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EvolutionVsGod.com has a free 38 minute film in which various evolutionists such as a PhD/associate college professor of Anthropology at UCLA, a PhD/professor of biological sciences and anthropology at USC, a PhD/professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at UCLA and PhD/associate professor of biology at Universiy of Minnesota Morris/famous blogger PZ Myers appear to be stumped by some challenging questions. It's an interesting movie and I recommend you check it out.

In observing responses to the movie, I saw lots of evolutionists mocking but I didn't see one person who answered the questions that apparently stumped the evolutionists. Accusations began to fly: The claim is that in his previous films, the evangelist had edited responses to questions to make the interviewees look bad. Thus the claim is that the stumped evolutionists in this film had simply been edited unfairly.

To which I replied, "OK, I'm sure we'll see a statement from PZ Myers soon explaining how he was misrepresented*, but what about you? Can you answer the questions?" The response often was, "What were the questions?"

Me: "I hadn't written them down so I didn't recall them. But you can see them again if you watch the movie."

Them: "No, I'm not watching that (blankety-blank)." (Which sounds dishonest, but I'll let that pass for now.)


* PZ Myers did claim he was misrepresented: [link to freethoughtblogs.com] But without substantiation. If he gave fuller answers during the interview, I'd like to see them, but he did not: [link to www.google.com (secure)]


So I promised to write down the questions from the film. And by the way, I don't pass any judgment on the quality of these questions. Maybe they're fallacious, and you can help demonstrate that. But before you answer, some simple rules to keep everyone honest.

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* You must give a direct answer to every question or you've failed. Yes, some questions appear to be repeats but please answer them all as they are all slightly different.

* If you give an answer such as "It's not possible to know that" (or something similar) to any question you fail to demonstrate the validity of your worldview. Try harder before posting.

* You agree to the principles in this flowchart or you've failed: [link to www.jacoballee.com]

* You may not commit any logical fallacies or you've failed. Here is a list of some well-known fallacies. [link to www.informationisbeautiful.net] There may be others that I am not currently aware of.


If you don't agree with these rules, don't answer. If Darwinian macro evolution does occur in nature, these questions can be answered without resorting to cheating or underhanded rhetoric to uphold it. Right? I'm sure you'll agree these are fair rules.

Items beginning with an asterisk '*' are questions, and items beginning with an equal sign '=' are important statements which do not require an answer, but which inform the next question, so they must be read and understood.

OK, go!


= "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence." ~Richard Dawkins

= "Live Science" says of Darwinian evolution: "It can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans and amphibious mammals into whales."

* Do you believe in evolution?

* Do you think it's a belief?

* When did you start to believe?

* Are you a strong believer in evolution?

= A scientific method is based on "the collection of data through observation and experimentation..." ~Science Daily

* Could you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true? Something I don't have to receive by faith. Remember, events that occured 65 million years ago can't be observed. If you say "fossil record," please be specific: Give one example.

= "We are condemned to live only for a few decades and that’s too slow, too small a time scale to see evolution going on." ~Richard Dawkins

= "We see nothing of these slow changes in progress, until the hand of time has marked the lapse of ages..." ~Charles Darwin

* You've got the the canine 'kind' with the coyote and the domestic dog, and there's the feline 'kind' which is the cats, the tiger and the kitten and you've got humankind. So, Darwin said there would be a change of 'kinds' over many years so could you give me one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kinds'? I don't want something I have to accept by faith. I want it to be observable. I don't want to have to have faith in the experts, I want to observe it myself. Can you give one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kind'?

* Did we have lungs or gills when we came out of the sea?

* The scientific method must be observable and repeatable, so could you give me one piece of observable evidence for Darwinian evolution, not adaptation or speciation, but a change of kinds? If you say "stickleback fish", you must specify what other 'kind' have they become. These have remained as fish. Remember, Lenski's bacteria are still bacteria. The Galapagos finches are still finches. Their change in beak is adaptation, not Darwinian evolution. There's no different animal involved. I want something which shows me Darwin's belief in the change of kinds is scientific. Can you give me anything that I can see, observe, and test, which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution which is a change of kinds, so that I don't have to exercise faith?

* If you cannot offer any observable evidence for Darwinian (macro, change in 'kind') evolution, how do you know it's true?

* No professor or biology major in the film was able to give observable evidence of a change in 'kind'. Therefore, Darwinian evolution (a change in 'kind') is un-observable. You need millions of years. If Darwinian evolution is not observable, is it scientific?

* You're trusting that the biology majors and professors know what they're talking about and they can't even give evidence of a change of kinds. Do you realize that's called 'blind faith'? Remember, "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence." ~Richard Dawkins

* Do you believe in intelligent design?

* How would you make a rose? A rose has a seed so you've got to start from nothing. Could you make a rose from nothing?

* No professor or biology major in the film was able to claim they were able to make a rose from nothing. For the purposes of this thread, I am going to assume you cannot, either. So if you say there is no intelligent design, where does that leave you on the scale of intelligence if you can't even make a rose?

= "The coccyx vertebrae is an extremely important source of attachment for tendons, ligaments and muscles..." ~Laser Spine Institute

= For years, the appendix "...was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults... Among adult humans, the appendix is now thought to be involved primarily in immune functions." ~Scientific American

= My note: This link discusses erector pili/most body hair and male nipples. [link to www.livescience.com] As a married man I have found a use for male nipples. If you know what I mean. (Ahem.) And I can certainly see that the organ would likely be present on a baby in the womb before its sex is selected with hormones, as the genetalia are identical before selection. Erector pili/most body hair I'm not so certain about. It's hardly earth-shattering evidence but I would like to read more. The first thought that comes to mind is that they're useful for sweat and a slight amount of warmth.

* So could you give me an example of vestigial organs? (I believe it is implied he is asking about human organs.)

* Skeptic websites often examples of famous atheists in an attempt to win converts. But more often than not, the famous personalities cited are not atheists. Aside from Earnest Hemingway (listed in the video), Can you think of any famous atheists which you can validate have never made a statement attesting to their belief in a deity? (At 18:32 in the video, quotes from Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Charles Dawrwin show clearly they are/were not atheists. For the sake of brevity I will not list them here.)

= No professor or biology major in the film was able to give an example of a famous atheist. Ray said, "It is important to know that even though some of these men claim to believe in God, that doesn't mean they are believers in the one true Creator revealed in the Scriptures, or that they're genuine Christians. However, when atheists use theists or agnostics to promote their godless agenda, they're being dishonest. Then again, coming from those who claim that morality is relative to each person, convenient dishonesty should not be a surprise."

* Do you believe in moral absolutes?

* Is rape always wrong?

= PZ Myers essentially answered yes, so the evangelist stated therefore there are moral absolutes.

* So who makes the rules?

* PZ Myers stated that we make the rules. I am going to assume you will say the same. If you did not, no need to answer this question, just ponder it: So if Hitler made the rules and he had the majority, he makes the rules?

= "Evolution is a very harsh and cruel process." ~PZ Myers

* Did Hitler put into practice survival of the fittest? Such as the lion eating the antelope.

* Your pet dog (or insert other beloved pet) and your rotten neighbor are drowning. You can only save one of them. Which would you save?

* The biology majors all chose to save the dog. I am going to assume you will say the same. If you did not, no need to answer this question, just ponder it: So you think dogs are more valuable than human beings?

= "Any fetus is less human than an adult pig." ~Richard Dawkins

* If you believe in evolution it's just a matter of survival of the fittest. Your neighbor's a primate and you've got a canine, and you like the canine more than you like the primate. If the grouchy neighbor drowns, he drowns. Survival of the fittest. Would that be correct?

* Are you an atheist who thinks God doesn't exist?

* An atheist in the movie stated that after we die we cease to exist. Ray Comfort said, "If you were a car and your motor were turned off that would be right, that's inanimate. But you're a living, biological human being with the life of God in you. .. Is there no life in you?" Atheist: "Yes there's life in me." "That's your soul." If you agree with the atheist, how do you know?

* Are you a good person? If there's a heaven, will you make it there?

* How many lies have you told in your whole life?

* What would you call me if I told lots of lies? You'd call me a liar, wouldn't you?

* So what does that make you if you've told lies?

* Have you ever stolen anything in your whole life even if it's small?

* That's called theft. So what are you?

* Have you ever used God's name in vain?

= That's called blasphemy, and it's very serious to use God's name as a cuss word. One atheist said he doesn't believe in God so it's not blaspheming. Ray responded, "Well, if I don't believe in certain laws and still violate them, ignorance of the law is no excuse. So we're still guilty even though we deny a law exists or even don't know about it."

* Jesus said that if you look upon a woman with lust in your heart you've committed adultery. Have you ever looked at another person with lust, such as with pornography?

= If you answered yes to those questions (and I don't know anyone who honestly can't answer anything but yes, myself included), to quote the evangelist, "then by your own admission you're a lying, theiving, blasphemous adulterer-at-heart, and that's only four of the Ten Commandments. Just not believing in hell won't make it go away. A judge must see that justice is done if he's a good judge, and it's the same with God. If we die in our sins God will give us justice. The Bible says that no theif, no liar, no fornicator, no blasphemer, no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God. So if you died in your sins but God gave you justice, because He's holy and perfect morally, you'd end up in hell, and I'd hate that to happen to you."

* Would you sell one of your eyes for one million dollars? Both for 100 million dollars?

= Most would say "no." Your eyes are precious to you. How much more precious is your life?

= "Now let me tell you something you know intuitively. You know that creation is proof of the Creator, God has given you that inner light. So when you look at the genius of God's creative hand, you know God exists because of creation, and the reason you choose evolution is because it gets rid of moral accountability. Evolution lets you believe that lust and theiving are just primal instincts; You're just an animal. The Bible demands moral accountability and says those things are wrong and that's why it's not acceptable to you. That's why you're not seeking after truth. Am I wrong?" ~Ray Comfort (The biology major sighed, paused, and said, "I think you're wrong.")

= "You are a unique human being, made in the image of God with a sense of justice and truth and righteousness. God gave you a conscience. It's inherent. It's shaped by society but it's inherent. You know right from wrong. You've violated His law and I don't want you to end up in hell."

= To a struggling college student: "James, if you put your finger on it, and see if we can, your struggle at the moment is because of your love for sin, because of the pleasure that sin gives you and you don't want to give it up. You're like a man with a money belt filled with gold who's just fallen into the ocean. I'm saying, if you don't get rid of that belt which weighs 80 pounds it's going to take you under. Doesn't matter how much pleasure it gives you, it's not worth losing your life for."

= To a college professor: "You're not a beast. You're a human being created by God in His image with dignity and worth and purpose."

* Do you know what God did for guilty sinners so we wouldn't have to go to hell?

= "God became a human being 2,000 years ago, Jesus of Nazareth, and He suffered and died on a cross, taking the punishment for the sin of the world. You and I violated God's law and Jesus paid our fine. That means God can legally dismiss our case because of the suffering, death and resurrection of the Savior. God can say, 'You're out of here' because someone paid your fine." ~Ray Comfort

= "And then what God can now do is clothe us in the righteousness of Christ, so on Judgment Day you're safe from God's wrath and His justice, because of the death and resurrection of the Savior. If you repent and trust in Him, God will give you a righteous standing in His eyes. He'll wash away your sins in an instant, and He'll grant you everlasting life. His last words on the cross were, 'It is finished.' In other words the debt has been paid. He came to take our punishment upon Himself. So because our fine was paid by another, God can legally dismiss your case." ~Ray Comfort

* Does that make sense? (He was not asking if they believed it, just if the statements made a logical connection.)

* When are you going to die?

= "God knows the exact moment of your death. It could be today, it could be tomorrow. I'm not using scare tactics, this is just straight reality. 150,000 people die every 24 hours, and they were no doubt all making plans for next week, so please think about this." ~Ray Comfort

= "I'm not talking about a religion that says you have to strive to get to heaven, I'm telling you that the Bible says heaven is a free gift of God. You cannot earn everlasting life, doesn't matter how religious you are, how good you are. 'God commended His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.' And then he rose from the dead and defeated death." ~Ray Comfort

= "This is how the Bible puts it: 'For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.' So eternal life is a free gift of God, and it comes because of God's mercy not because of anything we do." ~Ray Comfort

* Does that make sense?

= "I've been reading the Bible at home for over 40 years. There's no mistakes in it. Any mistakes that we think are in it are our mistakes, and you can trust God's Word. Think of how you trust professors and science books that tell you you're a primate? You trust and believe that so how much more should you trust a God who cannot lie?" ~Ray Comfort

* Are you going to think about this?

= "Soften your heart. Don't have so much blind faith in what science tells you and it's left you without any knowledge of what was in the beginning anyway. You haven't got a clue where you come from, you don't know what you're doing here on earth and you don't know what happens after you die."

* Could you be wrong about God's existence?

= An atheist responded, "Yes, but could you be wrong about God's existence?" "No." "Well then I think you're rather closed-minded." "Well if I said to you, could you be wrong about your wife's existence you'd say, "No, I know her. Don't be ridiculous. I know her and love her. And I know the Lord and I love the Lord, and He transformed my life 41 years ago, instantly, overnight, forgave my sins and gave me new desires when I had no desires or thoughts of God for the whole 22 years before I was a Christian."

= "The problem with those who are unable to see evolution, I think, is they don't have imaginations." ~Gail E. Kennedy, PhD, Associate college professor of Anthropology at UCLA

= "Human beings are still fish." ~PZ Myers

* Are you a talking primate?

* Are you a cousin of bananas?

= "I'm accepting that they did their science correctly." ~Biology major

= "I'm going to trust what those experts did, those experts came up with." ~Physics major

= "Darwinian evolution rests on faith. And once again, according to Richard Dawkins, 'Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.' Darwinian evolution requires great faith. The knowledge of God, however, is clearly seen by all mankind. 'For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.' (Romans 1:20-22)" ~Ray Comfort

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This guy on Twitter offered answers to these questions:
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Good thread, nicely laid out.

I especially like the insistence on answering one question before moving on to another, as this is the most common diversionary tactic. The tu quoque fallacy is very prevalent as well.

A skit I made up on this topic: [link to smg.photobucket.com]
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RULES
* You must give a direct answer to every question or you've failed. Yes, some questions appear to be repeats but please answer them all as they are all slightly different.

christians FAIL

* If you give an answer such as "It's not possible to know that" (or something similar) to any question you've failed.

christians FAIL

* You agree to the principles in this flowchart or you've failed: [link to www.jacoballee.com]

christians FAIL

* You may not commit any logical fallacies or you've failed. Here is a list of some well-known fallacies. [link to www.informationisbeautiful.net] There may be others that I am not currently aware of.

christians FAIL
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christians FAIL on all counts.

"but what about christians? Can they answer the questions?" The response often was, "Where are the thumbscrews?"
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what is your answer besides "God did it"?
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No one has time to play your faggy games.

It shouldn't be evolution vs God. Both can coexist.

Evolution is a fact. Hell, we evolve from sperm and an egg to a full grown person. Life's origin is a mystery and forever will be to the living.
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No one has time to play your faggy games.

It shouldn't be evolution vs God. Both can coexist.

Evolution is a fact. Hell, we evolve from sperm and an egg to a full grown person. Life's origin is a mystery and forever will be to the living.
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Evolution is against science: [link to scienceagainstevolution.info]

Growing from a fertilized egg is NOT evolution, and no evo scientist would back up your claim that it is.

As for "mystery", you won't let creationists use that excuse, so you can't use it either. You "just believe" that the first substances appeared out of nothing for no reason, and you have blind faith that these magical things turned into everything from frogs to princes. Blind faith.
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No one has time to play your faggy games.

It shouldn't be evolution vs God. Both can coexist.

Evolution is a fact. Hell, we evolve from sperm and an egg to a full grown person. Life's origin is a mystery and forever will be to the living.
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Evolution is against science: [link to scienceagainstevolution.info]

Growing from a fertilized egg is NOT evolution, and no evo scientist would back up your claim that it is.

As for "mystery", you won't let creationists use that excuse, so you can't use it either. You "just believe" that the first substances appeared out of nothing for no reason, and you have blind faith that these magical things turned into everything from frogs to princes. Blind faith.
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First of all, my concept of evolution has jack shit to do with evolutionists. So shut the fuck up. Second of all, the definition of evolution is the gradual development of something from a simple to a more complex form, ie the sperm. Third, how would you have any idea of my beliefs of evolution and any other metaphysical beliefs? You don't know me, I haven't shared my beliefs. Evolution has occured and does occur. Whether it started life as we know it, I have no idea and I'm not even prepared to fathom a guess because that is a mystery to great for man to decode.

Now get your head out of your ass, open your mind, and prepare for differing ideas they may not comply with your idiotic ramblings. Stop "judging" me based on what you think you know about other people. You know just as much as I know about life after death and the beginning of reality.
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No one has time to play your faggy games.

It shouldn't be evolution vs God. Both can coexist.

Evolution is a fact. Hell, we evolve from sperm and an egg to a full grown person. Life's origin is a mystery and forever will be to the living.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35585142


Evolution is against science: [link to scienceagainstevolution.info]

Growing from a fertilized egg is NOT evolution, and no evo scientist would back up your claim that it is.

As for "mystery", you won't let creationists use that excuse, so you can't use it either. You "just believe" that the first substances appeared out of nothing for no reason, and you have blind faith that these magical things turned into everything from frogs to princes. Blind faith.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


First of all, my concept of evolution has jack shit to do with evolutionists. So shut the fuck up. Second of all, the definition of evolution is the gradual development of something from a simple to a more complex form, ie the sperm. Third, how would you have any idea of my beliefs of evolution and any other metaphysical beliefs? You don't know me, I haven't shared my beliefs. Evolution has occured and does occur. Whether it started life as we know it, I have no idea and I'm not even prepared to fathom a guess because that is a mystery to great for man to decode.

Now get your head out of your ass, open your mind, and prepare for differing ideas they may not comply with your idiotic ramblings. Stop "judging" me based on what you think you know about other people. You know just as much as I know about life after death and the beginning of reality.
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Wow the hate coming off this response is very telling. The fact that evolutionists turn to hate and cursing when the discussion is even brought up....just wow.
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No one has time to play your faggy games.

It shouldn't be evolution vs God. Both can coexist.

Evolution is a fact. Hell, we evolve from sperm and an egg to a full grown person. Life's origin is a mystery and forever will be to the living.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35585142


Evolution is against science: [link to scienceagainstevolution.info]

Growing from a fertilized egg is NOT evolution, and no evo scientist would back up your claim that it is.

As for "mystery", you won't let creationists use that excuse, so you can't use it either. You "just believe" that the first substances appeared out of nothing for no reason, and you have blind faith that these magical things turned into everything from frogs to princes. Blind faith.
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First of all, my concept of evolution has jack shit to do with evolutionists. So shut the fuck up. Second of all, the definition of evolution is the gradual development of something from a simple to a more complex form, ie the sperm. Third, how would you have any idea of my beliefs of evolution and any other metaphysical beliefs? You don't know me, I haven't shared my beliefs. Evolution has occured and does occur. Whether it started life as we know it, I have no idea and I'm not even prepared to fathom a guess because that is a mystery to great for man to decode.

Now get your head out of your ass, open your mind, and prepare for differing ideas they may not comply with your idiotic ramblings. Stop "judging" me based on what you think you know about other people. You know just as much as I know about life after death and the beginning of reality.
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Wow the hate coming off this response is very telling. The fact that evolutionists turn to hate and cursing when the discussion is even brought up....just wow.
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Not an evolutionist.

You're pretty quick to judge.
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No one has time to play your faggy games.

It shouldn't be evolution vs God. Both can coexist.

Evolution is a fact. Hell, we evolve from sperm and an egg to a full grown person. Life's origin is a mystery and forever will be to the living.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35585142


Evolution is against science: [link to scienceagainstevolution.info]

Growing from a fertilized egg is NOT evolution, and no evo scientist would back up your claim that it is.

As for "mystery", you won't let creationists use that excuse, so you can't use it either. You "just believe" that the first substances appeared out of nothing for no reason, and you have blind faith that these magical things turned into everything from frogs to princes. Blind faith.
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Christians arguing that if it didn't happen in your lifetime you can't prove it......really need to look in the mirror and realize the foot-in-the mouth idiocy.
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First of all, my concept of evolution has jack shit to do with evolutionists. So shut the fuck up. Second of all, the definition of evolution is the gradual development of something from a simple to a more complex form, ie the sperm. Third, how would you have any idea of my beliefs of evolution and any other metaphysical beliefs? You don't know me, I haven't shared my beliefs. Evolution has occured and does occur. Whether it started life as we know it, I have no idea and I'm not even prepared to fathom a guess because that is a mystery to great for man to decode.

Now get your head out of your ass, open your mind, and prepare for differing ideas they may not comply with your idiotic ramblings. Stop "judging" me based on what you think you know about other people. You know just as much as I know about life after death and the beginning of reality.
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You failed to specify that you had some personal, private, unique "evolution" of your own, and you posted in a thread that you say has nothing to do with what you believe. Try and make sense of that. And your idea of what other people mean by evolution is something they would never agree to, which I already told you.

And if you can show evidence that I judged YOU, then you need new eyeballs.
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No one has time to play your faggy games.

It shouldn't be evolution vs God. Both can coexist.

Evolution is a fact. Hell, we evolve from sperm and an egg to a full grown person. Life's origin is a mystery and forever will be to the living.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35585142


Evolution is against science: [link to scienceagainstevolution.info]

Growing from a fertilized egg is NOT evolution, and no evo scientist would back up your claim that it is.

As for "mystery", you won't let creationists use that excuse, so you can't use it either. You "just believe" that the first substances appeared out of nothing for no reason, and you have blind faith that these magical things turned into everything from frogs to princes. Blind faith.
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Christians arguing that if it didn't happen in your lifetime you can't prove it......really need to look in the mirror and realize the foot-in-the mouth idiocy.
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I don't know any Christians that make that argument, so you're burning a straw man.
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First of all, my concept of evolution has jack shit to do with evolutionists. So shut the fuck up. Second of all, the definition of evolution is the gradual development of something from a simple to a more complex form, ie the sperm. Third, how would you have any idea of my beliefs of evolution and any other metaphysical beliefs? You don't know me, I haven't shared my beliefs. Evolution has occured and does occur. Whether it started life as we know it, I have no idea and I'm not even prepared to fathom a guess because that is a mystery to great for man to decode.

Now get your head out of your ass, open your mind, and prepare for differing ideas they may not comply with your idiotic ramblings. Stop "judging" me based on what you think you know about other people. You know just as much as I know about life after death and the beginning of reality.
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You failed to specify that you had some personal, private, unique "evolution" of your own, and you posted in a thread that you say has nothing to do with what you believe. Try and make sense of that. And your idea of what other people mean by evolution is something they would never agree to, which I already told you.

And if you can show evidence that I judged YOU, then you need new eyeballs.
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If I find evidence, I need new eyeballs?

"As for "mystery", you won't let creationists use that excuse, so you can't use it either. You "just believe" that the first substances appeared out of nothing for no reason, and you have blind faith that these magical things turned into everything from frogs to princes. Blind faith."

Non of which I have ever said. "You have blind faith." I never stated my faith.
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Two sides of the same Sword.

Both Wrong.
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i believe our human DNA has been tampered with by other beings not from earth due to the quickness at which we 'evolved' from apes.

But animals did come from evolution
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Two sides of the same Sword.

Both Wrong.
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Anythings possible.
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Two sides of the same Sword.

Both Wrong.
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Anythings possible.
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We want truth to be simple, like ONE god, or from ONE cell, when in fact the truth is beyond our comprehension and life is so much more mysterious than we can ever imagine. The more we know, the more complex it is.
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Two sides of the same Sword.

Both Wrong.
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Anythings possible.
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We want truth to be simple, like ONE god, or from ONE cell, when in fact the truth is beyond our comprehension and life is so much more mysterious than we can ever imagine. The more we know, the more complex it is.
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Couldn't agree more.

When, and if, we ever find the answer, we will know its the answer. There wont be a doubt in anyone's mind because of the absolute brilliance the actual truth is.
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I would like to clarify and redirect the second rule to be more of a guideline: If you give an answer such as "It's not possible to know that" (or something similar) to any question you fail to demonstrate the validity of your worldview. Try harder before posting.

I've already updated the original post.
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I would like to clarify and redirect the second rule to be more of a guideline: If you give an answer such as "It's not possible to know that" (or something similar) to any question you fail to demonstrate the validity of your worldview. Try harder before posting.

I've already updated the original post.
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If it is not possible to answer a question, its not possible to answer it, whether or not it supports your argument is irrelevant.
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I have given answers to some of the questions, I may do more later but am hungry right now...

* Do you believe in evolution?
- I believe evolution offers the best and best and only useful explanation of the evidence and observations

* Do you think it's a belief?
- If belief means: "An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists" then yes, but it is not limited to this one definition


* When did you start to believe?
- When I learned about it


* Are you a strong believer in evolution?
- "Strong believer" implies something more than reasoned acceptance, I would say that I am highly convinced by the evidence

* Could you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true? Something I don't have to receive by faith. Remember, events that occurred 65 million years ago can't be observed. If you say "fossil record," please be specific: Give one example.
- There is a process in medicine that occurs when a new virus is discovered and doctors don't know how to treat the unfortunately inflicted patient, so they use the evolutionary tree and place the virus on the tree where they think it should be based on its genetic makeup and other factors... From doing this they are able to identify what treatments are most likely to be effective. This is done because it is uncannily useful and accurate, if common decent was not true this would not work, and cures to viruses would not be as readily available.

* You've got the canine 'kind' with the coyote and the domestic dog, and there's the feline 'kind' which is the cats, the tiger and the kitten and you've got humankind. So, Darwin said there would be a change of 'kinds' over many years so could you give me one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kinds'? I don't want something I have to accept by faith. I want it to be observable. I don't want to have to have faith in the experts, I want to observe it myself. Can you give one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kind'?
- The 'Large-blotched Salamander' is a good example of a species that has evolved within our lifetime to the point where genetic drift has meant that the newest generations are not genetically compatible enough to procreate with others of the same species that for many years have been apart.
This answers the question to a point but really the question is asking for something that evolution does not state... For example a dog will always produce dogs, which is why humans are apes and both humans and dogs are mammals.

* The scientific method must be observable and repeatable, so could you give me one piece of observable evidence for Darwinian evolution, not adaptation or speciation, but a change of kinds? If you say "stickleback fish", you must specify what other 'kind' have they become. These have remained as fish. Remember, Lenski's bacteria are still bacteria. The Galapagos finches are still finches. Their change in beak is adaptation, not Darwinian evolution. There's no different animal involved. I want something which shows me Darwin's belief in the change of kinds is scientific. Can you give me anything that I can see, observe, and test, which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution which is a change of kinds, so that I don't have to exercise faith?
- Apes to humans.
Speciation is an aspect of evolution, if evolution were not true then speciation would not occur.

* Do you believe in intelligent design?
No

* How would you make a rose? A rose has a seed so you've got to start from nothing. Could you make a rose from nothing?
Magic, I would use magic

* No professor or biology major in the film was able to claim they were able to make a rose from nothing. For the purposes of this thread, I am going to assume you cannot, either. So if you say there is no intelligent design, where does that leave you on the scale of intelligence if you can't even make a rose?
As I don't believe that roses were created by an intelligence, not being able to make one "from nothing" does not reflect my intelligence. If anything it would reflect my level of omnipotence

* So could you give me an example of vestigial organs? (I believe it is implied he is asking about human organs.)
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Eh why was i with a shoulder arm heavy blob shooter in n or s korea somewhere nah
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