiple shooters appears to be tied to comments made during the chais while it was still unfolding. There's just nothing there.

"""Credible" is subjective.

At least one student told his brother there were two shooters and that he was able to run away when one of them died.

Audra Barth's son told her bullets came into Roig's classroom from outside in the parking lot and the clasroom windows shattered and that's what made them run into the bathroom. That throws the entire story out of whack.

Larry Penna has NOT maintained there was single shooter from the first minute. He said flat out he thought there were two.

Police officers announce "shooter down" twice - the second time (and possibly the first as well) after yelling, "Clear!"

There's almost no question that officers dropped a shooter. Hard to tell whether they had to shoot one shooter twice, or whether they dropped two shooters.

Officers followed the assumption of multiple suspects well into the afternoon. If evidence at the school had overwhelmingly indicated a single shooter only they wouldn't have done this.

Radio traffic indicates police were aware of multiple shooters targeting specific individuals 12/14 & again 12/16. On 12/16, Fairfield Cty dispatch states the threat against St. Rose was to continue the shooting from two days ago "...at this location, against the person who's continuing to be the target." 12/18, a threat against Head O'Meadow school resulted in two adult females transported to Danbury hospital.""
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I have to ask where you're from? Where are you getting all this from? I know it's not locally. I've been to countless events with all of these people and they are not saying what you're reporting here. Are you getting all this from the 'reliable internet'? Or is it being beamed directly into your tin hat?

I see Penna every Friday night at the HS Football Game. I'll ask him to verify your evidence......

Ignorance

Last Edited by PlasMan on 09/24/2013 02:05 PM

The police stated on December 16th that additional shooters still posed threats to people who were targeted December 14th.

It doesn't get summed up any better than in the police officer's own words:

12/16/12
12:34:10
Fairfield Cty Police Fire EMS
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Male: "The threat was to continue what happened two days ago at this location with the person who's being the target."

Shortly after the church was cleared, witnesses reported a man jumping out of a red Subaru carrying a "machine pistol" and running toward the highway.

Well, maybe Penna didn't know about the December 16th St. Rose threat. It was a conversation between two Fairfield Co. officers. It's in the public record.

The whole town knew about these threats. They were taken seriously at the time then later determined to be pranks. I think I remember them finding one of the kids making the calls.

Nothing else ever happened. It's a big county, a lot goes unreported.

Cops said there was an ongoing threat, continuing from 12/14, against a specific person who was at St. Rose mass 12/16.

Something else did happen. It was another shooter threat at Head O'Meadow, and two adult female staff were taken to the hospital.

Sorry - Head O'Meadow incident was 12/18.

The incident at Head O'Meadow begins around 8:50 a.m. EST with a caller giving some kind of threat; both the school and the police department are called using an anonymous Google Voice number. Officers descend on Head O'Meadow, divert parents, and an hour later dispatch calls for ambulances:


9:52:08 Male (82): "82 to all Head O'Meadow units: be advised they're cancelling school."
9:52:27 Male (faint): "You're almost there, roger."
9:52:45 Male: "Newtown ambulances […] standby […] dispatch."
9:52:53 [Tones]
9:53:10 Male: "…Newtown ambulances and medics: 94 Boggs Hill Rd, Head O'Meadow school, caller reports two female patients, unknown problem at this time; Newtown ambulances and medics, 94 Boggs Hill Rd, two female adult patients, unknown medical issue at this time. Ambulance priority response: time out 9:53."

Head O'Meadow opened a day late after an anonymous phone call. Nobody was injured because nothing happened.
I'm sure you can find something on the CREDIBLE internet saying otherwise but nothing happened.

Threat at church was same story. Anon phone call. Nothing happened.

Two women who worked at HOM were taken to the hospital. Your wife likely heard of it.

I'll check it out when she gets home.
I think I would have heard about this. All four of my children were already in school when the HOM Threat came in. Probably another internet ruse corroborated by a 'credible' transcript.....

Photos were posted of the Pozner house being cleaned out.

The home owned by two nationals (Zhiwen Ma and his wife) that housed "The Phelpses" has also been abandoned.

There are others....

The Newtown PD audio is public record. It's regular old Newtown dispatch calling for regular old rigs. It wasn't a ruse (at least the call wasn't), unless you're saying the two women faked their medical issues.

The greenberg/sexton/phelps thing is ridiculous. You're looking at images from the internet from a thousand miles away. They are not the same people.

I'm saying I never heard of any medical issue from that day. Maybe it was diarrhea..... I tell my kids to be skeptical and not to believe everything you hear/see.....there are two sides to this. My feeling on this is if something related to the shooting HAD occurred, I would know about it as member of the school community. That I didn't leads me to believe it was nothing. I don't pay attention to the police scanner so I'm sure there are multiple events per day of which I am unaware.