Sandy Hook...SHHH....it IS STEPFORD, CT!

I don't know you, nor do I ever desire to meet you!!!

TW, did you request the thread be deleted? If so, why did you only delete the thread with "PlasMan" in the title, and not the other thread posted about this problem today?

There are two threads saying you and PlasMan are the same guy--but you only deleted the one called "PlasMan is Troubled Waters."

Plasman there is no fucking way Lanza did this and there is not a shred of evidence on him either.

The Newtown Patch is heavily censoring any well rationalized fact based issues relating to the investigation.

I am not talking deleting whacky CTs like the hoax tards and Greenberg stories. They are censoring factual information.

I want to know if Manfredonia's daughter was in Roig's class. If that was the case how did he justify trying to find her on Crestwood where the cops nabbed him?

If she was in Roig's class it is a slam dunk he is guilty

by the way Plas I expect to be driving right through your neighborhood shortly

I didn't delete any of them. I never even saw them. I could delete them anyway, b/c they were not my threads.

Its just PlasMan playing his silly and evil games, trying to discredit me because I called him out as I shill

Did you mean that Krissy Haggerty called 911?

Stop in for a drink. I'll have Troubled Waters fetch us a couple of Mint Juleps....

Just asked wife and she says there is no child named Manfrdonia in Roig's class last year and no child named Manfredonia in the school this year. Could it be another last name?

I'd hardly consider "The Patch" a news source.

Lanza's body in the school kind of connects him to the crime.

Apparently Manfredonia has a 6 year old named Alexa- he definitely had a kid in the school the official story has him going there to make ginger bread houses. Ask your wife to double check and ascertain who's class she was in. She was certainly in somebody's class and if she was a first grader in a closet with her teacher.

The timeline does not support official story. Police in the school at 9:45 am had not located the shooter. 9:51 am "suspect down". Search warrant paragraph 5 has Lanza dead in Roussau's classroom so how did he get his dead body past all the cops in the hallway ?

Asked and answered. Could not have been her last name the way it's being told to me.

Telling of story I heard is Lanza ducked into romm as police entered hallway and fired final shot. It's on an open 911 line which is a lot different than decoded scanner traffic. from first shot to last is only a hair under 5 minutes and cops were in building for last shot. Why are you so sure of your timing? And also, this is a very small school, you're talking about 30-40 feet between classrooms. The entire length of the hallway - all the way to the K classes is only a couple hundred feet max.

Your wife would have worked with Georgeann last year, though.

Oh, I see. And, of course, you witnessed that too...


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Lanza's body in the school kind of connects him to the crime.

And did you ever hear what befell your wife's colleagues Decemeber 18th at HOM when they were taken away by ambulance, three days after the 12/14 shootings?

Either way, forcing Newtown PD to accept a 5 minute (you said 4 minute) shooting event condemns William Chapman to one of two scenarios:

1. Taking 17 minutes to find the body of Adam Lanza
2. Taking 17 minutes to take a child out after shooter dow

By your clock, the shooting was over at 9:39 a.m. or even earlier (because Nute dispatched a call at 9:35 a.m.).

NPD arrived at 9:39 a.m.

You're saying that Adam Lanza, a single shooter, was dead, and that it took Newtown officers 17 minutes to enter the school, with:

1. No one shooting at them,
2. A gaping hole to walk through in the front of the school
3. An unlocked boiler room door to walk in through
4. Soto's door wide open, with a rifle lying in doorway

You're saying NPD couldn't find Adam for 17 minutes? Or that they found Adam immediately--his dead body--and didn't call the ambulance for 17 minutes, as the child lay dying?

Unfortunately, this is making the minister's eulogy more believable. He stated that [this child] passed away in the arms of a police officer.

But I really don't think Chapman waited 17 minutes after shooter down. And I don't think it took him 17 minutes to find "Adam."

Either that, or the girl who died in the arms of a police officer was an injured child who was NEVER mentioned.

Chapman said he carried a girl out, alive, to Newtown ambulance A2. She did not die in his arms - Cathy Dahlmeyer said she and A2 crew "made sure she had circulation and was breathing."

The other child taken to Danbury was a boy (probably the one brought by police car to A3).

If another child died in a different officer's arms--in any officer's arms--that means there was a THIRD INJURED child who died at the school.

The official story has ALWAYS been that there were only two injured children.

The girl Chapman carried out had bled out and was ashen. There is a photo of Chapman carrying her out, but no one will ever see it.

She still had a pulse when found and numerous gunshot wounds, at least one being in the head. It is not unusual for a healthy person still having a pulse for a few minutes, but basically she was dead.

She had a terrible wound in the trunk of her body and Chapman was making sure that emt's would keep presure on that area for the ride to the hospital.

Last Edited by SOX on 10/11/2013 06:48 PM

I agree she was ashen, but Cathy Dahlmeyer stated:

"The ambulance is racing down Interstate 84 to Danbury Hospital. The crew administers trauma care to make sure the child is breathing and she has circulation. Dahlmeyer is on her feet, shifting around and administering treatment."

[link to www.mysanantonio.com]

It's also clear that the girl carried out by Chapman is not Olivia Engel.

As far as only two photos known of children being escorted from school, a lot of those police units would have Mobile Video Recorders which would have been activated when the overhead lights were turned on.

You would have different viewpoints from different units early on in the event, depending on the direction the PD unit was facing. Chances of seeing any of this is probably moot.

Both the photograph, and news reports, support that child being the one named as one of the first victims:

"[Name] seven, was named as one of the first victims of the Connecticut shooting on Friday

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

"[Name] aged six, died in hospital after being shot at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut"

[link to www.news.com.au]

It is unfortunately necessary to examine these details to show where the official story falls apart. Whatever happened at Sandy Hook could happen to ANY of us, to our children, and we can't possibly hope to prevent it if we're being lied to about what happened. It is high time for those misrepresenting the truth to do the last remaining honorable thing possible, and tell what really happened.

Shannon Hicks was there for a significant duration; yet only a handful of children are shown coming out.

I do think many of them may have already run out of the building before officers got there, and may also have been hiding in the building for a LONG time before officers found them.

Again, and again, the failure to get ambulances down to the scene rears its head. Police had no idea, for hours, what children were missing, who had been scooped up by parents, or who could be bleeding in a closet somewhere. Ambulances should have been standing by.

The sad fact is that after a point--even as Ms. Pisani waited endlessly in triage--no ambulance could make it through the roadblock.

I read the Daily Mail UK link above and there is misinformation. They say Soto ushered some of the children into the closet. There is no closets in Soto's classroom. Ask any Newtown mother. The younger grades did have bathrooms in their classrooms.

Can someone ANYONE actually prove ANY of this stuff?

Some poster saying there is a photo we will never see hardly acts as proof?!?!?!?

I agree that misinformation plagues the press - however, the girl the Daily Mail describes as dying in hospital physically resembles the girl Chapman carried out (and does not resemble the Engels' child).

Both the Mail and the Australian paper describe the early victim as this girl, and the photo, in turn, supports these reports.

Finally, the pastor's statement at the Engel funeral supports the concept that that child was someone other than Olivia Engel.

So all of those things suggest there were two injured girls, both of whom were alive when police arrived.

It is looking more and more like most of Soto's kids ran out of the room; I'm not sure what the closet thing is about, unless they mean bathroom (water closet).

But that may be moot, since, with the exception of the Soriano and Haddick boys, all survivors were thought to have seen the shooter. The following survivor families signed the privacy petition to Malloy:

Hugo & Elizabeth Rojas (Soto's class)

Dan & Barb Tarpey (Soto's class)

Robert & Diane Licata (Soto's class)

Peter & Carolina Salamy (Soto's class)

Tony & Susie Ehrens (Soto's class)

Dave & Carly Posey (Soto's class)

Christopher & Michele Olam (Soto's class)

Christy & Rob Hatcher (Rousseau's class)

Stacey & Scott Lavelle (Soto's class)

Steve & Jennifer Maksel (Soto's class)

The Soriano and Haddick families didn't sign; unsure why.

All together, that makes 12 surviving children--one from Rousseau's class, and 11 from Soto's.

It's also possible that the Soriano and Haddick boys were not at school that day, and that there are two children from Roig's class (or somewhere else in the school) who are listed as witnesses.

All of this information is public, and provided by the families. None of it comes from private sources. All of the above families, with the exception of the two listed, signed a petition to Gov. Malloy and it is clear they weren't trying to keep their identities a secret any longer (nor was Ms. Pisani at that point, whose son signed the petition).

Oh. Right. Yeah sure.

True. We just have to take everyones word for it. Which is why it is basically just a story.

Just an event with a story. No evidence.

I would like to hear from Peter Lanza to see if he is pressing charges on the Newtown Police Department.

The photographer was Shannon Hicks who took the photo of P/O Chapman carrying the dying girl out. You are correct. We only have her word for it, and that she says she will never release the photo.

However, the police were screaming for a bus, (ambulance) shortly before 10am. If you believe the Gov of Connecticut, 2 children were transported to area hospitals,(DOA) 18 children DOA at scene.

Who the child was Chapman carried out, I have no idea, but I believe it was a female.

Last Edited by SOX on 10/11/2013 09:27 PM

You know what would be weird is if these secret groups can actually summon demons to do their bidding to create *events* thru strong mental telepathy in union.