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Sleep-Paralysis (Hypnagogia) Shadow-Beings Theory

 
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Sleep-Paralysis (Hypnagogia) Shadow-Beings Theory
Disclaimer: These are personal experiences I am basing this following theory upon, and I am by no means an expert.

Today once I returned home, I decided to lay down. once I noticed myself getting sleepy, I decided to not fight it and got into a comfortable position. upon doing such, shortly after I started going into Sleep-paralysis or Hypnagogia. I am familiar with this state of being, only more recently with it's scientific name, so I welcome it when it comes (Had a experience as a child which bought this about).

As I'm entering this state, I am semi-aware I'm in the state and semi-not. so, I have a pillow under my left side I decide to put behind me to get more comfortable, but as I left it up with my left hand (I am having no visuals at this point, so what follows is what I am feeling) the pillow just floats off and my left arm feel's weightless as if being pulled up, but gently. that kind of kicked in to my thoughts that it was sleep paralysis.

Now the interesting part...
I heard foot steps behind me, and not being able to see anything I was a little uneasy but quickly calmed down and rolled with it. the foot-steps walk into my room then out. next I start experiencing several (I believe about 3 in succession) dream experiences, all of which felt a little more tangible than "normal" dreams, all of which dealt with thoughts I've been running over in my head lately.

Now, we all hear/heard of "Shadow Beings" and majority of the time they are given a negative interpretation. what if these Shadow beings are merely the "Charon's" of these realms, and they are tasked with aiding individuals to cross from "regular" dimensions (whichever dimension a being may be defaulted in) into other realms? So then, the normal question of "Then why are they so damn scary and just stand there?" maybe these "Charon's" aren't payed in coins as in Greek Mythology, what if they are payed in "emotions" (Energy-in-Motion)?

We are all familiar with the belief that "Love" and "Fear" are 2 of the strongest emotions that us Human's can produce. what if "Fear" is an intoxicant, similar to alcohol to these beings and that's what/why they seem to "blank out" when we see them and began to broadcast fear? what if Love or indifference is the correct emotions these beings prefer to accept as currency to ferry people across dimensional boarders? if this is accurate, then it would explain the shadow entities who seem to be only intent on scary the socks off of us, and these type of shadow beings could simply be the equivalent to drunks in our realm, who crave the "Fear"(Intoxicating) emotion so much, they began to just travel around and solicit this emotion to get "drunk".

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Figured it was worth a posting here to trade ideas and thoughts on this.
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The one I met late one night in the 80's didn't just stand there. It jumped on top of me and hit me in the throat. I'm not going to argue about whether they are dreams or real. I thought the one that attacked me was real, but whatever. people can believe what they want to believe. But I will say this, nothing about that thing, whether it was real or a product of my imagination, was what you would call good.

There are very few stories about shadow beings where anything good happens, if there are any at all. I've never read one.
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The one I met late one night in the 80's didn't just stand there. It jumped on top of me and hit me in the throat. I'm not going to argue about whether they are dreams or real. I thought the one that attacked me was real, but whatever. people can believe what they want to believe. But I will say this, nothing about that thing, whether it was real or a product of my imagination, was what you would call good.

There are very few stories about shadow beings where anything good happens, if there are any at all. I've never read one.
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I understand what you are saying, and all I am asking is you take that experience and apply the thought-filter of what I proposed.

Could it be that-that shadow being was an extreme-fear-o-holic(Alcohol by my terms) and was so hell bent on indulging him/her/itself in that fear-juice that it began attacking the sleeper's it came across?
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The one I met late one night in the 80's didn't just stand there. It jumped on top of me and hit me in the throat. I'm not going to argue about whether they are dreams or real. I thought the one that attacked me was real, but whatever. people can believe what they want to believe. But I will say this, nothing about that thing, whether it was real or a product of my imagination, was what you would call good.

There are very few stories about shadow beings where anything good happens, if there are any at all. I've never read one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9704956


I understand what you are saying, and all I am asking is you take that experience and apply the thought-filter of what I proposed.

Could it be that-that shadow being was an extreme-fear-o-holic(Alcohol by my terms) and was so hell bent on indulging him/her/itself in that fear-juice that it began attacking the sleeper's it came across?
 Quoting: LostIGuess


well it's just like Monsters, Inc. which is Disney, isn't it?
it sounds plausible to me that this could be the case. we do know there are entities which feed off of fear and/or pain.
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good thoughts OP, this too has interested me for quite some time, only had very brief blights with this. I instantly recognize im in a bad place and focus on my breath which seems to be the only thing that I can control and this gives me back control and back into our realm quickly. see if it works for you
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The one I met late one night in the 80's didn't just stand there. It jumped on top of me and hit me in the throat. I'm not going to argue about whether they are dreams or real. I thought the one that attacked me was real, but whatever. people can believe what they want to believe. But I will say this, nothing about that thing, whether it was real or a product of my imagination, was what you would call good.

There are very few stories about shadow beings where anything good happens, if there are any at all. I've never read one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9704956


I understand what you are saying, and all I am asking is you take that experience and apply the thought-filter of what I proposed.

Could it be that-that shadow being was an extreme-fear-o-holic(Alcohol by my terms) and was so hell bent on indulging him/her/itself in that fear-juice that it began attacking the sleeper's it came across?
 Quoting: LostIGuess


well it's just like Monsters, Inc. which is Disney, isn't it?
it sounds plausible to me that this could be the case. we do know there are entities which feed off of fear and/or pain.
 Quoting: top ramen isn't food


I've seen a very interesting youtube theory video on disney movies in particular monsters inc (nothing about conspiracy, just coincidences that tie the storylines together nicely) so I need to check that movie out.

But yea, I don't know, I've been thinking about this since I woke up and have been trying to make sense of it, and that's the most logical point I have reached thus far in thinking about it and attempting to figure out shadow beings.

next time I get into a sleep-paralysis state, I am going to attempt to communicate with a shadow being or someone in my dream realm and see if I can't get some answers.
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good thoughts OP, this too has interested me for quite some time, only had very brief blights with this. I instantly recognize im in a bad place and focus on my breath which seems to be the only thing that I can control and this gives me back control and back into our realm quickly. see if it works for you
 Quoting: Fallen Foo Fighter


Thank you, and I don't become frightened of the experience itself, I usually become uneasy about a being just standing there quite and immobile. I've come to accept that I can't run away from Sleep Paralysis, it's actually a thing that peeks my interest and if I have to defeat a fear or two, I'm willing to bet the reward would be well worth the "fight".
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I thought that this is more like your mind has released control of the body as it transfers over to sleep mode, and your brain having all this raw power is supposed to be turned inward consicously or something but instead it get stuck in between where you can hear and maybe breath maybe feel but unable to move. so now because your brain has this unused raw power not being normally used by the control of the limbs and site is now over hyping the others senses. and then your mind goes fear based trying to comprehend the noises or recent events causing these weird dreams that feel real because it is.

or your story... honestly i can't decide
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The one I met late one night in the 80's didn't just stand there. It jumped on top of me and hit me in the throat. I'm not going to argue about whether they are dreams or real. I thought the one that attacked me was real, but whatever. people can believe what they want to believe. But I will say this, nothing about that thing, whether it was real or a product of my imagination, was what you would call good.

There are very few stories about shadow beings where anything good happens, if there are any at all. I've never read one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9704956


I understand what you are saying, and all I am asking is you take that experience and apply the thought-filter of what I proposed.

Could it be that-that shadow being was an extreme-fear-o-holic(Alcohol by my terms) and was so hell bent on indulging him/her/itself in that fear-juice that it began attacking the sleeper's it came across?
 Quoting: LostIGuess


well it's just like Monsters, Inc. which is Disney, isn't it?
it sounds plausible to me that this could be the case. we do know there are entities which feed off of fear and/or pain.
 Quoting: top ramen isn't food


I've seen a very interesting youtube theory video on disney movies in particular monsters inc (nothing about conspiracy, just coincidences that tie the storylines together nicely) so I need to check that movie out.

But yea, I don't know, I've been thinking about this since I woke up and have been trying to make sense of it, and that's the most logical point I have reached thus far in thinking about it and attempting to figure out shadow beings.

next time I get into a sleep-paralysis state, I am going to attempt to communicate with a shadow being or someone in my dream realm and see if I can't get some answers.
 Quoting: LostIGuess


OP you must tell me about your exp with this if it happens. solving this puzzle could prove or align an bunch more i think
Stuff and goodies...
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I thought that this is more like your mind has released control of the body as it transfers over to sleep mode, and your brain having all this raw power is supposed to be turned inward consicously or something but instead it get stuck in between where you can hear and maybe breath maybe feel but unable to move. so now because your brain has this unused raw power not being normally used by the control of the limbs and site is now over hyping the others senses. and then your mind goes fear based trying to comprehend the noises or recent events causing these weird dreams that feel real because it is.

or your story... honestly i can't decide
 Quoting: Fallen Foo Fighter


To be honest, I think what you said make's sense. because during sleep-paralysis videos I've seen on youtube, the sleeper appears "awake" sometimes, their eye's open and move and even their vocal cords and mouth's move when they attempt to yell for help when they freak out from the experience at hand.

The scientific community also states that hallucinations can take place, both Audible as well as visual. so scientific community probably attributes Shadow-Beings to hallucinations, but I beg to differ.

Now, my first experience with Sleep-Paralysis came at about age 7-8, due to an asthma attack which caused me to be hospitalized for a few days, and the med's they had me on I remember use to get me drugged up good lol. when I returned home, I had a Aladdin poster on my wall, it was a huge one, in the middle of the night I "woke" up, couldn't move, and felt extremely comfortable. I heard voices in communication with each other, but couldn't make out the conversation. either way, I always remembered that and as I got older and experienced it more and researched it, I figured out what was going on.

But yes, I do also believe energy places a huge part. because at times when I'm emotional drained or "tired", I do not tend to have sleep paralysis.
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I understand what you are saying, and all I am asking is you take that experience and apply the thought-filter of what I proposed.

Could it be that-that shadow being was an extreme-fear-o-holic(Alcohol by my terms) and was so hell bent on indulging him/her/itself in that fear-juice that it began attacking the sleeper's it came across?
 Quoting: LostIGuess


well it's just like Monsters, Inc. which is Disney, isn't it?
it sounds plausible to me that this could be the case. we do know there are entities which feed off of fear and/or pain.
 Quoting: top ramen isn't food


I've seen a very interesting youtube theory video on disney movies in particular monsters inc (nothing about conspiracy, just coincidences that tie the storylines together nicely) so I need to check that movie out.

But yea, I don't know, I've been thinking about this since I woke up and have been trying to make sense of it, and that's the most logical point I have reached thus far in thinking about it and attempting to figure out shadow beings.

next time I get into a sleep-paralysis state, I am going to attempt to communicate with a shadow being or someone in my dream realm and see if I can't get some answers.
 Quoting: LostIGuess


OP you must tell me about your exp with this if it happens. solving this puzzle could prove or align an bunch more i think
 Quoting: Fallen Foo Fighter


When it happens again and I don't wuss out I'll definitely report back to this thread and reply to you.
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What if the shadows are the result of the subconscious projecting internalized fears?

huh

When people experience sleep paralysis and see shadows or frightening figures, they may call out to 'God' or make some other religious declaration that comforts them - and if the experience stops, they are inclined to believe that there was some type of supernatural intervention that took place and was invoked.

However what is occuring on a deeper level is that the individual is engaging in an act/practice that is empowering him/herself and raising his/her state of consciousness. While the individual is identified with the emotion of fear, the experience is likely to continue - when the individual finds a mechanism to break that identification with fear and temporarily elevate his/her state of consciousness - the experience is likely to terminate.

So my understanding is that the nature of the experience is intimately connected with one's state of mind while experiencing that altered state of consciousness.

I do not believe that there is anything inherently 'negative' about sleep paralysis episodes because there are plenty of individuals who do not experience fear or any 'negative' visualizations during those experiences. I know they can also be induced via entering deep states of relaxation too (body asleep - mind awake).

It is not well understood what is happening to our consciousness while we enter the sleep/dream state. It is said that an element of our consciousness separates from our physical bodies (but stays attached) while we dream. I have on one occasion experienced being outside of my body while sleeping and then being pulled back in and waking up immediately in bed - so I feel there's some truth to this. Consciousness certaintly does not appear to be 'contained' within the physical body and OBE research has demonstrated that consciousness is capable of 'splitting' or separating itself upon which a person will be capable of receiving sensory inputs both from the location of the physical body and the wandering 'outer body' awareness....

I have often wondering if during some of these episodes it is possible for a person to be observing an element of their own consciousness (spirit/energy)...

hmm

I have no idea. I'm not claiming any certainty here, just tossing some ideas out there to consider.

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What if the shadows are the result of the subconscious projecting internalized fears?

huh

When people experience sleep paralysis and see shadows or frightening figures, they may call out to 'God' or make some other religious declaration that comforts them - and if the experience stops, they are inclined to believe that there was some type of supernatural intervention that took place and was invoked.

However what is occuring on a deeper level is that the individual is engaging in an act/practice that is empowering him/herself and raising his/her state of consciousness. While the individual is identified with the emotion of fear, the experience is likely to continue - when the individual finds a mechanism to break that identification with fear and temporarily elevate his/her state of consciousness - the experience is likely to terminate.

So my understanding is that the nature of the experience is intimately connected with one's state of mind while experiencing that altered state of consciousness.

I do not believe that there is anything inherently 'negative' about sleep paralysis episodes because there are plenty of individuals who do not experience fear or any 'negative' visualizations during those experiences. I know they can also be induced via entering deep states of relaxation too (body asleep - mind awake).

It is not well understood what is happening to our consciousness while we enter the sleep/dream state. It is said that an element of our consciousness separates from our physical bodies (but stays attached) while we dream. I have on one occasion experienced being outside of my body while sleeping and then being pulled back in and waking up immediately in bed - so I feel there's some truth to this. Consciousness certaintly does not appear to be 'contained' within the physical body and OBE research has demonstrated that consciousness is capable of 'splitting' or separating itself upon which a person will be capable of receiving sensory inputs both from the location of the physical body and the wandering 'outer body' awareness....

I have often wondering if during some of these episodes it is possible for a person to be observing an element of their own consciousness (spirit/energy)...

hmm

I have no idea. I'm not claiming any certainty here, just tossing some ideas out there to consider.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


That can be true as well, but the only reason I don't believe (well atleast right now) that these entities are reflections of our own beings is due to me not attempting to be self-centered in my quest to understand the universe. I believe in a supreme being, what Her/His/Its/Their name is??? I don't know, but I doubt Humans are the only "intelligent" life created, and I also doubt our realm is the only one created also.

But I understand what you saying.

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