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Explanation why Egypt is in chaos and about to have a civil war!
Many have been trying to figure out what is all the fuss and all the uprisings are about in the Middle East. Some say it is a geo-political war for oil and other natural resource, for religion, power and control among other ideas which all are in fact true to some extent. But they are not the main reason behind all the up-risings.

Though many seem to think they understand, they really haven't got a clue. Everything you here in the MSM is base on half-truths and half-lies. MSM does not want anyone to know or understand the dynamics of the Middle East so they paint the whole region with the image of a predominately crazed Islamic lump of countries with citizen all being the same. What the MSM puts out is false and not at all an accurate picture of people in the Middle East; they are not all same. They are not all that image you see in the movies or on TV where your typical Arab/Muslim as a wicked, evil, crazed maniaic who is a terrorist hell bent on blowing up the world and converting everyone to Islam. There are many Christians there who choose to live their.

The Middle East has Muslim, Christian, Jews, Druze, Allwites, Bahis, Hindus, Buhdist, Sufis. Zorotarian (Freddie Mercury, Atheists and many more. For example, Lebanon has six different religions with 18 different sects in it. It is not all Muslims.

I will explain...

Everyone has there own theory or idea based on something they either read in the news, heard about on TV or heard in a conversation between a few se called experts.

Here it is...

1. Arab/Muslim counties and government are controlled by western Powers. Arab/Muslims have always been occupied by foreign power whether it was directly or indirectly, i.e. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, Jordan, are thought to be controlled by Western Powers, and to some extent this is true.

2. These Arab/Muslim governments are perceived by most of their citizens as puppets of Western Powers and are illegitimate. Most believe these Monarchies, Dynasties, Emirates, Autocracies, Dictatorships Governments were put their to serve their masters in the West.

Most Citizens of these Arab/Muslim counties want to see their governments out and a true democracy put in place based on justice, freedom and democracy. This is where things become a little confusing and where we have the cause for internal fighting. It is true that many citizens of Arab/Muslim nations want freedom and democracy but how that democracy is interpreted is a different matter.
* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a Muslims is not the same as justice, freedom and democracy to a non-Muslim.

Non-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life along with being members of a society that is evolving or advancing with the rest of the world and humanity and not stuck in a time capsule based on beliefs, laws, and traditions from the Middle Ages or Medieval times.

* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a secular Muslim is not the same as justice freedom, and democracy to non-Muslim and a non-secular Muslim.

Like most Non-Muslims, secular Muslims are moderates and have similarly, deep rooted beliefs of Western Nations and Western societies. They do not want to continue living in a regressed anti modernization society based on beliefs, laws and tradition dating back to the Middle Ages or Medieval times. They want to have the freedom to chose how they live. They want the choice of how the worship, live, going to school, dress, work, party, date, marry, and so on. Secular-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life.

Lastly, You have the non-secular Muslims, Mainly Sunni Muslims and some Shi'a (Shites). These non-secular Muslims who are the majority are Muslim extremist, Militants, Jihadist, Terrorist and you peace loving salafists and wahabis, widely known for all the massacring, beheadings, cannibalism and terrorism in Syria and mainly supported and funded by the Saudi Arabian Monarchy, House of Saud, and the Gulf Oil States (Emirates).

3. While most of these countries have Muslims who believe that Islam is a true democracy, that is not the case, and if true democracy is implemented in the Middle East all Arab/Muslim countries will have elected officials who are elected and supported by Muslim extremists.

The truth is You Can Not Have Democracy in Arab/Muslim Countries because they will elect people like Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood, or Khaled Meshall of Hamas.
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Jihadist, Muslim Militants and God knows who else is in Egypt right now. The battle is between secular people and non-secular Muslim extremist. It is important that the secularist win other wise all of Egypt will become a slaughter house.
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Many have been trying to figure out what is all the fuss and all the uprisings are about in the Middle East. Some say it is a geo-political war for oil and other natural resource, for religion, power and control among other ideas which all are in fact true to some extent. But they are not the main reason behind all the up-risings.

Though many seem to think they understand, they really haven't got a clue. Everything you here in the MSM is base on half-truths and half-lies. MSM does not want anyone to know or understand the dynamics of the Middle East so they paint the whole region with the image of a predominately crazed Islamic lump of countries with citizen all being the same. What the MSM puts out is false and not at all an accurate picture of people in the Middle East; they are not all same. They are not all that image you see in the movies or on TV where your typical Arab/Muslim as a wicked, evil, crazed maniaic who is a terrorist hell bent on blowing up the world and converting everyone to Islam. There are many Christians there who choose to live their.

The Middle East has Muslim, Christian, Jews, Druze, Allwites, Bahis, Hindus, Buhdist, Sufis. Zorotarian (Freddie Mercury, Atheists and many more. For example, Lebanon has six different religions with 18 different sects in it. It is not all Muslims.

I will explain...

Everyone has there own theory or idea based on something they either read in the news, heard about on TV or heard in a conversation between a few se called experts.

Here it is...
1. Arab/Muslim counties and government are controlled by western Powers. Arab/Muslims have always been occupied by foreign power whether it was directly or indirectly, i.e. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, Jordan, are thought to be controlled by Western Powers, and to some extent this is true.

2. These Arab/Muslim governments are perceived by most of their citizens as puppets of Western Powers and are illegitimate. Most believe these Monarchies, Dynasties, Emirates, Autocracies, Dictatorships Governments were put their to serve their masters in the West.

Most Citizens of these Arab/Muslim counties want to see their governments out and a true democracy put in place based on justice, freedom and democracy. This is where things become a little confusing and where we have the cause for internal fighting. It is true that many citizens of Arab/Muslim nations want freedom and democracy but how that democracy is interpreted is a different matter.
* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a Muslims is not the same as justice, freedom and democracy to a non-Muslim.

Non-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life along with being members of a society that is evolving or advancing with the rest of the world and humanity and not stuck in a time capsule based on beliefs, laws, and traditions from the Middle Ages or Medieval times.

* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a secular Muslim is not the same as justice freedom, and democracy to non-Muslim and a non-secular Muslim.

Like most Non-Muslims, secular Muslims are moderates and have similarly, deep rooted beliefs of Western Nations and Western societies. They do not want to continue living in a regressed anti modernization society based on beliefs, laws and tradition dating back to the Middle Ages or Medieval times. They want to have the freedom to chose how they live. They want the choice of how the worship, live, going to school, dress, work, party, date, marry, and so on. Secular-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life.

Lastly, You have the non-secular Muslims, Mainly Sunni Muslims and some Shi'a (Shites). These non-secular Muslims who are the majority are Muslim extremist, Militants, Jihadist, Terrorist and you peace loving salafists and wahabis, widely known for all the massacring, beheadings, cannibalism and terrorism in Syria and mainly supported and funded by the Saudi Arabian Monarchy, House of Saud, and the Gulf Oil States (Emirates).

3. While most of these countries have Muslims who believe that Islam is a true democracy, that is not the case, and if true democracy is implemented in the Middle East all Arab/Muslim countries will have elected officials who are elected and supported by Muslim extremists.

The truth is You Can Not Have Democracy in Arab/Muslim Countries because they will elect people like Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood, or Khaled Meshall of Hamas.



 Quoting: Centurion


Your thoughts are long and short of facts. To understand the Middle East step back and look at the big picture.
The west is fermenting civil war for 3 purposes
1. That's how they take control of a country
2. Gotta demonise the muzzies make them look like terrorists for the eventual purpose to wipe them all out to bring in the NWO this is also being done with Christians the media is demonizing Catholics also for the day when they destroy them all and bring in the NWO
3. Last but not least inflation conflict in the Middle East causes inflation oil goes up, the fed needs inflation to justify tapering off their printing.

So there you have it so simple, to bring in a N W O you need inflation and naughty muzzies and naughty Christians doing naughty things so you gotta excuse to bring in ya NWO and destroy them all.
Just as obamacare is creating fake jobs so the Middle East is creating inflation this is the recipe mr bernanke needs to stop printing and collapse his beloved derivatives.
And the other recipe is muzzies going wild and catholic priests being naughty boys and they got their recipe for destruction religion it's all about the NWO bro
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Re: Explanation why Egypt is in chaos and about to have a civil war!
isn't it because they don't use the new jerusalem calendar?
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I just thought it was Obama all Jimmy Cartering sh*t up, ten fold.
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I just thought it was Obama all Jimmy Cartering sh*t up, ten fold.
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When Obama is done there will be 10 Iran's with nuke's. The Jimmy Carter years will be remembered as the good ole days.
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Many have been trying to figure out what is all the fuss and all the uprisings are about in the Middle East. Some say it is a geo-political war for oil and other natural resource, for religion, power and control among other ideas which all are in fact true to some extent. But they are not the main reason behind all the up-risings.

Though many seem to think they understand, they really haven't got a clue. Everything you here in the MSM is base on half-truths and half-lies. MSM does not want anyone to know or understand the dynamics of the Middle East so they paint the whole region with the image of a predominately crazed Islamic lump of countries with citizen all being the same. What the MSM puts out is false and not at all an accurate picture of people in the Middle East; they are not all same. They are not all that image you see in the movies or on TV where your typical Arab/Muslim as a wicked, evil, crazed maniaic who is a terrorist hell bent on blowing up the world and converting everyone to Islam. There are many Christians there who choose to live their.

The Middle East has Muslim, Christian, Jews, Druze, Allwites, Bahis, Hindus, Buhdist, Sufis. Zorotarian (Freddie Mercury, Atheists and many more. For example, Lebanon has six different religions with 18 different sects in it. It is not all Muslims.

I will explain...

Everyone has there own theory or idea based on something they either read in the news, heard about on TV or heard in a conversation between a few se called experts.

Here it is...
1. Arab/Muslim counties and government are controlled by western Powers. Arab/Muslims have always been occupied by foreign power whether it was directly or indirectly, i.e. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, Jordan, are thought to be controlled by Western Powers, and to some extent this is true.

2. These Arab/Muslim governments are perceived by most of their citizens as puppets of Western Powers and are illegitimate. Most believe these Monarchies, Dynasties, Emirates, Autocracies, Dictatorships Governments were put their to serve their masters in the West.

Most Citizens of these Arab/Muslim counties want to see their governments out and a true democracy put in place based on justice, freedom and democracy. This is where things become a little confusing and where we have the cause for internal fighting. It is true that many citizens of Arab/Muslim nations want freedom and democracy but how that democracy is interpreted is a different matter.
* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a Muslims is not the same as justice, freedom and democracy to a non-Muslim.

Non-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life along with being members of a society that is evolving or advancing with the rest of the world and humanity and not stuck in a time capsule based on beliefs, laws, and traditions from the Middle Ages or Medieval times.

* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a secular Muslim is not the same as justice freedom, and democracy to non-Muslim and a non-secular Muslim.

Like most Non-Muslims, secular Muslims are moderates and have similarly, deep rooted beliefs of Western Nations and Western societies. They do not want to continue living in a regressed anti modernization society based on beliefs, laws and tradition dating back to the Middle Ages or Medieval times. They want to have the freedom to chose how they live. They want the choice of how the worship, live, going to school, dress, work, party, date, marry, and so on. Secular-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life.

Lastly, You have the non-secular Muslims, Mainly Sunni Muslims and some Shi'a (Shites). These non-secular Muslims who are the majority are Muslim extremist, Militants, Jihadist, Terrorist and you peace loving salafists and wahabis, widely known for all the massacring, beheadings, cannibalism and terrorism in Syria and mainly supported and funded by the Saudi Arabian Monarchy, House of Saud, and the Gulf Oil States (Emirates).

3. While most of these countries have Muslims who believe that Islam is a true democracy, that is not the case, and if true democracy is implemented in the Middle East all Arab/Muslim countries will have elected officials who are elected and supported by Muslim extremists.

The truth is You Can Not Have Democracy in Arab/Muslim Countries because they will elect people like Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood, or Khaled Meshall of Hamas.



 Quoting: Centurion


Your thoughts are long and short of facts. To understand the Middle East step back and look at the big picture.
The west is fermenting civil war for 3 purposes
1. That's how they take control of a country
2. Gotta demonise the muzzies make them look like terrorists for the eventual purpose to wipe them all out to bring in the NWO this is also being done with Christians the media is demonizing Catholics also for the day when they destroy them all and bring in the NWO
3. Last but not least inflation conflict in the Middle East causes inflation oil goes up, the fed needs inflation to justify tapering off their printing.

So there you have it so simple, to bring in a N W O you need inflation and naughty muzzies and naughty Christians doing naughty things so you gotta excuse to bring in ya NWO and destroy them all.
Just as obamacare is creating fake jobs so the Middle East is creating inflation this is the recipe mr bernanke needs to stop printing and collapse his beloved derivatives.
And the other recipe is muzzies going wild and catholic priests being naughty boys and they got their recipe for destruction religion it's all about the NWO bro
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45268131


While you do make a good point I want to clarify that I was born in Lebanon. I was in the U S Army. I was deployed in the Middle East, I was a Muslim and left Islam, I HAVE BEEN IN MANY ARAB/MUSLIM COUNTRIES and have had many discussions with Arabs/Muslim from all walks of life. I was an Islamic and Middle East expert, interpreter/interrogator and trainer for members of our Special Forces units. I was part of a Psy Operation in the Middle east and a communication specialist. I believe you miss-understood everything I wrote or did not understand a word I said.

Peace!

y_smile
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Here is the real Muslim Brotherhood for you who don't know them. You may have seen them in action in Syria while they were massacring civilians and beheading Shites, Allawites and Christians.

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This is the best explanation and it is not based on textbook theories or standard. It is based on life experience and interaction in the Arab/Muslim world. You have to have lived it to understand it and be able to explain it.
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Great post OP. And i must say the first answer is more a complementary one more than a critical one.

I think the main point to both posts is that any intelligent guy can conclude things are absolutly not what they look like on tv. I am amazed (not really) that so many people here on glp is fully aware of MSM and TPTB and NWO and all but still choose to hate based on msm reports. Its a bit contradictory and serves the agendas purpose.
Me, i choose to understand people are easy manipulated, most of the people protesting is manipulated, the soldier shooting unarmed handsup civilians is manipulated and most of all most peole here on glp are being manipulated to serve the masterplan.
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I think it is the NWO Rothschild bunch just starting another war to take out more people as a sacrifice to Satan.

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This is the best explanation and it is not based on textbook theories or standard. It is based on life experience and interaction in the Arab/Muslim world. You have to have lived it to understand it and be able to explain it.
 Quoting: Centurion


This right here that is the line that separates to the point people don't believe. You have to live it. You have to be their. It is a rare person that can grasp the depth of capacity of a monster having never experienced it. It gives you understanding that is very hard to get elsewhere. I'm going to 5* and toss you some karma to help you keep this pinned.
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Great post OP. And i must say the first answer is more a complementary one more than a critical one.

I think the main point to both posts is that any intelligent guy can conclude things are absolutly not what they look like on tv. I am amazed (not really) that so many people here on glp is fully aware of MSM and TPTB and NWO and all but still choose to hate based on msm reports. Its a bit contradictory and serves the agendas purpose.
Me, i choose to understand people are easy manipulated, most of the people protesting is manipulated, the soldier shooting unarmed handsup civilians is manipulated and most of all most peole here on glp are being manipulated to serve the masterplan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45251001


Thank You for the complement I do agree there is quite a bit of manipulation on both sides. With that said, I want to direct you to what I am stating is that in Islam you can't have Justice, Freedom and Democracy because you have two different ways of think and living. You have the secular Muslims who as I stated, want to continue living as Muslims, but with out the extreme fanatical strict interpretation of the Qur'an.

At the same time you have the non-seular Muslims extremist(salafis and wahabis) like Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia who want to impose Sharia Law on the entire world. These two ideologies of secular Islam and non-secular Islam will always clash because the secularist want freedom and non-secularist have the mind set of live according to strict Islam or die by having your throat slit with a dull knife.

Peace!
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Re: Explanation why Egypt is in chaos and about to have a civil war!
Many have been trying to figure out what is all the fuss and all the uprisings are about in the Middle East. Some say it is a geo-political war for oil and other natural resource, for religion, power and control among other ideas which all are in fact true to some extent. But they are not the main reason behind all the up-risings.

Though many seem to think they understand, they really haven't got a clue. Everything you here in the MSM is base on half-truths and half-lies. MSM does not want anyone to know or understand the dynamics of the Middle East so they paint the whole region with the image of a predominately crazed Islamic lump of countries with citizen all being the same. What the MSM puts out is false and not at all an accurate picture of people in the Middle East; they are not all same. They are not all that image you see in the movies or on TV where your typical Arab/Muslim as a wicked, evil, crazed maniaic who is a terrorist hell bent on blowing up the world and converting everyone to Islam. There are many Christians there who choose to live their.

The Middle East has Muslim, Christian, Jews, Druze, Allwites, Bahis, Hindus, Buhdist, Sufis. Zorotarian (Freddie Mercury, Atheists and many more. For example, Lebanon has six different religions with 18 different sects in it. It is not all Muslims.

I will explain...

Everyone has there own theory or idea based on something they either read in the news, heard about on TV or heard in a conversation between a few se called experts.

Here it is...
1. Arab/Muslim counties and government are controlled by western Powers. Arab/Muslims have always been occupied by foreign power whether it was directly or indirectly, i.e. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, Jordan, are thought to be controlled by Western Powers, and to some extent this is true.

2. These Arab/Muslim governments are perceived by most of their citizens as puppets of Western Powers and are illegitimate. Most believe these Monarchies, Dynasties, Emirates, Autocracies, Dictatorships Governments were put their to serve their masters in the West.

Most Citizens of these Arab/Muslim counties want to see their governments out and a true democracy put in place based on justice, freedom and democracy. This is where things become a little confusing and where we have the cause for internal fighting. It is true that many citizens of Arab/Muslim nations want freedom and democracy but how that democracy is interpreted is a different matter.
* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a Muslims is not the same as justice, freedom and democracy to a non-Muslim.

Non-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life along with being members of a society that is evolving or advancing with the rest of the world and humanity and not stuck in a time capsule based on beliefs, laws, and traditions from the Middle Ages or Medieval times.

* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a secular Muslim is not the same as justice freedom, and democracy to non-Muslim and a non-secular Muslim.

Like most Non-Muslims, secular Muslims are moderates and have similarly, deep rooted beliefs of Western Nations and Western societies. They do not want to continue living in a regressed anti modernization society based on beliefs, laws and tradition dating back to the Middle Ages or Medieval times. They want to have the freedom to chose how they live. They want the choice of how the worship, live, going to school, dress, work, party, date, marry, and so on. Secular-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life.

Lastly, You have the non-secular Muslims, Mainly Sunni Muslims and some Shi'a (Shites). These non-secular Muslims who are the majority are Muslim extremist, Militants, Jihadist, Terrorist and you peace loving salafists and wahabis, widely known for all the massacring, beheadings, cannibalism and terrorism in Syria and mainly supported and funded by the Saudi Arabian Monarchy, House of Saud, and the Gulf Oil States (Emirates).

3. While most of these countries have Muslims who believe that Islam is a true democracy, that is not the case, and if true democracy is implemented in the Middle East all Arab/Muslim countries will have elected officials who are elected and supported by Muslim extremists.

The truth is You Can Not Have Democracy in Arab/Muslim Countries because they will elect people like Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood, or Khaled Meshall of Hamas.



 Quoting: Centurion


Your thoughts are long and short of facts. To understand the Middle East step back and look at the big picture.
The west is fermenting civil war for 3 purposes
1. That's how they take control of a country
2. Gotta demonise the muzzies make them look like terrorists for the eventual purpose to wipe them all out to bring in the NWO this is also being done with Christians the media is demonizing Catholics also for the day when they destroy them all and bring in the NWO
3. Last but not least inflation conflict in the Middle East causes inflation oil goes up, the fed needs inflation to justify tapering off their printing.

So there you have it so simple, to bring in a N W O you need inflation and naughty muzzies and naughty Christians doing naughty things so you gotta excuse to bring in ya NWO and destroy them all.
Just as obamacare is creating fake jobs so the Middle East is creating inflation this is the recipe mr bernanke needs to stop printing and collapse his beloved derivatives.
And the other recipe is muzzies going wild and catholic priests being naughty boys and they got their recipe for destruction religion it's all about the NWO bro
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45268131


While you do make a good point I want to clarify that I was born in Lebanon. I was in the U S Army. I was deployed in the Middle East, I was a Muslim and left Islam, I HAVE BEEN IN MANY ARAB/MUSLIM COUNTRIES and have had many discussions with Arabs/Muslim from all walks of life. I was an Islamic and Middle East expert, interpreter/interrogator and trainer for members of our Special Forces units. I was part of a Psy Operation in the Middle east and a communication specialist. I believe you miss-understood everything I wrote or did not understand a word I said.

Peace!

y_smile
 Quoting: Centurion


Great resume:)
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This is the best explanation and it is not based on textbook theories or standard. It is based on life experience and interaction in the Arab/Muslim world. You have to have lived it to understand it and be able to explain it.
 Quoting: Centurion


This right here that is the line that separates to the point people don't believe. You have to live it. You have to be their. It is a rare person that can grasp the depth of capacity of a monster having never experienced it. It gives you understanding that is very hard to get elsewhere. I'm going to 5* and toss you some karma to help you keep this pinned.
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y_smilered_heart Thank You and BlessYou. Peace!hf
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Great explanation OP!

bump cause i want to see what that asshole/racist BRIEF has to say about this one...
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Many have been trying to figure out what is all the fuss and all the uprisings are about in the Middle East. Some say it is a geo-political war for oil and other natural resource, for religion, power and control among other ideas which all are in fact true to some extent. But they are not the main reason behind all the up-risings.

Though many seem to think they understand, they really haven't got a clue. Everything you here in the MSM is base on half-truths and half-lies. MSM does not want anyone to know or understand the dynamics of the Middle East so they paint the whole region with the image of a predominately crazed Islamic lump of countries with citizen all being the same. What the MSM puts out is false and not at all an accurate picture of people in the Middle East; they are not all same. They are not all that image you see in the movies or on TV where your typical Arab/Muslim as a wicked, evil, crazed maniaic who is a terrorist hell bent on blowing up the world and converting everyone to Islam. There are many Christians there who choose to live their.

The Middle East has Muslim, Christian, Jews, Druze, Allwites, Bahis, Hindus, Buhdist, Sufis. Zorotarian (Freddie Mercury, Atheists and many more. For example, Lebanon has six different religions with 18 different sects in it. It is not all Muslims.

I will explain...

Everyone has there own theory or idea based on something they either read in the news, heard about on TV or heard in a conversation between a few se called experts.

Here it is...
1. Arab/Muslim counties and government are controlled by western Powers. Arab/Muslims have always been occupied by foreign power whether it was directly or indirectly, i.e. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, Jordan, are thought to be controlled by Western Powers, and to some extent this is true.

2. These Arab/Muslim governments are perceived by most of their citizens as puppets of Western Powers and are illegitimate. Most believe these Monarchies, Dynasties, Emirates, Autocracies, Dictatorships Governments were put their to serve their masters in the West.

Most Citizens of these Arab/Muslim counties want to see their governments out and a true democracy put in place based on justice, freedom and democracy. This is where things become a little confusing and where we have the cause for internal fighting. It is true that many citizens of Arab/Muslim nations want freedom and democracy but how that democracy is interpreted is a different matter.
* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a Muslims is not the same as justice, freedom and democracy to a non-Muslim.

Non-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life along with being members of a society that is evolving or advancing with the rest of the world and humanity and not stuck in a time capsule based on beliefs, laws, and traditions from the Middle Ages or Medieval times.

* Justice ,Freedom and Democracy to a secular Muslim is not the same as justice freedom, and democracy to non-Muslim and a non-secular Muslim.

Like most Non-Muslims, secular Muslims are moderates and have similarly, deep rooted beliefs of Western Nations and Western societies. They do not want to continue living in a regressed anti modernization society based on beliefs, laws and tradition dating back to the Middle Ages or Medieval times. They want to have the freedom to chose how they live. They want the choice of how the worship, live, going to school, dress, work, party, date, marry, and so on. Secular-Muslims want to live according to their religious beliefs, and cultural traditions without Islamic Law being imposed on them. They want live a peaceful, honorable, dignified life with the opportunity to raise a family and give their children the opportunity to succeed in life.

Lastly, You have the non-secular Muslims, Mainly Sunni Muslims and some Shi'a (Shites). These non-secular Muslims who are the majority are Muslim extremist, Militants, Jihadist, Terrorist and you peace loving salafists and wahabis, widely known for all the massacring, beheadings, cannibalism and terrorism in Syria and mainly supported and funded by the Saudi Arabian Monarchy, House of Saud, and the Gulf Oil States (Emirates).

3. While most of these countries have Muslims who believe that Islam is a true democracy, that is not the case, and if true democracy is implemented in the Middle East all Arab/Muslim countries will have elected officials who are elected and supported by Muslim extremists.

The truth is You Can Not Have Democracy in Arab/Muslim Countries because they will elect people like Mursi of the Muslim Brotherhood, or Khaled Meshall of Hamas.



 Quoting: Centurion


Your thoughts are long and short of facts. To understand the Middle East step back and look at the big picture.
The west is fermenting civil war for 3 purposes
1. That's how they take control of a country
2. Gotta demonise the muzzies make them look like terrorists for the eventual purpose to wipe them all out to bring in the NWO this is also being done with Christians the media is demonizing Catholics also for the day when they destroy them all and bring in the NWO
3. Last but not least inflation conflict in the Middle East causes inflation oil goes up, the fed needs inflation to justify tapering off their printing.

So there you have it so simple, to bring in a N W O you need inflation and naughty muzzies and naughty Christians doing naughty things so you gotta excuse to bring in ya NWO and destroy them all.
Just as obamacare is creating fake jobs so the Middle East is creating inflation this is the recipe mr bernanke needs to stop printing and collapse his beloved derivatives.
And the other recipe is muzzies going wild and catholic priests being naughty boys and they got their recipe for destruction religion it's all about the NWO bro
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While you do make a good point I want to clarify that I was born in Lebanon. I was in the U S Army. I was deployed in the Middle East, I was a Muslim and left Islam, I HAVE BEEN IN MANY ARAB/MUSLIM COUNTRIES and have had many discussions with Arabs/Muslim from all walks of life. I was an Islamic and Middle East expert, interpreter/interrogator and trainer for members of our Special Forces units. I was part of a Psy Operation in the Middle east and a communication specialist. I believe you miss-understood everything I wrote or did not understand a word I said.

Peace!

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Great resume:)
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Thanks cheers
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Great explanation OP!

bump cause i want to see what that asshole/racist BRIEF has to say about this one...
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Brief is cool in my book. He maybe strong with words but he speak from the heart and may agree with my analysis and explanation. My comprehension and understanding of this uprisings in the Middle East is from lifes experiences.

Peace and God Bless You!
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Great post OP. And i must say the first answer is more a complementary one more than a critical one.

I think the main point to both posts is that any intelligent guy can conclude things are absolutly not what they look like on tv. I am amazed (not really) that so many people here on glp is fully aware of MSM and TPTB and NWO and all but still choose to hate based on msm reports. Its a bit contradictory and serves the agendas purpose.
Me, i choose to understand people are easy manipulated, most of the people protesting is manipulated, the soldier shooting unarmed handsup civilians is manipulated and most of all most peole here on glp are being manipulated to serve the masterplan.
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Thank You for the complement I do agree there is quite a bit of manipulation on both sides. With that said, I want to direct you to what I am stating is that in Islam you can't have Justice, Freedom and Democracy because you have two different ways of think and living. You have the secular Muslims who as I stated, want to continue living as Muslims, but with out the extreme fanatical strict interpretation of the Qur'an.

At the same time you have the non-seular Muslims extremist(salafis and wahabis) like Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia who want to impose Sharia Law on the entire world. These two ideologies of secular Islam and non-secular Islam will always clash because the secularist want freedom and non-secularist have the mind set of live according to strict Islam or die by having your throat slit with a dull knife.

Peace!
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Hi, yes i understood that. I agree and i believe you when you say you speak based on personal experience.
..what should western world do? When is it right to inerveine? Is it ever? Should we not let the issue develope by its own momentum? This are diffucult question i aske myself. We want to help and its basically a good thing we help each other..but are our governments and our army forces the right ones to do this? Are tthey so clean and morally right so its unquestionable? I dont think so, i think we are far from having the rigt to interveine in such situations..yet we not only play a part in it, we (our political forces, our armys and our corporations)rule and do whatever suites the masterplan.
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Re: Explanation why Egypt is in chaos and about to have a civil war!
Great explanation OP!

bump cause i want to see what that asshole/racist BRIEF has to say about this one...
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Brief is cool in my book. He maybe strong with words but he speak from the heart and may agree with my analysis and explanation. My comprehension and understanding of this uprisings in the Middle East is from lifes experiences.

Peace and God Bless You!
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Haha..do NOT agree on that one Op..Brief is cool? I think he is playing a role here...he really knows how to kill a thrad and make people hate him..i just laugh at him. (i learned thats best for all) lol.
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op is a shill
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Its quite simple.....United States/Israel installs puppet dictatorship and the Egyptians dont like it. The Egyptians kick the puppet out so the US/Israel send in "rebels" (paid mercenaries) to raise hell until they can put in another puppet. Its been going on since the 1970's.

Last Edited by PhoenixAgain on 08/17/2013 04:52 AM
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Bravo Centurion Bravo.....


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Re: Explanation why Egypt is in chaos and about to have a civil war!
This is the best explanation and it is not based on textbook theories or standard. It is based on life experience and interaction in the Arab/Muslim world. You have to have lived it to understand it and be able to explain it.
 Quoting: Centurion


This right here that is the line that separates to the point people don't believe. You have to live it. You have to be their. It is a rare person that can grasp the depth of capacity of a monster having never experienced it. It gives you understanding that is very hard to get elsewhere. I'm going to 5* and toss you some karma to help you keep this pinned.
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y_smilered_heart Thank You and BlessYou. Peace!hf
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I dont think so..i think its up to ones capability to understand things are complicated to be "kind" in ones judging. For me its enough to understand msm is owned and used for greater purposes than to inform people. How can a christian bibletard hate so much? How is it possible? You have it in your heart and thats it, either you are an understanding peacefull compassionated person or you are full of hate..even reading a bible! Many many people her on glp has been over there and all they do is hate..Amazing..
Sure OP´s experience is not the usual case here, still i believe you have to have it in your heart first, then comes some sort of understanding and you can look and analyze the situation from a broader perspective. I dont ask for understanding or compassion with a murderer, but i know murdererrs comes from all kinds of religions and beliefs so i dont judge a single religion or a cultural group.
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I agree with everything you said except for the about about the majority of non-secular Muslims being violent extremists. That is a very small percentage of the Muslim population. There are millions of non-secular Muslims in America that are peace loving people.

No, I am not Muslim but the number of Muslim extremists is greatly over-exaggerated. The whole heart eating thing is nothing more than Western propoganda.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. ~Abraham Lincoln
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Great explanation OP!

bump cause i want to see what that asshole/racist BRIEF has to say about this one...
 Quoting: Fukunova


Brief is cool in my book. He maybe strong with words but he speak from the heart and may agree with my analysis and explanation. My comprehension and understanding of this uprisings in the Middle East is from lifes experiences.

Peace and God Bless You!
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Haha..do NOT agree on that one Op..Brief is cool? I think he is playing a role here...he really knows how to kill a thrad and make people hate him..i just laugh at him. (i learned thats best for all) lol.
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I have never had a problem with him or chatted with him so I really can't judge him. I try not to judge people personally. However, I question there ideas, thoughts, comments motives etc... No disrespect to you, but I just can't judge a person I don't know and I haven' been on GLP long enough to say I do know anyone. I just try to be respectful unless of course I believe something is inherently evil or wrong and I oppose and try to logically conclude how a person came to think or comment on a certain subject. My Apologies if I offended anyone. Peace and God Bless!

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op is a shill
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op is a shill
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I am the last person you can accuse of being a shill my friend. May god Bless You and Your Family. Peace and good health to you. My testimony to human endurance has been proven on and off the battle field and my faith, honor, and integrity can never be compromised and will go with me to the grave.

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