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Christians Only....Your thoughts on the rapture

 
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The rapture will basically go unnoticed.

144,000 out of 7 billion people isn't even a drop in the bucket.
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The 144,000 are not the raptured.
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I forgive you on his behalf.

Yeshua was a very patient, very loving, very forgiving man.

The only crimes he wanted people to feel bad for, were ones which affected your fellow man. Your righteousness only benefits other men, and your sins only hurt yourself and others. He realized the laws had little to nothing to do with the father.


 Quoting: Johnbert.Lennonstein


Which means nothing to me. FYI, I don't even think he existed. [link to www.jesusneverexisted.com]

It's funny how you say how patient and loving he is. Yet, at some point he would allow us to suffer eternally. A real father would keep the door open ETERNALLY for those he loves. He is (if he existed) insane.

I wrote the above to point out the fact that no genuine father would be so non-existent in his children's lives.

As for the crimes you mention, the Bible is replete with stories of that insane god of yours committing and ordering his followers to commit heinous acts against non-believers. I don't want or need the forgiveness of a criminal such as your Yeshua. If he actually existed, he should pay dearly for his crimes, murders, fraud...
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But you're not one of his children, you're just one of his creatures.

You become a child with the new birth, before that you're not a child.

It is the spirit of adoption, so whether you believe or not your assumption here was faulty.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

so this all are sons and daughters of God is not true, only those that have been born again are.

The others are just LADDER-PEOPLE...
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Those who argue for such an exclusive 144k rapture always do so to their own favor.

The teachings of men invariably prefer themselves.
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Definitely Pre Trib.

Post-Trib-Pre Wrath destroyed here:
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And 16 Pre Trib videos:
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I've noticed that people that are post tribbers have become such after being believing one too many conspiracy theories and started looking for the Antichrist instead of Jesus Christ.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Not my story but a fair statement i suppose. I wasn't looking and my conclusions upset me actually. Did a lot of soul searching over it all actually. As I said before i hope you are right, but prepare for the worst because I realize the limits of the human mind. Lean not on your own understanding. You have a responsibility to steel yourself against the potentials of what you cannot comprehend and fully decipher. Thank you for your comment.hf
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


Well prepared we should always be.

Proverbs 22:3 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.

And purge ourselves of our bad stuff:
2Ti 2:19 ¶ Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

and of course study:
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

so this thread is good in the sense that it will force people to study.

2Pe 1:5 ¶ And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

and this advice for Timothy we should follow as well:
1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

Do look at all the videos I posted the points are good and valid and will make you think. You do not necessarily switch your view but it will make you think.

This link is pretty good as well:
[link to www.pre-trib.org]

especially the articles section:
[link to www.pre-trib.org]

too bad some of them are not using the King James Bible though.
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


I will look through these thank you. My mind is not closed at all right now I feel I am being led on a journey. There is another really good pre-trib thread here on glp and I have to say for me it is a conflict of heart over mind. Your beliefs sing the story of my heart honestly and I can see the logic clearly for both sides.

I read one thread and think yes then read another and agree with it also. Each appeals to different parts of me. What swung me toward post was my feeling of responsibility the things that I have dreamed and been shown. The very reason I started this thread actually. And one single verse that my eyes went to when I randomly opened my bible.

He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered."—Proverbs 28:26

I was looking for an answer and it was given and has continued to be given over time as I struggle with the acceptance of it.

Like I said I hope your right I fear that we have messed it up along the way though.hf
“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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Those who argue for such an exclusive 144k rapture always do so to their own favor.

The teachings of men invariably prefer themselves.
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Lack of understanding I think. I almost 100% believe I will not be among the 144,000. They are special of Jewish blood probably male and most likely virgin.
“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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post trib, pre wrath
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post trib, pre wrath
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"Rapture doctrine did not exist before John Darby invented it in 1830 AD. Before it "popped into John Darby's head" no one had ever heard of a secret rapture doctrine."

[link to www.bible.ca]
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Nice thread OP.

I am post trib cuz I don't think Jesus comes back twice - once with the escape vehicle and again with a sword.

I actually can quote the verses that support what I believe, but too sick right now.

I feel kinda bad for pre-tribbers. I have friends who are, and love them, but they keep thinking Jesus will come any minute to save them, and don't realize we are going to go thru hell on earth first.

I've never found one lick of evidence to support the "Rapture" theory and believe it is new age teaching starting in the late 1800's. I DO believe the end is near in the sense that I believe the Tribulation period may have already started, or is imminent, and that being a 7 year period. Just my thoughts and cheers.
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"Rapture doctrine did not exist before John Darby invented it in 1830 AD. Before it "popped into John Darby's head" no one had ever heard of a secret rapture doctrine."

[link to www.bible.ca]
 Quoting: Sam-I-am


yes, this is true. My parents who teachers in the church in the 1950's, I was raised in the 70's - and frankly I never heard of the "rapture" until sometime in the late 80's. People find that hard to believe now. I guess in some parts of the country "the rapture" was talked about before this, but no one I know in New York State even used the term before the 1980's. So..it's popularity in the American lexicon WAS limited, no matter what people say.
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apparently every thread has been ordered to be halted after I post.

It gets kinda depressing after a few years.
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I don't know.

I love to study eschatology, but I don't get hung up on the "when" part. I read the Word, pay attention to the signs. The picture will get clearer as we get closer. We aren't supposed to know until the designated time. Prophecy in the recent years has been fulfilled in literal ways not even fathomable by believers a century ago.
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Those who argue for such an exclusive 144k rapture always do so to their own favor.

The teachings of men invariably prefer themselves.
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Lack of understanding I think. I almost 100% believe I will not be among the 144,000. They are special of Jewish blood probably male and most likely virgin.
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


The 144,000 are a remnant of all Israel. Just not the Jewish. There are 12 tribes of Israel. The modern day Jewish people represent Judah, Benjamin and part of Levi. Not all Israel is Jewish. The northern tribes were spread among the gentiles.
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WTF I can't believe people still think the Zionists are c hosen
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So much delusion, the 144,000 are "witnesses" NOT ones raptured. Then the 144,000 are NOT ALL JEWS, only 12,000, the others are of"the other tribes of Israel...". Judah are the Jews and no one else.
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So much delusion, the 144,000 are "witnesses" NOT ones raptured. Then the 144,000 are NOT ALL JEWS, only 12,000, the others are of"the other tribes of Israel...". Judah are the Jews and no one else.
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I agree. The 144,000 are witnesses representing Israel. God states that Israel is his witness.
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Something else to ponder is Rev. 3:7-10 which states".....I will keep you from the hour of trial coming upon the whole world...". This is another part of the puzzle.
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here's one of my favorite studies on the subject, as it's not too long!!



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Those who argue for such an exclusive 144k rapture always do so to their own favor.

The teachings of men invariably prefer themselves.
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Lack of understanding I think. I almost 100% believe I will not be among the 144,000. They are special of Jewish blood probably male and most likely virgin.
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


The blood line, gender and virgin status is only symbolic, not literal.

There are gentile women included in that group, who are not physical virgin.

I could go into more detail about this, but many people who "think" they know everything will rage, and I'm not into debates because it just is what it is. :)

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Something else to ponder is Rev. 3:7-10 which states".....I will keep you from the hour of trial coming upon the whole world...". This is another part of the puzzle.
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Keeping someone from a trial is not the same as rapture. Noah, Lot, Moses were not raptured but were instead protected.
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So much delusion, the 144,000 are "witnesses" NOT ones raptured. Then the 144,000 are NOT ALL JEWS, only 12,000, the others are of"the other tribes of Israel...". Judah are the Jews and no one else.
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Those who argue for such an exclusive 144k rapture always do so to their own favor.

The teachings of men invariably prefer themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45222382


Lack of understanding I think. I almost 100% believe I will not be among the 144,000. They are special of Jewish blood probably male and most likely virgin.
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


The blood line, gender and virgin status is only symbolic, not literal.

There are gentile women included in that group, who are not physical virgin.

I could go into more detail about this, but many people who "think" they know everything will rage, and I'm not into debates because it just is what it is. :)

hf
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Thank you both for correcting. Your comments are like eing given a key to look into a mystery :) I will have to look into this as it delves beneath the surface of the textual representation. I do see the possibility when tied with the teachings Paul and James.hf
“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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"Rapture doctrine did not exist before John Darby invented it in 1830 AD. Before it "popped into John Darby's head" no one had ever heard of a secret rapture doctrine."

[link to www.bible.ca]
 Quoting: Sam-I-am


yes, this is true. My parents who teachers in the church in the 1950's, I was raised in the 70's - and frankly I never heard of the "rapture" until sometime in the late 80's. People find that hard to believe now. I guess in some parts of the country "the rapture" was talked about before this, but no one I know in New York State even used the term before the 1980's. So..it's popularity in the American lexicon WAS limited, no matter what people say.
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That is interesting I can say my grandparent certainly never heard about it in their childhood. They did pick it up through the local Baptists church later on as did I until unread the book of revelation for first time in high school and my mind was blown. I actually ended up leaving that church because I was so looked down upon and practically silenced to even bring the topic up for wider discussion in groups.
“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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Pre. Church must be gone so evil can run wild
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omg
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I have to respond to this.

So you think that if I hope for Jesus to return, I care nothing about those left behind?

Maybe a woman who is engaged to be married should be ashamed of herself for being so happy, when her friends are still single? And it's not like they haven't been asked; they just keep turning down Mr. Right.

Has it not occurred to you that because I believe Jesus could come at any time, I am MORE MOTIVATED TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL BECAUSE I CARE AND DON'T WANT PEOPLE LEFT HERE?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


If my statement doesn't apply to you, then what's the problem?


Do you have any idea WHY God is going to rain down his wrath on the world?
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Because He's bipolar and it turns out that Christ's sacrifice somehow did *not* appease Him after all? That's just a guess.
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concerning the book of revelations
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It is The Book of Revelation. One. Singular. Not plural. Not Revelations.

If you do not know that minor detail about the title of the book, who likely is it that you really know much about the contents of that book?
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concerning the book of revelations
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It is The Book of Revelation. One. Singular. Not plural. Not Revelations.

If you do not know that minor detail about the title of the book, how likely is it that you really know much about the contents of that book?
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Well excuse me grammar police. This attitude is not welcome in this thread so I would ask you to leave. I think I do remarkably well considering english is not my only language.Take your nitpicking condescending attitude away.
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AC does kind of have a point there, no offense.

cheers

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<< But the literal meaning of the book is “The Unveiling.” It does mean “to reveal” as in “revelation,” but the more precise word picture is one of pulling aside a veil in order to reveal something hidden. What is it that is unveiled in this book? Jesus Christ. It is the unveiling of Jesus Christ, not the unveiling of disasters or tribulation or antichrist. >>
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The blood line, gender and virgin status is only symbolic, not literal.

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You have no scriptural basis for insisting any such thing. There is no way at all that you know that to be the case. None.

It is your bias, your prejudice and your preference, but it is not scriptural truth.

The Book says they are male virgin Jews. That is what it says. You have no right to change it as you see fit.
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The blood line, gender and virgin status is only symbolic, not literal.

There are gentile women included in that group, who are not physical virgin.
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The Book says the 144,000 are male virgin Jews. That's what it says, unmistakably, unless you simply and absolutely insist on mistaking it.

I could go into more detail about this, but many people who "think" they know everything will rage, and I'm not into debates because it just is what it is. :)
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa

Yeah, we wouldn't want those who think they know everything to irritate those who really do, because it just is what the people who know everything say it is, even though it doesn't actually say what they say it does...
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The blood line, gender and virgin status is only symbolic, not literal.

There are gentile women included in that group, who are not physical virgin.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Isn't it true, Lisa, that the real reason you insist the 144,000 are not male, virgin and Jewish

is because YOU are female, not-Jewish, and definitely not a virgin?

You think special you is one of the 144,000, don't you? Tell the truth.
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Christ Himself was "raptured" (Harpazo Grk. snatched away or removed). Read Acts 1, this is the exact event all the children of God will experience.
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Those 144,000 are not "raptured."

They are the Jews that declare Jesus Christ to the Jews of Israel during the Grand Finale.

They are not Lisa getting snatched away.

Lisa, on the other hand, might be getting raptured away because she is not one of those 144,000...

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